Time Magazine Says SOPA Is 'A Cure Worse Than The Disease'; Would Encourage Censorship
from the mainstream-press dept
It appears that more people in the mainstream press are beginning to recognize just how horrible the SOPA/E-PARASITE bill is when you look at the details. Over at Time Magazine's Techland blog, there's a post by Jerry Brito, saying that it's a "cure" that is "worse than the disease." The post notes that it won't do much to actually stop infringement, beyond at the margin, but the costs of doing so are quite a lot -- especially as the State Department is trying to convince others around the globe not to regulate the internet:At a moment when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is urging world governments to keep their hands off the Internet, creating a blacklist would send the wrong message. And not just to China or Iran, which already engage in DNS filtering, but to liberal democracies that might want to block information they find naughty. Imagine if the U.K. created a blacklist of American newspapers that its courts found violated celebrities' privacy? Or what if France blocked American sites it believed contained hate speech? We forget, but those countries don't have a First Amendment.It's good to see the mainstream press recognizing that this isn't just a fight about "foreign rogue sites" as the entertainment industry would have you believe -- but about massive regulation of the internet and free speech.
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If the people this bill is designed to protect, think the bill is worse than the problem, I think it's safe to say it's not a good idea...
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Masnick pretending that it's the stance of the actual magazine demonstrates how pathetic and desperate he is.
Man, Masnick must pirate a lot of movies and music...
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You compared it to Blogger. That is retarded.
You can prove me wrong though: go get a Time Magazine blog and come back with the link. It takes about ninety seconds to do that with Blogger - but I'll be generous and give you 24 hours. If this guy is just some idiot that the editorial board doesn't care about, a genius like you should be able to get on there in no time, right?
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If the people this bill is designed to protect, think the bill is worse than the problem, I think it's safe to say it's not a good idea...
Ignore Masnick's FUDline. This guy is a blogger and doesn't speak for Time's editorial board. What a joke!
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Times have an editorial management and they are agressive about it, nothing gets posted there that they don't like it, they even censor their forum comments.
So please go sodomize yourself.
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I wonder if Time Magazine would let him publish a pro-Nazi article. After all he doesn't speak for the company anyway, right?
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Time gave this guy op-ed space. He submits the op-ed, and generally a publication like this would check it for a few things:
Is the speech legal (ie, does it appear on the surface to be hate speech, racist, or insulting enough to any group that it might raise a lawsuit or legal issues), spell check it, perhaps even re-verify the quotes used in it, etc. Provided the piece passes those bars, most publications are pretty much hands off on op-ed pieces.
It's a grey area. They don't agree with the op-ed (and in fact the editorial board likely disagrees with many op-ed pieces they run), but they see the value in offering both sides of the story, opinions from all sides, as opposed to just piping in their own pre-set views.
So to answer you question, Time wouldn't let him run a pro-nazi op-ed because it wouldn't get past the legal aspects, and likely would not be able to be run without threat of lawsuit or legal action. It is not a question of agreeing or disagreeing with the content, rather it is purely a choice of avoiding unwanted legal hassles.
As for "you ppl from the MAFIAA", I suggest that you put your slurs away and move on. I don't work for the MPAA, I don't think that AJ does either. Can you not accept that perhaps reasonable people can have reasonable opinions that don't agree with yours? Can you be so mature as to understand and accept that concept?
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Uh-huh. K. You realize the hipocracy in this sentence coming from an AC.
and this one "I suggest that you put your slurs away and move on."
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"Can you not accept that perhaps reasonable people can have reasonable opinions that don't agree with yours?"
So it's ok when it suits you to ignore your own advice.
Where have we seen that before?
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Nothing is 100% perfect, there are almost no perfect solutions.
Time magazine doesn't approve (on an editorial board or ownership board level) of every op-ed piece run. This isn't Fox news... ;)
Grey area... where something can happen without everyone having to say "I approve".
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Everybody everywhere except on your rainbow coloured world agrees is bad, it will do nothing to stop piracy but will put tremendous burdens on business and as cherry on the top it gives unlimited powers to known corrupt people to go after other business and shut them down or extort better deals.
Fuck you shill.
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If that is what you need to tell yourself to get through the day.
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op-ed in journalism is a reader submitted article, usually in response to an editorial or other article.
This is an article submitted by a Time contributor, not a reader.
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Which is exactly what Time's freetard blogger was doing.
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I certainly do not!
I think perhaps I have made an assumption that has spawned some confusion, my apologies if this is the case.
