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steam sales tend to boost sales at full price after sale.
I know this sounds counter intuitive, but many games that have gone on sale have been gifted to me or i grabbed them up.
well thanks to word of mouth, for example on dungeon defenders(gifted when the full bundle was like 8 bucks), thanks to my word of mouth alone, I can count over 30 sales they got AT FULL PRICE($14.99)+ DLC($13+ at the time)
thats a huge boost to sales, all thanks to a steam sale and a buddy giving me a copy(like many people do when they see a great steam sale) these sales give amazing word of mouth.
another example of a game i never would have touched was battle field: bad company 2, same guy gifted that to me when it was like 12bucks, and thanks to that, when the price went back up, they made at least 8-9 full priced sales of the game+expansion.
and the games riddled with aimbotters and hackers(why we all eventually quit)
still they got sales they never would have....at full price and at sale price.
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steam sales tend to boost sales at full price after sale.
I know this sounds counter intuitive, but many games that have gone on sale have been gifted to me or i grabbed them up.
well thanks to word of mouth, for example on dungeon defenders(gifted when the full bundle was like 8 bucks), thanks to my word of mouth alone, I can count over 30 sales they got AT FULL PRICE($14.99)+ DLC($13+ at the time)
thats a huge boost to sales, all thanks to a steam sale and a buddy giving me a copy(like many people do when they see a great steam sale) these sales give amazing word of mouth.
another example of a game i never would have touched was battle field: bad company 2, same guy gifted that to me when it was like 12bucks, and thanks to that, when the price went back up, they made at least 8-9 full priced sales of the game+expansion.
and the games riddled with aimbotters and hackers(why we all eventually quit)
another important thing to note, as Baen found out in their free library experiment, free or cheap ebooks lead to higher sales of physical books, so he may not make as much directly on ebooks as he could have, but very likely he and his publisher will make more on physical book sale then they would have otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baen_Books
well said, they took away a chance for El-P to connect even more with this community, by doing that they in many ways silenced his voice.
that was, Im sure their intent, to stop speech from somebody whos taking a tact they find offensive(not hating on p2p and blaming it for all the worlds problems.
El-P came here and posted something quite mature and respectful, he was humble and kind, and he got shit on by the very people who claim to have his best interest at heart....the content industry....where the rest of us have shown him nothing but respect....
I think by the actions of those in this thread you can infer who the nice guys and assholes really are.....
please give us a list of your songs and your real or at least stage names.
this would help us greatly to avoid anything you have had a hand increating, and by extention would insure we don "screw you" out of those millions of dollars your sure p2p sites all make off your hard work.
let me be clear, I pay for music I like, If I dont like it, I delete it, I refuse to buy music from RIAA lables unless its 2nd hand(used), I refuse to buy ANYTHING without hearing it(been screwed by your ilk to many times)
I would really like to know what music your involved in, so i can spread the word that you hate anybody who uses p2p and hate anybody who dosnt pay you for content you in anyway had a hand in creating.
I also dont feel that lifetime+70+years is a valid or useful copyright period, I dont feel somebody should work once and get paid for the rest of their lives AND their kids should also get paid....thats BS.
Sorry but being paid over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
for working once decades ago is BS, why do you people think your so special you should get paid more and for longer then people who work day in day out for a living?
please I must ask again could you please list the songs and names we need to avoid to avoid your taint....i mean content.
please again let us know who you are so we can avoid downloading your work, and also spread the word that you hate anybody who downloads your work, it will save you from our evil hateful ways and us from supporting somebody who hates us.
if you dont like your pay model, maby you should work to change it.
get paid up front for your work rather then working on a % basis or per play/sale basis.
I know the reason I wont take salary again is that I got tired of working long hrs for no overtime as I watched others get paid over time....
I get where your coming from but, you cant blame this all on "piracy", your made a choice when you signed your contract, you agreed to take what they felt you deserved, same as artists who sign with major lables accept they are going to get bent over and dry humped by their lable...
if your pissed/fed up with whats happening, change fields, write jingles or music for videogames, something where you can get a per job payment or royalties without much worry about somebody "stealing" from you.
