"My feeling is that piracy goes from it's probably 40% of the marketplace down to something like 20%, and that a good chunk of those people who get out of piracy end up using one or more "legal" services to fill the void, and fix many of the issues."
I agree with you here. There will be a significant reduction in traceable piracy. But I disagree with your "end up using more "legal" services to fill the void" I'm thinking, they find other free services to fill the void until the next Napster or Torrent like alternative comes out. You can bet your ass there are plenty of people working on this very thing even now. Besides, what "legal" services are out there for them to use? Most of the good ones have been destroyed piece by piece.
"Right now, the soft middle leans towards piracy because they can, because it's easy, it works, it's easy to find stuff, it's easy to download it, it's all automated and simple - and the risks are negligible. "
Agreed 100%. But your only going to slow them down until the next "easy to use software that routes around the current laws and blocks" comes out. This law is not fulfilling their need to consume, and neither is your current distribution system. People will buy your products, hell most people WANT to buy even though they can pirate, but your going to have to create some good alternatives that allow them to consume your product how they want to consume it, and at a market price.. not at a monopoly price.
I also see you don't voice any concerns regarding collateral damage. This bill is taking a "nuke the ant hill" approach to pest control. Your going to be taking out quite a few friendlies with this one, I think the pirate culture is going to build on that one and although you will see a short term gain, your going to get hammered in the end.
I'm starting to think the idiot gatekeepers and politicians are doing exactly what your hardcore hackers/pirates want them/expect them to do. It's all about control right? What happens when DNS goes P2P or something like P2P? Where would we be if napster was set up that way? I'm thinking this may not be a bad thing this SOPA.... This isn't damage, this is a fucking train wreck, but this could blossom into new technologies that prevent this very thing... we could be watching the evolution of the internet into a completely user owned/controlled thing..... I can almost see the script kiddies hard at work, like so many elves at Xmas, hoping to be the first to create the next "stick it to the man" app that routes around this... exciting no?
I'm betting these idiots are signaling the beginning of a new era by trying to destroy the current one.. but think about it... hasn't this always been the way?
"A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries; a world where anything is possible."
Careful what you wish for gatekeepers, this could actually turn out to be a FTW for the pirates.
"It's an adversarial relationship because you guys changed, you want more, you want it now, and you are willing to (steal, take, borrow, pilfer, procure, replicate, duplicate, pirate... pick your word) to get it."
I'm sorry we don't fit into your "customer" mold Mr. Big Media. We have changed, this is true, but it's not our fault you can't figure out how to change with us. Unfortunately, your not going to be able to un-change us by making us criminals, or limiting the value of your content by putting easily circumvented restrictions on them... it's a tough world buddy.... I do feel sorry for you... here's a tissue....
Now when your done crying, and scolding your customer for allowing technology to change their consumption habits, I would like to point out that you have a wonderful opertunity in front of you. You have a door into the vast majority of your customer base called the "Internet". You have two choices with this door. You can exploit this opening into your customers house by servicing his media desires in such a way as to make yourself invaluable. Or you can continue down your current path of douchebaggary and self pity while your customers build a culture around hating your fucking guts. Either way, I think change is on the horizon for both of us. Exciting time isn't it?
This bill is not about, nor was it ever about, piracy. It is a giant hammer that is going to be used to pound out the legitimate competition. The pirates are not following the law now,creating more laws is not going to impact them one bit.
A common argument of the shills is that they are going to make it much harder for the masses to "pirate", that they hardcore guys won't be impacted, but the "masses" will step back into line. Historically speaking, has this ever worked for any industry? Ever?
Most people I know listen to YouTube, Pandora, or other free legal services for music. They don't need to pirate because what they want is already free. Why break the law if you can get it legally for free? So what happens when the AA's use this new hammer to destroy the above mentioned free services? People go right back to pirating, that's what... but they already know that I'm sure.
"Second, the issue of piracy today isn't the determined few, it's the masses with easy access."
The problem isn't the masses with easy access, the problem is you.