I assumed that because Time has published around 50 of his articles, they were aligned with his views. This prompted me to point out that a major media company, whom this bill was designed to protect, was concerned that it was more damaging than helpful. This is an assumption any reasonable person would make no? Or do I need to stand in the corner?
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So to answer you question, Time wouldn't let him run a pro-nazi op-ed because it wouldn't get past the legal aspects, and likely would not be able to be
run without threat of lawsuit or legal action.
You are full of bs. Nazi speech is protected by the First Amendment, and no there is no hate speech exception to free speech under US law.
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Not quite the same thing.
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I am just point out a fact: This isn't a Time Magazine staff editorial declaring their position, it's an op ed style piece, nothing more and nothing less. It's not a Time Magazine position.
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What's in a name?
How about the Washington Post? Washington is more a first name instead of an insult.
Oooh, Oooh, We should call him "Geeky Mike" because he's a self professed geek!
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Say Nay Jay?
Silent Jay (because you ain't bob)?
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Other than the ring of truth.
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But Time IS giving the opinion the oxygen of publicity - and that is significant.
One could also conclude that the opinion is at least not anathema to Time's offical position> It is something they're happy to propagate.
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"Time Magazine Says SOPA Is 'A Cure Worse Than The Disease';"
The title indicates that this is Time Magazine saying this, which technically is true only because it is in their magazine. But it would be like saying "Blogger.com says 'Hitler was a Jew!'" because someone put that in a blog on their site.
It's amazing to watch Mike go. He argues that individual items on a site are not collective (for purposes of bad mouthing SOPA), yet is more than willing to glob everything together and use it to imply the ownership has an opinion, which they have no expressed.
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Accusing others of infringement makes everyone responsible but when it is a big news outlet attacking your ridiculous position then suddenly it is one guy without the help of the news?
I see you are full of shit.
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Mike is the one claiming that individual pages on a website are not the site... and yet as soon as he sees an individual page on Time's website, suddenly it's Time itself making some sort of massive declaration.
I suggest you take your snide remarks, and aim them at Mike - he is the one playing both sides of the same argument, picking whichever side suits him on a given day.
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Can you not see that you are doing exactly what you claim Mike is doing, just from the other side of the fence?
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Not yours, not his own, not Mikes, not mine. Time magazine.
So, op-ed or not, they still published it. There's a hell of a lot of eyeballs going to that website. More than this one, more than yours, and more than mine. I bet more than any MAFIAA website could get, too.
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Oh and you can stick the stupif MAFIAA thing back in your bag... no need for pointless attacks. It's really takes away from your message.
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WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE SHILLS!!!!!
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That make those now? That explains a lot.
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Not everyone agrees with you. Rather than trying to portray them all as shills or idiots, why not take the time to consider the other side of the argument?
Your post makes me think that you are paid by Mike to protect his site. Or are you just a moron?
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Mike does not pay me, I just get tired of you AC Greedtards always trying to beat him down. So I do it to you.
I am not a moron... well maybe at times. At least I know who I am. I don't sell out my views for a pay cheque to go and abuse people on their sites to try and gain support for something that is not supported by most of the world.
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ok, practice what you preach
*waits*
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I'm not confused. Since Time has published around 50 of his articles, I assumed they were aligned with his views. Would not any reasonable person make that assumption, or am I way off base here?
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Are you deliberatrly being a double-standard ass, or are you merely too stupid to recognize the problem?
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Right. It's completely impossible to imagine that a news magazine just might find a law expressly designed to trample the First Amendment as a bad thing. It's not like news organizations depend on a freedom contained in it, right?
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Please explain how you came to the conclusion that this is an "op-ed"
op-ed in journalism is a reader submitted article, usually in response to an editorial or other article.
This is an article submitted by a Time contributor, not a reader.
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Time would never actually publish garbage like that.
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Copying someone else's creation is not an act of speech.
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Look at broadcasting monopolies and cableco monopolies? Originally, the FCC proclaimed that its government established broadcasting monopolies won't be used to stifle speech because the FCC will ensure a minimal amount of competition. Beyond the fact that this didn't really seem to ensure free speech, over the years the government started wrongfully requiring more and more licenses to communicate over public airwaves and they started wrongfully granting exclusive privileges to private corporations. Now we live in an era where private corporations wrongfully control most broadcasting spectra and the public can not use broadcasting spectra to communicate (beyond a very few designated frequencies with strict limitations, such as wifi) without going through a government established monopolist gatekeeper. Not only does the government wrongfully establish monopoly power over the communication channels (cableco infrastructure and broadcasting spectra), they even wrongfully establish monopoly power over the content distributed over those spectra (via copy protection laws). The government wrongfully establishes monopolies on both the communication channels and the content.
