"One thing that I hope Mike will recognize in these "Hollywood Accounting" stories is that box offices revenues are *not* revenues actually recognized by studios. Generally, 50% or more of those astronomical box office figures go directly to the exhibitors (i.e., the theater owners). Thus, while box office revenues are referenced by studios for purposes of calculating certain percentages owed to participants, it is important to realize that the studio isn't splitting up the box office revenues... it's likely splitting up less than 50% of that amount. I'm not sure that this is distinction is made clear to readers in this article."
That percentage is dependent upon the studio and the theater bidding for the movie. A contributor at joblo.com laid out two articles regarding that here - http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96049 (funnily enough the other one was the one you posted a link to). The first details a story with Sony asking 80% of ticket revenues for Godzilla when it first came out in theaters.
">> Amanda Palmer ...
Mike, do you sleep with her or something? Please find another example, this one is overused.
>> ... through things like crowdfunding
Like I say before, option c) is begging. I'm glad it's working for Amanda."
There ya go buddy. I personally know these guys and they were able to sell themselves with kickstarter through various venues they play at throughout Colorado.
Also, you can't coax someone into investing by "begging", but you can definitely interpret it that way if you're ignorant.
The whole the "DVD is dying" argument just seems really empty to me. If Hollywood had been smart, they'd have seen the patterns of innovation that came with the internet and prepared themselves (Steve Jobs saw it, and knew Apple was going to take a loss), but as always they chose to focus on the short term and now they sit and bitch about a niche market that's no longer relevant.
"Sorry, Mike: you won't be proven wrong. Even if UMG wins, the payout is so insignificant, those who abuse the system will still do it."
This reminds me of the documentary "Doctored" where they interviewed someone from the AMA who said that the millions of dollars they lose to medical lawsuits each year is a drop in the bucket.
"This doesn't mean there's a particular reason to suggest "copyright enforcement" is needed or useful, but contrary to this article it also doesn't mean there's a particular reason to suggest such enforcement is specifically detrimental or useless"
It's a push and shove situation in that for the past decade, the labels have pushed for specific types of enforcement whether they be DRM, SOPA/PIPA, etc. and in turn, the pirates shove back i.e. Pirate Bay switching to cloud computing, testing drones that emit wifi signals in random places, etc.
The labels approach to enforcement had had over a decade of experiences that prove it's methods are not working particularly well. For example, a lot of the lawsuits against copyright infringers end up costing the RIAA more than they actually get from the people they sue (apparently dead people can't pay out).
The solution outlined in this article points specifically to the label execs using this data as a way to possibly benefit monetarily instead of continuing to increase enforcement.
This is pretty useful analytical data if the labels and Hollywood ever wanted to target a profitable market.
I wonder what the operational costs of a torrent distribution structure would cost them? If they cut out digital distribution retailers, they could keep that typical 30% cut that Apple and Spotify take.
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I agree, I think common sense is the wise choice especially when it comes to how you deal with your consumers.
Ironically, they're reflecting the same attitude the labels have towards their consumers, which is assuming some of them are criminals without any real evidence.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What I want to know is where are the artists that do support the MPAA and RIAA?
Hey man, I know a guy who says he was the drummer for Social Distortion, but beyond that, he's actually never provided evidence of that claim, so an "A" for effort on your part.
Anyway, even if you are correct this place - http://www.surfbouncer.com/personal_vpn_faq.htm - says that the process requires "...a lot of money and resources," which I doubt any of the major ISPs would expend to actually catch pirates, besides media content isn't their business.
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Re: Box Office Revenues
That percentage is dependent upon the studio and the theater bidding for the movie. A contributor at joblo.com laid out two articles regarding that here - http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96049 (funnily enough the other one was the one you posted a link to). The first details a story with Sony asking 80% of ticket revenues for Godzilla when it first came out in theaters.
Also according to this - http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/movie-distribution1.htm - movie studios can lessen the impact of a movie's expenses by partnering with other studios.
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Re: While they're at it...
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Re: Re: Re: Let's not "push it"
Mike, do you sleep with her or something? Please find another example, this one is overused.
>> ... through things like crowdfunding
Like I say before, option c) is begging. I'm glad it's working for Amanda."
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/beatsnoir/beats-noir-we-are-finishing-our-second-alb um
There ya go buddy. I personally know these guys and they were able to sell themselves with kickstarter through various venues they play at throughout Colorado.
Also, you can't coax someone into investing by "begging", but you can definitely interpret it that way if you're ignorant.
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This reminds me of the documentary "Doctored" where they interviewed someone from the AMA who said that the millions of dollars they lose to medical lawsuits each year is a drop in the bucket.
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Re: Re: Prediction
It's a push and shove situation in that for the past decade, the labels have pushed for specific types of enforcement whether they be DRM, SOPA/PIPA, etc. and in turn, the pirates shove back i.e. Pirate Bay switching to cloud computing, testing drones that emit wifi signals in random places, etc.
The labels approach to enforcement had had over a decade of experiences that prove it's methods are not working particularly well. For example, a lot of the lawsuits against copyright infringers end up costing the RIAA more than they actually get from the people they sue (apparently dead people can't pay out).
The solution outlined in this article points specifically to the label execs using this data as a way to possibly benefit monetarily instead of continuing to increase enforcement.
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Re: Re: Prediction
One of the reasons Pirate Bay moved to the Cloud, which now hampers enforcement against them, was because of enforcement.
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-moves-to-the-cloud-becomes-raid-proof-121017/
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I wonder what the operational costs of a torrent distribution structure would cost them? If they cut out digital distribution retailers, they could keep that typical 30% cut that Apple and Spotify take.
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Re: "I could set up a server in my garage and compete globally with Google!
OMG, does that mean you're going to reply?
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Hopefully, I'll be wasted by evening time.
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It seems to be a nuance of the anti-techdirt troll's argument that the minority (actors,studios,etc.) come before the majority (public).
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Plus it had Hyde from That 70s Show in it, who could hate?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"
Ironically, they're reflecting the same attitude the labels have towards their consumers, which is assuming some of them are criminals without any real evidence.
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Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"
Frankly, it's copyright holder's fanatical crusade that's created that fear.
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Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"
This is specifically referring to the abuse of the DMCA system and one company's overreaction to it, not copyright.
Stop generalizing the issue at hand.
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Except Average Joe, he actually does his research,.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What I want to know is where are the artists that do support the MPAA and RIAA?
Anyway, even if you are correct this place - http://www.surfbouncer.com/personal_vpn_faq.htm - says that the process requires "...a lot of money and resources," which I doubt any of the major ISPs would expend to actually catch pirates, besides media content isn't their business.
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