You think throwing up a wall around digital content is both possible, and the future. You insist on degrading the value of media with DRM in order to protect it's non-existent value. You think that legislating/lobbying your customers into being criminals is how you protect your legacy business models.
I suggest you pull your head out of your ass. These masses you speak of are your customers, and they fucking hate you. You have bigger problems that file sharing Mr. Media. File sharing is just a symptom of a much bigger problem, that problem is you.
I think perhaps I have made an assumption that has spawned some confusion, my apologies if this is the case.
I assumed that because Time has published around 50 of his articles, they were aligned with his views. This prompted me to point out that a major media company, whom this bill was designed to protect, was concerned that it was more damaging than helpful. This is an assumption any reasonable person would make no? Or do I need to stand in the corner?
"See AJ's comment (#1 at the top) as to the type of confusion Mike is trying to create."
I'm not confused. Since Time has published around 50 of his articles, I assumed they were aligned with his views. Would not any reasonable person make that assumption, or am I way off base here?
"As AAA publishers shift to a community focused marketing strategy, they will be able to focus more on the games themselves."
Very true. Look at Valve's Counterstrike product. Originally released 1999, and still carries an almost cult like following 12 years later. Hell, Counter Strike source is still in the top 20 bought games on steam. Hell, they are about to release a new counterstrike in 2012.
When you buy these games, you buy so much more than just a game. You buy an entire community/mini culture. Clans, leagues, guilds, pubs, dedicated servers.. you have all these people wrapped around giving your product more value, and they are paying you to do it. People are willing to part with their cash for that type of experience.
You want to make a great game? Figure out what the people that make great games are doing, and do that.... If you make a great game, you won't need a whole lot of marketing, people will take care of that for you!
"Since you are so wise, can you explain why the sales of recorded music are down more than 50%, yet the consumption of the same recorded music is at an all time high?"
I know this questions was intended for Mike, but if you don't mind, I'll answer this one...
Because of all the free services that are available right now! You don't have to be a pirate to get free music, hell, it's easier to NOT download the music as that takes up space.. you can let someone else store it and just stream what you want...
This should be interesting, in a slow motion train wreck sort of way. Here we have arguably the leading most authority on DNS (or the one in charge of these leading authorities anyway) telling congress they are about to commit online suicide on one side, and the industries trying to protect their legacy business models on the other.
The funny thing is, these guys are not mutually dependent. The AA's need DNS, DNS could care less about the AA's. So in true legacy-protect the middle man fashion, they are using politicians to force DNS to their will instead of adapting... As usual, this is going to backfire, and in a big way! When people starting routing around the damage, instead of having one big mole to whack, your going to have millions. They better start buying hammers! lol
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"My feeling is that piracy goes from it's probably 40% of the marketplace down to something like 20%, and that a good chunk of those people who get out of piracy end up using one or more "legal" services to fill the void, and fix many of the issues."
I agree with you here. There will be a significant reduction in traceable piracy. But I disagree with your "end up using more "legal" services to fill the void" I'm thinking, they find other free services to fill the void until the next Napster or Torrent like alternative comes out. You can bet your ass there are plenty of people working on this very thing even now. Besides, what "legal" services are out there for them to use? Most of the good ones have been destroyed piece by piece.
"Right now, the soft middle leans towards piracy because they can, because it's easy, it works, it's easy to find stuff, it's easy to download it, it's all automated and simple - and the risks are negligible. "
Agreed 100%. But your only going to slow them down until the next "easy to use software that routes around the current laws and blocks" comes out. This law is not fulfilling their need to consume, and neither is your current distribution system. People will buy your products, hell most people WANT to buy even though they can pirate, but your going to have to create some good alternatives that allow them to consume your product how they want to consume it, and at a market price.. not at a monopoly price.
I also see you don't voice any concerns regarding collateral damage. This bill is taking a "nuke the ant hill" approach to pest control. Your going to be taking out quite a few friendlies with this one, I think the pirate culture is going to build on that one and although you will see a short term gain, your going to get hammered in the end.
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FTW!
