I meant to type up a follow up post for you regarding 30 Seconds to Mars, who you've talked about before. ( http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080820/0204472040.shtml ) I never got around to the full post, but here's the main points I wanted to bring up.
For their album This is War (the first one after getting out of their contract with a massive lawsuit), the band included hundreds (or thousands?) of fans in the process. They hosted a "Summit" in LA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_War#The_Summit ) and part of that event was recording vocals with their biggest fans as a choir, which is featured heavily throughout the album. You can hear the most prominent example in Vox Populi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iJ9ICrdaY
In addition to being a cool experience for the fans, it actually sounds fantastic, and builds a great feeling while listening to the album.
Additionally, the album was sold in stores with 2000 different covers, each featuring the face of a fan who submitted a photo to them. Several celebrities (of varying degrees of fame) also participated and were featured, such as Conan O'Brien and a DJ from my local rock radio station, Bookie from 102.1 The Edge.
Sure, the internet has caused some pain for some limited parts of the music industry. A few small segments of the industry will be destroyed.
But, there's a bright side, too. The atomic bomb helped bring the end of World War 2. The world was able to return to a state of relative peace. Similarly, the internet will bring about a new era of peace within the music industry once the death throes of the former giants fades away to a dull moan.
The technology of the atomic bomb brought us nuclear power - the cleanest and most sustainable way we currently have to satisfy our growing energy demand.
The internet will bring cleaner and more efficient operations for music businesses. Artists can market themselves and communicate to fans directly, world wide, without the need for middlemen. Businesses like Amazon can sell music (physical goods!) to customers around the world from a virtually unlimited catalog. The availability of storage allows for near perfect archiving of nearly all music ever created, fully available and searchable by anyone in any language.
You're right: the internet is the atomic bomb for music. It has already dropped, and the worst is behind us. The future is looking very bright.
I'd heard of Grooveshark before, but never bothered trying it.
Now that the legacy giants are suing, it's safe to assume the service is actually provide some interesting value or otherwise doing something very right.
First, I'm pretty sure Wikileaks server are designed to be highly resilient in the face of national censorship, so I doubt that any attempt to suppress it would have much success.
Second, even if it did, I understand that the enter collection of leaked documents was already published as an encrypted archive. It's an insurance policy in case that site _does_ somehow suffer and go offline. The password can be easily published to open up the rest of the documents.
If somebody is paying for an Adult Services post, that's a good way to start trying to track them down.
However, I doubt "this guy" just plain used his personal credit card. He probably distributed it over several (likely stolen) cards, making it less obvious than you suggest. It takes more work than you think to link together information like that.
This is why Law Enforcement needs to work with CL to identify these posts as much as possible and track them down. That is, the POLICE should identify suspicious posts and INQUIRE with CL. CL should not have to sift through everything - its unreasonable and burdensome to expect them to.
Blaming craigslist is wrong and useless. If they are found guilty, and decide to block Adult ads, those ads don't just disappear altogether - they move somewhere else. And that somewhere else will actually be several individual places, each of which will almost certainly be less inclined to help police than CL.
And the whole thing about starting a conversation to see if it's okay to start a conversation doesn't make any sense. I mean if your busy and you get a phone call just say 'sorry but I can't talk right now but I'll try to call you back later.' how are they supposed to know that you were busy?
I think you might have missed the point. We're trying to solve that problem, where the other party "doesn't know if I am busy."
If somebody wants to talk, I prefer to get an email or text message saying "Please call when you have a chance."
This is a much more reasonable request than the RING RING TALK NOW that calling implies.
GGP: "actually, they often do end up owning the ip."
MM: "I've never seen that happen. Can you point to an example?"
Jay: "TBH, it's very few and far between. It's only the best of the best that end up owning their ip back.
Of those people, the only ones I can think of off the top of my head is Sir Mick Jagger or The Beatles."
The OP and Mike were referring to VCs taking ownership of start-up IP, not bands getting their copyrights back.
Just wanted to clarify what seemed to be a confused reply.
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ffffforrrRRRRRRUM!!!...