I do really hate to tell you this, but very few "pirate" sites make a profit, most of them make enough to keep the site up, and very little extra...ad revenue is pretty pathetic even on a very popular site, I was once staff on a VERY popular gaming site/forums, even with ads on both sides and in posts and tens of thousands of views a day, we could barely cover the cost of maintaining the site.
the fact is, you have been lead to believe that these "pirate sites" make millions when most dont even make thousands.....
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funny, the case found TPB dosnt make much money, nowhere close to the millions that the industry claimed....
and just being on there, without being featured is advertising, because the sites GLOBAL and known GLOBALLY, no region lockouts, no gatekeepers, i mean other then the few govts who have followed your flawed logic and ordered tpb banned, and even those bans are useless...because they are easy to bypass....
may haps thats a lesson for people who want to do music for a living, they shouldnt quit their day jobs...or night jobs...
I dont think anybody has the right to instantly make money doing what they love, I know a woman who LOVES knitting, shes horrible at it, but she loves it...you couldnt sell her "Sweaters" to a man dieing of hypothermia on the south poll in winter....but she loves it and if she could she would do it for a living....(last blanket she made was...not square...lol)
please if your a musician let us know who you really are(with some proof) so we can avoid your works if you hate us "freetards" so much...
note: I duno who decided "Freetard" should be used for anything but free software foundation/stallman types... thats where it originated after all...
you should pop your own stuff up on TPB's promo page with a link to your site.
honestly, It couldnt hurt, I would buy your stuff if i wasnt DBMF....I have linked a few friends to it already :)
another place that could get you some traffic is demonoid, a few bands got a good traffic and sales/donation boost from the noid.(one of them due to me telling an old friend whos a member to toss his stuff up in mp3, flac and vorbis....they got enough to upgrade their sound gear for local gigs!!!)
how about people who saw the word "FREE" and downloaded...I know many people, including my past self who download/downloaded everything they see/saw that says FREE on it....
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according to the riaa you damn well do, they raided a music store for selling cassettes and cd's made by indi artists, excuse was they where sure it was piracy, turned out all the stuff they found was being sold by the shop FOR THE ARTISTS, the RIAA defense of their actions was that tapes and cd's that are not pressed/professionally recorded=piracy....
so yes, according to the RIAA you need a contract with an RIAA lable to legally distribute, if you dont, they will do their level best to insure your content never sees the light of day.
another point is, how many downloads from the didnt pay catagory where record lable people downloading to scew the numbers and try and drive radiohead back into the "right" way to do things?
dont tell me that the lables dont do stuff like this, because they have been caught at it quite a few times, having their reps seed stuff just so they can send dmca notices out or even sue people....pretty dishonest if you ask me....
first, pirate bay isnt a lable, they arent even a distributor, they are for all intents and perpouses free advertising directing to downloads of various forms of content.
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I know this sounds counter intuitive, but many games that have gone on sale have been gifted to me or i grabbed them up.
well thanks to word of mouth, for example on dungeon defenders(gifted when the full bundle was like 8 bucks), thanks to my word of mouth alone, I can count over 30 sales they got AT FULL PRICE($14.99)+ DLC($13+ at the time)
thats a huge boost to sales, all thanks to a steam sale and a buddy giving me a copy(like many people do when they see a great steam sale) these sales give amazing word of mouth.
another example of a game i never would have touched was battle field: bad company 2, same guy gifted that to me when it was like 12bucks, and thanks to that, when the price went back up, they made at least 8-9 full priced sales of the game+expansion.
and the games riddled with aimbotters and hackers(why we all eventually quit)
still they got sales they never would have....at full price and at sale price.
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I know this sounds counter intuitive, but many games that have gone on sale have been gifted to me or i grabbed them up.
well thanks to word of mouth, for example on dungeon defenders(gifted when the full bundle was like 8 bucks), thanks to my word of mouth alone, I can count over 30 sales they got AT FULL PRICE($14.99)+ DLC($13+ at the time)
thats a huge boost to sales, all thanks to a steam sale and a buddy giving me a copy(like many people do when they see a great steam sale) these sales give amazing word of mouth.
another example of a game i never would have touched was battle field: bad company 2, same guy gifted that to me when it was like 12bucks, and thanks to that, when the price went back up, they made at least 8-9 full priced sales of the game+expansion.
and the games riddled with aimbotters and hackers(why we all eventually quit)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baen_Books
a few of my favorite authors are under Baen :)
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http://verizonfails.ytmnd.com/
only the best most skilled mathematicians work for big content and verizon.
