This is the same issue I'm currently struggling with - it applies not just in art, but in science.
Science is perhaps the ultimate situation where folks should be "sharing alike," and yet so often things get classed as "pooperty" and buried.
I want to see my work (writing, art, research, whatever) shared and used by others in applications both commercial and non-commercial. What I'm afraid of is an individual or organization using copyright or patent on a derivative of my work to turn around and lock everybody else (including myself) back out.
Perhaps not such a big deal with something like writing, but in science I could see a biotech company doing exactly this.
That truth is why Lego has nothing to worry about. People know that they are getting a quality product when they buy a real Lego set, and the company has some serious brand loyalty.
The fact that despite their advantages, Lego doesn't think it can compete in the marketplace is frustrating.
How does this affect quoting with attribution? It's nice to see you doing something like this, but a big part of blogging is about selective commentary, not wholesale republishing.
How about this one? The people who reap the most financial benefits from laws and from lobbying the government are in a bracket where their tax contribution is felt the least. There's your entitlement mentality, that even though the government either directly or indirectly enabled you to get rich, you shouldn't have to contribute much (if at all) to maintain the system.
The people who actually do work get to pay both the government and the rich, yet when they engage in constructive social behaviors like sharing (be it lemonade or information) they are ridiculed by those same people for their entitlement mentality.
Disrespectful, maybe, but in no way immoral. Using somebody's work without asking may annoy them, but it doesn't hurt them. What's immoral is holding culture captive and trying to control how people interact with it.
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they do contribute greatly to the public good.
I have yet to see empirical evidence of this, the prime example being all content created pre-copyright. I would even go as far as to say that there is not a single thing that we have seen since the Statute of Anne that was so incentivised by copyright that it would not have happened without it.
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Okay, "worse than copyright" might be a little strong.
I've struggled with this issue myself, and it's seeming the best way to indicate a free license is no license at all. I assume you've read the text of some of the free CC licenses where they attempt to disavow fundamental things like authorship - there's no way I'd want to attach things to that.
TechDirt seems to do okay with nothing at all. I'm thinking I might just do that, maybe adding something like "If you do something with it, I'd love to know." I imagine the situation might be a little different for you in the film world, though.
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I think you're still limiting yourself to the idea of producing albums as the end-all, be-all of music. It's only a very small part of what a band provides to others. If your goal is raise $2000 to produce an album, fine. But for most people, ending there is foolish. Once those (quality) tracks are shared worldwide, there will be people who want to hear them performed, want the band's attention, etc.
I suppose for some people, producing an album is an end in itself. But I think that's a footnote for most musicians - certainly the ones able to make it a career going forward.
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I know what I can and can't do with that work.
That's the problem. The originator of the work has no ability to enforce those restrictions, doesn't have to right to, and shouldn't. The idea that you can mark out a line on the sand and say, "This is allowed, this is not" is incorrect.
And that doesn't even get into the ambiguity over what constitutes noncommercial use.
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An attribution and non commercial use clause is better than no permission to do anything, which copyright allows for.
But only marginally so, at least in my opinion. I think that the biggest issue we're facing today is the mistaken idea that copyright is somehow about artist control (just see TP's numerous posts).
CC reinforces this false notion - it's basically the same copyright the maximalists want, only with permissions "pre-approved." It doesn't address the core of the issue, which is the idea that permission must be sought in the first place.
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That means they are looking to fund the creation of their projects, but not using Kickstarter as the source of their living expenses. So we may start thinking of these things as project-by-project rather than as careers.
That's because of the role shift in things like recordings. A career band is going to be making their living money on all those other "reasons to buy." Rather than using that directly to fund creating another album, they can let their fans collectively buy the album not just for themselves, but for the world.
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Maybe "Free Culture?"
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Science is perhaps the ultimate situation where folks should be "sharing alike," and yet so often things get classed as "pooperty" and buried.
I want to see my work (writing, art, research, whatever) shared and used by others in applications both commercial and non-commercial. What I'm afraid of is an individual or organization using copyright or patent on a derivative of my work to turn around and lock everybody else (including myself) back out.
Perhaps not such a big deal with something like writing, but in science I could see a biotech company doing exactly this.
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The fact that despite their advantages, Lego doesn't think it can compete in the marketplace is frustrating.
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The people who actually do work get to pay both the government and the rich, yet when they engage in constructive social behaviors like sharing (be it lemonade or information) they are ridiculed by those same people for their entitlement mentality.
Ridiculous.
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I have yet to see empirical evidence of this, the prime example being all content created pre-copyright. I would even go as far as to say that there is not a single thing that we have seen since the Statute of Anne that was so incentivised by copyright that it would not have happened without it.
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I've struggled with this issue myself, and it's seeming the best way to indicate a free license is no license at all. I assume you've read the text of some of the free CC licenses where they attempt to disavow fundamental things like authorship - there's no way I'd want to attach things to that.
TechDirt seems to do okay with nothing at all. I'm thinking I might just do that, maybe adding something like "If you do something with it, I'd love to know." I imagine the situation might be a little different for you in the film world, though.
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I suppose for some people, producing an album is an end in itself. But I think that's a footnote for most musicians - certainly the ones able to make it a career going forward.
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That's the problem. The originator of the work has no ability to enforce those restrictions, doesn't have to right to, and shouldn't. The idea that you can mark out a line on the sand and say, "This is allowed, this is not" is incorrect.
And that doesn't even get into the ambiguity over what constitutes noncommercial use.
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But only marginally so, at least in my opinion. I think that the biggest issue we're facing today is the mistaken idea that copyright is somehow about artist control (just see TP's numerous posts).
CC reinforces this false notion - it's basically the same copyright the maximalists want, only with permissions "pre-approved." It doesn't address the core of the issue, which is the idea that permission must be sought in the first place.
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That's because of the role shift in things like recordings. A career band is going to be making their living money on all those other "reasons to buy." Rather than using that directly to fund creating another album, they can let their fans collectively buy the album not just for themselves, but for the world.
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