or consider the fact that there is nothing you or anyone can do to stop it, and that any time, effort, or money spent trying to stop file sharing is time, effort and money that is not just wasted, but actually invested in ill will against you and your product.
Question... if someone does not share the entire film, how are they responsible? that portion that they shared is nothing at all. just garbled info. Nothing watchable
I am someone who had his property stolen by many people through electronic means and was never compensated for nine months of intense labor.
if someone broke into your computer and took your stuff, it's probably up on the net somewhere and you can just download it from there and get it back.
Don't underestimate the industry's ability to invent a reason why these alternatives are not legal...
it's not that the industry always deems legal services illegal. it's that the industry won't play ball with services unless a certain dollar figure has been reached and that dollar figure is just too expensive for any startup to pay and turn a profit.
the industry stance is something like this: we have X dollars a year in costs and Z dollars in revenue. not many people are buying our content and our asking price, and we need money so no content to new services unless they can come up with Y=X-Z dollars.
the problem isn't that people aren't willing to pay, it's that the prices that people are willing to pay don't cover the industry's costs. the industry has a product problem for which legal services just aren't the answer.
the industry isn't desperate enough yet to lower its asking price because it still believes that the enforcement approach will ultimately bear fruit.
I thought private industry group and governments were the same.
no, they are different. private industry groups make the demands and government fulfills them. the master has to be a separate entity from the slave, otherwise the master really isn't master of anything but himself.
Remember what happened to napster? if they block pirate bay, the community will fragment into more Piratebay like sites and it will be even harder to control.
remember what happened to the pirate bay? it keeps getting shut down, yet somehow it keeps coming back. fragmentation would happen IF tpb was shutdown, but honestly with each resurrection TPB gets stronger and more political. i am wondering if a permanent shutdown will ever really happen.
is there any situation under which the isps would agree to block anything ever?
no. that's the point: blocking access to something is inviting a game of whack-a-mole that ISP's cannot win, yet they would be penalized for losing.
in your scenario, someone would demand that dutch ISP's block access to killthedutch.com. the dutch ISP's comply. then the site "moves" in some manner (name change, host change, ip address change, etc.) and access is restored. the dutch ISP's are now breaking the law. rinse and repeat. after 10 iterations, the site is still running (and dutch people are being threatened in some manner) yet the dutch ISP's have committed 10 offenses of "failing to block access".
this is the point of safe harbor laws: ISP's deliver access, not content. if the content is somehow illegal, the offense is committed by the uploader and the downloader, not the ISP's that make the uploading and downloading possible.
in the case of a threatening site, the offenders are the site operators and the sites visitors, not the network operators who make it possible to access the site.
We just need to get the right software on them, connect some sort of P2P software on them that has a common standard that can automatically interconnect with each other.
Again, the network will be inefficient but it will work for things like text. For large file transfers it will certainly be a problem though.
the trouble isn't efficiency, it's distance. the FCC has very strict rules limiting the broadcast power for wifi devices. this means your mesh nodes have a broadcast radius of a hundred meters (give or take.) you would need dozens of nodes to cover a square mile of flat ground with no obstructions.
it goes back to innovation and competition: the established broadband market won't deliver what the public wants and the government won't open the market up to competition.
if I understand correctly copyright holders have to (and have) filed lawsuits to get that information.
they have the IP info, and want the ISP to provide subscriber info like name and address. getting a comcast IP isn't hard.
So how does techdirt (or whoever originally made the claim) get that info?
a lot of corporate IP info commonly known, for example, GE owns the entire 3.0.0.0 block. you can get lists of IP's for a variety of uses, such as blocking connections from spammers and crackers.
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or consider the fact that there is nothing you or anyone can do to stop it, and that any time, effort, or money spent trying to stop file sharing is time, effort and money that is not just wasted, but actually invested in ill will against you and your product.
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it doesn't matter (to USCG.)
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yes. the internet is scary, and it's a tool for disrespectful teenagers to disrespect things.
libraries are old fashioned. that automatically makes it good. the internet is modern. therefore, it is bad.