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that was, Im sure their intent, to stop speech from somebody whos taking a tact they find offensive(not hating on p2p and blaming it for all the worlds problems.
El-P came here and posted something quite mature and respectful, he was humble and kind, and he got shit on by the very people who claim to have his best interest at heart....the content industry....where the rest of us have shown him nothing but respect....
I think by the actions of those in this thread you can infer who the nice guys and assholes really are.....
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this would help us greatly to avoid anything you have had a hand increating, and by extention would insure we don "screw you" out of those millions of dollars your sure p2p sites all make off your hard work.
let me be clear, I pay for music I like, If I dont like it, I delete it, I refuse to buy music from RIAA lables unless its 2nd hand(used), I refuse to buy ANYTHING without hearing it(been screwed by your ilk to many times)
I would really like to know what music your involved in, so i can spread the word that you hate anybody who uses p2p and hate anybody who dosnt pay you for content you in anyway had a hand in creating.
I also dont feel that lifetime+70+years is a valid or useful copyright period, I dont feel somebody should work once and get paid for the rest of their lives AND their kids should also get paid....thats BS.
Sorry but being paid over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
for working once decades ago is BS, why do you people think your so special you should get paid more and for longer then people who work day in day out for a living?
please I must ask again could you please list the songs and names we need to avoid to avoid your taint....i mean content.
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get paid up front for your work rather then working on a % basis or per play/sale basis.
I know the reason I wont take salary again is that I got tired of working long hrs for no overtime as I watched others get paid over time....
I get where your coming from but, you cant blame this all on "piracy", your made a choice when you signed your contract, you agreed to take what they felt you deserved, same as artists who sign with major lables accept they are going to get bent over and dry humped by their lable...
if your pissed/fed up with whats happening, change fields, write jingles or music for videogames, something where you can get a per job payment or royalties without much worry about somebody "stealing" from you.
I do really hate to tell you this, but very few "pirate" sites make a profit, most of them make enough to keep the site up, and very little extra...ad revenue is pretty pathetic even on a very popular site, I was once staff on a VERY popular gaming site/forums, even with ads on both sides and in posts and tens of thousands of views a day, we could barely cover the cost of maintaining the site.
the fact is, you have been lead to believe that these "pirate sites" make millions when most dont even make thousands.....
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and just being on there, without being featured is advertising, because the sites GLOBAL and known GLOBALLY, no region lockouts, no gatekeepers, i mean other then the few govts who have followed your flawed logic and ordered tpb banned, and even those bans are useless...because they are easy to bypass....
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I dont think anybody has the right to instantly make money doing what they love, I know a woman who LOVES knitting, shes horrible at it, but she loves it...you couldnt sell her "Sweaters" to a man dieing of hypothermia on the south poll in winter....but she loves it and if she could she would do it for a living....(last blanket she made was...not square...lol)
please if your a musician let us know who you really are(with some proof) so we can avoid your works if you hate us "freetards" so much...
note: I duno who decided "Freetard" should be used for anything but free software foundation/stallman types... thats where it originated after all...
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honestly, It couldnt hurt, I would buy your stuff if i wasnt DBMF....I have linked a few friends to it already :)
another place that could get you some traffic is demonoid, a few bands got a good traffic and sales/donation boost from the noid.(one of them due to me telling an old friend whos a member to toss his stuff up in mp3, flac and vorbis....they got enough to upgrade their sound gear for local gigs!!!)
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so yes, according to the RIAA you need a contract with an RIAA lable to legally distribute, if you dont, they will do their level best to insure your content never sees the light of day.
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dont tell me that the lables dont do stuff like this, because they have been caught at it quite a few times, having their reps seed stuff just so they can send dmca notices out or even sue people....pretty dishonest if you ask me....
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its not right that they cant have over a hundred year monopoly on anything and everything they paid somebody else to create(or bought the rights to)
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