Is it fraud and/or theft if an ATM spits out an extra $20 when you make a withdrawal? I see these scenarios being fairly similar.
On that matter, is it fraud if a bank teller accidentally gives you extra money? It's quite possible a person puts the money in his/her pocket either way, and doesn't realize the error until much later. Is s/he guilty of a crime then?
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Since when does US law apply to foreign countries?
I'm talking about foreigners in their native countries attacking people they see as invading their country. It's all perspective. To them, the US is the villain terrorizing their native land. The only ground we can stand on in saying how they should treat us/our people (military or otherwise) is by setting an example for what is acceptable.
If we torture anyone, we give up the ground to say that is unacceptable to do to us.
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First off, who says the tortured individuals were terrorists? Or are you using the reverse (fallacious) logic that if they were being tortured, they must've been terrorists?
Second, the US troops aren't terrorists *in our eyes*. Who's to say they (or the other people I mentioned) aren't "terrorists" or "criminals" to someone else? If we get to set standards by which we deem a person not worthy of the basic rights of humans, then why aren't others allowed to deem people they don't like unworthy?
If you believe all that, then I can infer you have no trouble with captured US troops being tortured. If we do it to others, why shouldn't they be able to do it to us?
The first link here points to a page with the following blue, hyperlinked text:
"Polish Radio reports:" (the basis of your complaint), "Polish air traffic control in Warsaw confirmed", and "WikiLeaks disclosed cables showing" (the exact point the article here is making).
Clearly, you didn't read the main story referenced. At least not completely.
When you hear the line "your love is like a roller coaster, baby", do you think the artist is saying, "you're responsible for a handful of deaths each year?"
I followed the link now, and I see what you mean. Since 16 is the age of consent in the UK, it seems odd to say 19-year-olds getting porn is a problem. 9 is still a bit young, but I don't think you're claiming they should be given hardcore porn.
For the record, I don't agree with the idea of banning/filtering sites at all. Basic parenting will cover most of what needs to be covered. If you have young kids, turn on the basic parental filters on your computer, or sit with your kids while they're on the internet. If kids are actively searching, then they're actually curious, and parents should discuss it all with them and answer their questions. (Well, not *all*. This isn't 4chan.)
I don't think anybody is saying the effects are just now happening. The effects of premature sexualization are the same as they've always been. The source is more readily available now. (As someone who went through puberty as the web was first hitting its stride, I can tell you the difference was massive.)
I don't think you would argue that being molested doesn't have an effect on someone. While the particulars of whoever did the molesting become a factor in how the victim's sexual tendencies go, the general effects on sexuality from early exposure are similar.
The claim isn't that teenagers aren't otherwise consumed by hormones, just that the degree to which they act out/behave/whatever is exaggerated. Thus hyper-sexual. (It could swing hypo-sexual too, or oscillate between the extremes, but I was trying to keep it simple.)
Also, and I just realized this might be where some confusion is coming from, I'm not talking about 16/17-year-olds finding some pictures of naked women. As the article notes, teenagers will find ways around those walls. The concern is more about younger kids accidentally stumbling onto something. (I'm not saying this is a valid concern for anyone with remotely decent parents either.)
I thought you were asking for some general understanding of what the concern is about. I'm simply the psychology I've learned over multiple years. (It's a blog comment, not an entry to a scientific journal.) I'm sure you can find various authoritative sources online.
Exposure to sex can lead to hyper-sexualization of the child. The child can view intercourse as being a life goal, rather than healthy relationships. It's similar in some ways to what sexual abuse can do (although less likely to create a pedophile). It isn't guaranteed, but there's an increased chance of it. As with most things, it varies with the kind of exposure, and how often it happens.
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Let me paraphrase some other building parlance for you: read twice, comment once.
Both my post and the original article made the distinction between concrete and cement clear. I'm not sure why you were compelled to repeat the difference. You described it correctly, but it isn't relevant here.
My point is, the article (and the link to it) cited the cement as the source of the innovation, so talking about the cement (not the concrete) is more accurate. It isn't the water or the aggregate which traps the CO2.
To put it another way, the next time you go to the university, try talking to the CivEs about the process of heating limestone to make concrete. I'm sure they'll correct your misunderstanding of "real world technicalities" very quickly.
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On that matter, is it fraud if a bank teller accidentally gives you extra money? It's quite possible a person puts the money in his/her pocket either way, and doesn't realize the error until much later. Is s/he guilty of a crime then?
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I'm talking about foreigners in their native countries attacking people they see as invading their country. It's all perspective. To them, the US is the villain terrorizing their native land. The only ground we can stand on in saying how they should treat us/our people (military or otherwise) is by setting an example for what is acceptable.
If we torture anyone, we give up the ground to say that is unacceptable to do to us.
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Second, the US troops aren't terrorists *in our eyes*. Who's to say they (or the other people I mentioned) aren't "terrorists" or "criminals" to someone else? If we get to set standards by which we deem a person not worthy of the basic rights of humans, then why aren't others allowed to deem people they don't like unworthy?
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"Polish Radio reports:" (the basis of your complaint), "Polish air traffic control in Warsaw confirmed", and "WikiLeaks disclosed cables showing" (the exact point the article here is making).
Clearly, you didn't read the main story referenced. At least not completely.
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The third diagram is incorrect too
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For the record, I don't agree with the idea of banning/filtering sites at all. Basic parenting will cover most of what needs to be covered. If you have young kids, turn on the basic parental filters on your computer, or sit with your kids while they're on the internet. If kids are actively searching, then they're actually curious, and parents should discuss it all with them and answer their questions. (Well, not *all*. This isn't 4chan.)
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I don't think you would argue that being molested doesn't have an effect on someone. While the particulars of whoever did the molesting become a factor in how the victim's sexual tendencies go, the general effects on sexuality from early exposure are similar.
The claim isn't that teenagers aren't otherwise consumed by hormones, just that the degree to which they act out/behave/whatever is exaggerated. Thus hyper-sexual. (It could swing hypo-sexual too, or oscillate between the extremes, but I was trying to keep it simple.)
Also, and I just realized this might be where some confusion is coming from, I'm not talking about 16/17-year-olds finding some pictures of naked women. As the article notes, teenagers will find ways around those walls. The concern is more about younger kids accidentally stumbling onto something. (I'm not saying this is a valid concern for anyone with remotely decent parents either.)
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Both my post and the original article made the distinction between concrete and cement clear. I'm not sure why you were compelled to repeat the difference. You described it correctly, but it isn't relevant here.
My point is, the article (and the link to it) cited the cement as the source of the innovation, so talking about the cement (not the concrete) is more accurate. It isn't the water or the aggregate which traps the CO2.
To put it another way, the next time you go to the university, try talking to the CivEs about the process of heating limestone to make concrete. I'm sure they'll correct your misunderstanding of "real world technicalities" very quickly.
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