But too often deportation IS kidnapping. There may be a legal difference but forcibly removing someone from where they are, and where they are living a normal life, and imprisoning them, then taking them somewhere they don't want to be seems to fit the definition very well
From oxforddictionaries.com
kidnap verb [with object]
Abduct (someone) and hold them captive, typically to obtain a ransom. ‘militants kidnapped the daughter of a minister’
There is no ransom demanded, but there doesn't have to be to make a kidnap a kidnap.
And not constructing such a system could see Google banned from handling personal data anywhere outside the states and its satellite nations. For instance it is a very clear breach of EU law for Google to comply with this court order.
US courts have always had a tendency to regard the rest of the world as fair game, while regarding all actions on US soil as immune from any foreign action.
This is the sort of attitude that is common an acceptable in 5 year old children ...
How cold? The shop where you bought it has CCTV, their stock control system says when that serial number printer was sold, at which check-out etc. The till could well autocheck the notes aren't counterfeit a process that involves them reading the serial numbers. Where did you get those notes? ATM machines are also entirely capable of recording your face, your bank details and the serial numbers. Meta data is everywhere, most of it isn't collected, but I wouldn't like to bet how much of it actually is!
Just as a matter of accuracy, which makes no difference to the gist of the story of yet another group of idiot politicians making policy on subjects they are too ignorant to understand, but it was Labour's manifesto that leaked, the Tories published theirs normally (unless I missed something and I've been trying to miss most of it!)
Yes of course they are mobile devices and of course you can walk up to the outside of a prison and try to use your phone. If it doesn't work your phone is STILL a mobile device and you can walk a little way away.
I cannot see any pressing need for a phone to work while leaning on the walls of a prison.
Now if you want to argue that the legislation should include terms to ensure minimum possible interference with phone signals outside the prison I'll agree you may be onto something (although in UK legislation such things are usually not put in the primary bill they certainly can be).
I would assume that these devices would be deployed to cover main prison buildings, by and large governors are not worried about prisoners using cell phones near the prison wall because the prisoner could be seen there. There is likely o be some leakage but probably very small. There is also certain to be somewhere inside the prison where vanilla signals can be received, such is the nature of the beast. As I said I do not necessarily agree with this bill but I do not see it as a broad assault on the privacy of citizens. There are many places in the UK where mobile phones don't work, either because there is something that interferes with them or because there is a coverage shadow this doesn't seem to be any more onerous a problem than these.
You may perhaps be unaware that not all prisons are situated in the middle of suburban rows of houses, nor that in the uk with its high population density cell towers are generally of low power and thus limited range. No-one has said all prisons must adopt this strategy, nor did I say I agreed with it. Merely that it wasn't, per se, a direct assault on the freedoms of the general populace.
In most UK prisons (that is excluding the lowest category ones where prisoners are allowed out during the day) no-one is allowed a mobile phone. Not prisoners, prison officers, governors, visitors even lawyers. Any use of a mobile phone in a prison is unlawful so it isn't possible to spy n any innocent communications within the prison. That is not to say that a "fake" tower is a good idea or not, merely that if it is deployed as the law provides it cannot do as alleged in the article. The article reports that the law says the justice secretary can order the use to prevent detect or investigate phone use inside a prison, therefore anyone outside a prison caught up may well have a case against anyone interfering with their signal.
The silliness surely is not the granting of a trademark to Iceland, for a shop selling frozen foods, it is this crazy notion that a trademark for one thing should be a bar on the use of any vaguely similar terms for anything at all.
The rule should be:
A word that does not exist (eg Kodak) can be a generic trademark
A name can't stop anyone who has that name using their name, but combined with other features, fine (eg George Harrod should be able to open a shop called Harrod's but not to copy the font and make everything green and gold)
A common word you better have a bloody good case and apply it extremely narrowly.
If the courts had applied this sort of common sense then no case Iceland brought against any Icelandic company would have succeeded, merely against anyone setting up a Supermarket and labelling everything in red on a white background.
And massively smaller than my home city, but then so are all but 7 of the US states and over 100 countries.
Wales does contains 6 cities - Bangor, Cardiff, Newport, St Davids, St Asaph and Swansea - three of which are admittedly very small.
And it's not exactly legally a country I guess, being one of the "Home Nations" part of the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but yep it's a country :D
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From oxforddictionaries.com
kidnap
verb
[with object]
Abduct (someone) and hold them captive, typically to obtain a ransom.
‘militants kidnapped the daughter of a minister’
There is no ransom demanded, but there doesn't have to be to make a kidnap a kidnap.
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US courts have always had a tendency to regard the rest of the world as fair game, while regarding all actions on US soil as immune from any foreign action.
This is the sort of attitude that is common an acceptable in 5 year old children ...
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The shop where you bought it has CCTV, their stock control system says when that serial number printer was sold, at which check-out etc.
The till could well autocheck the notes aren't counterfeit a process that involves them reading the serial numbers. Where did you get those notes? ATM machines are also entirely capable of recording your face, your bank details and the serial numbers.
Meta data is everywhere, most of it isn't collected, but I wouldn't like to bet how much of it actually is!
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Not everything gets leaked ...
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He didn't mention whiskey drinkers!
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That would be in Ireland or the USA presumably, scotch is whisky!
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I cannot see any pressing need for a phone to work while leaning on the walls of a prison.
Now if you want to argue that the legislation should include terms to ensure minimum possible interference with phone signals outside the prison I'll agree you may be onto something (although in UK legislation such things are usually not put in the primary bill they certainly can be).
I would assume that these devices would be deployed to cover main prison buildings, by and large governors are not worried about prisoners using cell phones near the prison wall because the prisoner could be seen there. There is likely o be some leakage but probably very small. There is also certain to be somewhere inside the prison where vanilla signals can be received, such is the nature of the beast.
As I said I do not necessarily agree with this bill but I do not see it as a broad assault on the privacy of citizens. There are many places in the UK where mobile phones don't work, either because there is something that interferes with them or because there is a coverage shadow this doesn't seem to be any more onerous a problem than these.
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No-one has said all prisons must adopt this strategy, nor did I say I agreed with it. Merely that it wasn't, per se, a direct assault on the freedoms of the general populace.
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Not quite as it appears
That is not to say that a "fake" tower is a good idea or not, merely that if it is deployed as the law provides it cannot do as alleged in the article. The article reports that the law says the justice secretary can order the use to prevent detect or investigate phone use inside a prison, therefore anyone outside a prison caught up may well have a case against anyone interfering with their signal.
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The rule should be:
A word that does not exist (eg Kodak) can be a generic trademark
A name can't stop anyone who has that name using their name, but combined with other features, fine (eg George Harrod should be able to open a shop called Harrod's but not to copy the font and make everything green and gold)
A common word you better have a bloody good case and apply it extremely narrowly.
If the courts had applied this sort of common sense then no case Iceland brought against any Icelandic company would have succeeded, merely against anyone setting up a Supermarket and labelling everything in red on a white background.
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Wales does contains 6 cities - Bangor, Cardiff, Newport, St Davids, St Asaph and Swansea - three of which are admittedly very small.
And it's not exactly legally a country I guess, being one of the "Home Nations" part of the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but yep it's a country :D
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