I'm betting these idiots are signaling the beginning of a new era by trying to destroy the current one.. but think about it... hasn't this always been the way?
"A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries; a world where anything is possible."
Careful what you wish for gatekeepers, this could actually turn out to be a FTW for the pirates.
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+5 internets to you!
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I'm sorry we don't fit into your "customer" mold Mr. Big Media. We have changed, this is true, but it's not our fault you can't figure out how to change with us. Unfortunately, your not going to be able to un-change us by making us criminals, or limiting the value of your content by putting easily circumvented restrictions on them... it's a tough world buddy.... I do feel sorry for you... here's a tissue....
Now when your done crying, and scolding your customer for allowing technology to change their consumption habits, I would like to point out that you have a wonderful opertunity in front of you. You have a door into the vast majority of your customer base called the "Internet". You have two choices with this door. You can exploit this opening into your customers house by servicing his media desires in such a way as to make yourself invaluable. Or you can continue down your current path of douchebaggary and self pity while your customers build a culture around hating your fucking guts. Either way, I think change is on the horizon for both of us. Exciting time isn't it?
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A common argument of the shills is that they are going to make it much harder for the masses to "pirate", that they hardcore guys won't be impacted, but the "masses" will step back into line. Historically speaking, has this ever worked for any industry? Ever?
Most people I know listen to YouTube, Pandora, or other free legal services for music. They don't need to pirate because what they want is already free. Why break the law if you can get it legally for free? So what happens when the AA's use this new hammer to destroy the above mentioned free services? People go right back to pirating, that's what... but they already know that I'm sure.
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Bah.. brain outran fingers... should read..degrading the usefulness of media....
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The problem isn't the masses with easy access, the problem is you.
You think throwing up a wall around digital content is both possible, and the future. You insist on degrading the value of media with DRM in order to protect it's non-existent value. You think that legislating/lobbying your customers into being criminals is how you protect your legacy business models.
I suggest you pull your head out of your ass. These masses you speak of are your customers, and they fucking hate you. You have bigger problems that file sharing Mr. Media. File sharing is just a symptom of a much bigger problem, that problem is you.
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I certainly do not!
I think perhaps I have made an assumption that has spawned some confusion, my apologies if this is the case.
I assumed that because Time has published around 50 of his articles, they were aligned with his views. This prompted me to point out that a major media company, whom this bill was designed to protect, was concerned that it was more damaging than helpful. This is an assumption any reasonable person would make no? Or do I need to stand in the corner?
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I'm not confused. Since Time has published around 50 of his articles, I assumed they were aligned with his views. Would not any reasonable person make that assumption, or am I way off base here?
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If the people this bill is designed to protect, think the bill is worse than the problem, I think it's safe to say it's not a good idea...
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Very true. Look at Valve's Counterstrike product. Originally released 1999, and still carries an almost cult like following 12 years later. Hell, Counter Strike source is still in the top 20 bought games on steam. Hell, they are about to release a new counterstrike in 2012.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/1800
When you buy these games, you buy so much more than just a game. You buy an entire community/mini culture. Clans, leagues, guilds, pubs, dedicated servers.. you have all these people wrapped around giving your product more value, and they are paying you to do it. People are willing to part with their cash for that type of experience.
You want to make a great game? Figure out what the people that make great games are doing, and do that.... If you make a great game, you won't need a whole lot of marketing, people will take care of that for you!
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I know this questions was intended for Mike, but if you don't mind, I'll answer this one...
Because of all the free services that are available right now! You don't have to be a pirate to get free music, hell, it's easier to NOT download the music as that takes up space.. you can let someone else store it and just stream what you want...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/187911/the_best_free_music_apps_for_your_smartphone.html
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The funny thing is, these guys are not mutually dependent. The AA's need DNS, DNS could care less about the AA's. So in true legacy-protect the middle man fashion, they are using politicians to force DNS to their will instead of adapting... As usual, this is going to backfire, and in a big way! When people starting routing around the damage, instead of having one big mole to whack, your going to have millions. They better start buying hammers! lol
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The irony is strong with this one......
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