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Very cool
Neat, I liked it.
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I really liked the sound of the whole album, so I bought the double LP realese (which kindly also included the CD).
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30 Seconds to Mars - This is War
For their album This is War (the first one after getting out of their contract with a massive lawsuit), the band included hundreds (or thousands?) of fans in the process. They hosted a "Summit" in LA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_War#The_Summit ) and part of that event was recording vocals with their biggest fans as a choir, which is featured heavily throughout the album. You can hear the most prominent example in Vox Populi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iJ9ICrdaY
In addition to being a cool experience for the fans, it actually sounds fantastic, and builds a great feeling while listening to the album.
Additionally, the album was sold in stores with 2000 different covers, each featuring the face of a fan who submitted a photo to them. Several celebrities (of varying degrees of fame) also participated and were featured, such as Conan O'Brien and a DJ from my local rock radio station, Bookie from 102.1 The Edge.
You can see the "main" cover, a ton of the different individual liners here:
Main - http://img.noiset.com/images/album/30-seconds-to-mars-this-is-war-cd-cover-45363.jpeg
Indiv. - http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZyL8neQ0mPg/Sx-BagiHgII/AAAAAAAAMBo/hH_B1KSegpA/s640/30.jpg
Seems like they figured out a damned good way to get their fans interested in buying.
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I've always thought this expressed the point best:
http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg
The bottom flowchart needs to start looking more like the top flowchart.
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I accept and extend his analogy.
I like this analogy, it works.
Sure, the internet has caused some pain for some limited parts of the music industry. A few small segments of the industry will be destroyed.
But, there's a bright side, too. The atomic bomb helped bring the end of World War 2. The world was able to return to a state of relative peace. Similarly, the internet will bring about a new era of peace within the music industry once the death throes of the former giants fades away to a dull moan.
The technology of the atomic bomb brought us nuclear power - the cleanest and most sustainable way we currently have to satisfy our growing energy demand.
The internet will bring cleaner and more efficient operations for music businesses. Artists can market themselves and communicate to fans directly, world wide, without the need for middlemen. Businesses like Amazon can sell music (physical goods!) to customers around the world from a virtually unlimited catalog. The availability of storage allows for near perfect archiving of nearly all music ever created, fully available and searchable by anyone in any language.
You're right: the internet is the atomic bomb for music. It has already dropped, and the worst is behind us. The future is looking very bright.
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Thanks for the headsup.
Now that the legacy giants are suing, it's safe to assume the service is actually provide some interesting value or otherwise doing something very right.
Thanks RIAA!
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Do we get a response?
It's much easier to fight against an imaginary monster.
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Redundancy and Deadman Switch
Second, even if it did, I understand that the enter collection of leaked documents was already published as an encrypted archive. It's an insurance policy in case that site _does_ somehow suffer and go offline. The password can be easily published to open up the rest of the documents.
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Up to date!
Posting because I've _finally_ caught up in my techdirt reading. I've been perpetually ~ 2weeks behind for nealy two months.
Starting Monday, my news commentary will be about stuff that's still news, yay!
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However, I doubt "this guy" just plain used his personal credit card. He probably distributed it over several (likely stolen) cards, making it less obvious than you suggest. It takes more work than you think to link together information like that.
This is why Law Enforcement needs to work with CL to identify these posts as much as possible and track them down. That is, the POLICE should identify suspicious posts and INQUIRE with CL. CL should not have to sift through everything - its unreasonable and burdensome to expect them to.
Blaming craigslist is wrong and useless. If they are found guilty, and decide to block Adult ads, those ads don't just disappear altogether - they move somewhere else. And that somewhere else will actually be several individual places, each of which will almost certainly be less inclined to help police than CL.
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I think you might have missed the point. We're trying to solve that problem, where the other party "doesn't know if I am busy."
If somebody wants to talk, I prefer to get an email or text message saying "Please call when you have a chance." This is a much more reasonable request than the RING RING TALK NOW that calling implies.
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Democracy ain't what it used to be. Or maybe it's exactly the same.
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Awesome
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