Despite how absurd and one sided our IP laws have gotten (ie: copy protection lengths, ridiculous patents, etc...) and despite the fact that the government wrongfully grants monopoly privileges over almost everything (ie: taxi cab monopolies among many many others) and despite how many of our rights have been wrongfully taken away from us solely to benefit private interests at public expense, the government established mainstream media abuses their monopoly privileges to censor IP and other such criticisms. Mike would likely never get the opportunity to criticize patents or copy protection laws on national television, yet the mainstream press is more than happy to broadcast and sponsor pro-IP propaganda. They know that, in the face of criticism, their position falls apart completely (yet Mike is more than happy to allow commenters on his blog, IP maximists simply can not defend their position).
The end result? Censorship. Even though this may not have been the alleged intent of these wrongful monopoly privileges, the laws are wrongfully being used to censor various positions.
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and the censorship is to the benefit of IP maximists. So IP maximists have no merit when they say, "this isn't about censorship". It is. It's about the government turning the Internet into what it wrongfully turned everything outside the Internet into, a censored platform where everything is sold at monopoly/cartel prices. The government did it to just about everything else, why should I believe that's not what it wants to do to the Internet as well?
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The right to free speech just doesn't include that sort of thing, sorry.
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Being someone that has done over 800 political YT videos, over three accounts, having 5k followers at one point, having most of them removed, and more muted, I will advise you, you are 100% incorrect in your assumption.
By your logic, watching a movie without any soundtrack will have the same impact?
All of what I did was fair use, and if I had unlimited funds, would have fought tooth and nail to have them reinstated. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKdnnLNCpic
Bells, hells bells, no music just the bells got this muted. I guess they think they own bells ringing.
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Not necessarily. Speech need not be an expression of your own opinions at all, particularly not overtly. Distributing statistics or facts is speech, even in the absence of opinion.
Also, it is completely possible to express your own opinion using someone else's creation. You can compile a list of famous quotations that collectively express a unified opinion. You can duplicate what someone else has done in a context that turns it into commentary without you adding a word, etc.
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... "The alternative is to leave the DNS alone and focus (as the bills also do) on going after the cash flow of rogue websites." ...
Does Jerry Brito not understand that this is also a tool for censorship.
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Now that it is Time magazine saying something they don't agree suddenly those idiots learn how to separate persons from companies?
The shills here are completely just full of it, they keep throwing everything in the wall to see what sticks.
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knock yourself out... PLEASE?
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For the purposes of this metaphor, "Wall" references SOPA and the assholes who support it and "Kill" references removal of rights (in some ways worse then death).
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There's a gap between even close to 100% perfect and 0.0001% perfect.
But the entertainment industry should be careful at what they are asking for - they might just get it.
News to the media companies - we can live without your media. DRM or no DRM, Paywalls or no Paywalls..
A bad deal, is a bad deal; even if it's the only one. Luckily for us the RIAA and MPAA doesn't regulate food, otherwise they would try to ban people from growing food.
Where does the entertainment industry think their new talent will come from? In the 'perfect' RIAA world, no one could EVER replay ANYTHING without a license. Then so many 'would-be' artists may well never foster an interest in music by playing other people's tunes to learn.
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Here's this guy's resume:
Jerry Brito
By day Jerry Brito researches tech policy and teaches law at George Mason University, and by night he develops web and iOS apps. In between he finds time to write for blogs and host a weekly tech and society podcast, Surprisingly Free.
Read more: http://techland.time.com/author/jerrybrito/#ixzz1dKRXwgYf
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Sounds like he is a lot more productive to society than you are. Why don't you go find a website where there is plenty of stupid people so you can post there and fit in? Your asinine posts here are just annoying and takes up room on the server.
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The author AGREES with the shill's positions, yet still wrote an article claiming that the 'cure is worse than the disease'.
I'm glad that one of the shills was kind enough to point this out (thinking it somehow discredits the point of the article, while actually enforcing it and making it stronger.... shill reading comprehension fail)
Got any more facts you think might help support your position shill?
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To stop burglars, I'll plate my entire house with 50mm titanium.
It's a solution, but because I want to go into and use my house, it's not the solution I'm going to go for.
Of course blocking entire domains that host sites that link to infringing material will stop that infringing material from being available, but I think there must be a less overkill way of doing that.
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"YouTube allows people to post content! They should be just as responsible as the uploader if it infringes!"
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"Time allows people to post content! They have nothing to do with what it says if it disagrees with the corporate stance!"
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