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Re: Illegal is Illegal
if someone broke into your computer and took your stuff, it's probably up on the net somewhere and you can just download it from there and get it back.
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where are they? they're not on his youtube channel, all i see is his other video and the ravepocalypse trailer.
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it's not that the industry always deems legal services illegal. it's that the industry won't play ball with services unless a certain dollar figure has been reached and that dollar figure is just too expensive for any startup to pay and turn a profit.
the industry stance is something like this: we have X dollars a year in costs and Z dollars in revenue. not many people are buying our content and our asking price, and we need money so no content to new services unless they can come up with Y=X-Z dollars.
the problem isn't that people aren't willing to pay, it's that the prices that people are willing to pay don't cover the industry's costs. the industry has a product problem for which legal services just aren't the answer.
the industry isn't desperate enough yet to lower its asking price because it still believes that the enforcement approach will ultimately bear fruit.
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no, they are different. private industry groups make the demands and government fulfills them. the master has to be a separate entity from the slave, otherwise the master really isn't master of anything but himself.
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but it's tough to send people to jail in a civil case. this makes your "warning to others" that will somehow save your industry kind of toothless.
also, dutch law enforcement officials probably don't see any money from civil cases.
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wow, i had no idea that it was legal to kill, injure, and orb people in my home in new york. why do new yorkers get have all the fun :-(
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Re: Stupid
remember what happened to the pirate bay? it keeps getting shut down, yet somehow it keeps coming back. fragmentation would happen IF tpb was shutdown, but honestly with each resurrection TPB gets stronger and more political. i am wondering if a permanent shutdown will ever really happen.
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no. that's the point: blocking access to something is inviting a game of whack-a-mole that ISP's cannot win, yet they would be penalized for losing.
in your scenario, someone would demand that dutch ISP's block access to killthedutch.com. the dutch ISP's comply. then the site "moves" in some manner (name change, host change, ip address change, etc.) and access is restored. the dutch ISP's are now breaking the law. rinse and repeat. after 10 iterations, the site is still running (and dutch people are being threatened in some manner) yet the dutch ISP's have committed 10 offenses of "failing to block access".
this is the point of safe harbor laws: ISP's deliver access, not content. if the content is somehow illegal, the offense is committed by the uploader and the downloader, not the ISP's that make the uploading and downloading possible.
in the case of a threatening site, the offenders are the site operators and the sites visitors, not the network operators who make it possible to access the site.
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it's called BATMAN:
http://www.open-mesh.org
Again, the network will be inefficient but it will work for things like text. For large file transfers it will certainly be a problem though.
the trouble isn't efficiency, it's distance. the FCC has very strict rules limiting the broadcast power for wifi devices. this means your mesh nodes have a broadcast radius of a hundred meters (give or take.) you would need dozens of nodes to cover a square mile of flat ground with no obstructions.
it goes back to innovation and competition: the established broadband market won't deliver what the public wants and the government won't open the market up to competition.
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mesh networking is a little more involved than that.
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the basic platform of most pirate parties is intellectual property reform, privacy, and government transparency.
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nah, that sounds like work and might require the use of the internet.
bawwwwing about piracy is much easier.
Yes, it's akin to busking on a street corner...
which is something that "unknowns" do before they become big time producers.
when you are a big time producer you don't ask for money, people just give it to you, because you deserve it for being a big time producer.
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to hire lobbyists, run attack ads, and make large campaign contributions.
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they have the IP info, and want the ISP to provide subscriber info like name and address. getting a comcast IP isn't hard.
So how does techdirt (or whoever originally made the claim) get that info?
a lot of corporate IP info commonly known, for example, GE owns the entire 3.0.0.0 block. you can get lists of IP's for a variety of uses, such as blocking connections from spammers and crackers.
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first they...
if ASsCAP is scared, maybe the other Big Content groups will be too.
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not making a million dollars is the same as losing a million dollars, just like standing still is the same thing as walking backwards.
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