Re: Re: Re: Re: The Singularity must be stopped at all costs!!
"I do not want my tax records available for anyone to read, nor my driving record, library history or any other data the government has on me to be available for anyone who wants it."
Those aren't government dealings so there is no legitimate need for YOUR personal records to be disclosed publicly. The same criteria should apply to all individuals in this country.
It is the dealings of our collective government who is SUPPOSED to be working for US, the citizens, that we want disclosed. Obviously some things should be kept secret, especially military technology development et al. However, once that threshold is quickly reached the rest of the "employees" dealings should be well documented and easily accessible so that voters who actually elect these "employees" can vote with a reasonable amount of knowledge about how these individuals accomplish their workload.
"We just don't have enough information to say that there's anything wrong going on here."
If that is the case, then an investigation MAY be called for and seizures of entire domains is completely uncalled for and would likely be a violation of the law itself. Making copies of the website would be sufficient enough to use for evidence in the course of DUE PROCESS.
See, the rules are there but you don't get to selectively apply them to suit your needs. Due process must take place or the enforcement agency ends up being the offender.
Re: Its not physical so it has no value according to Mike, so they cannot profit from it.
"If you are doing something you do not have a right to do, the law, will take away your ability to do that thing."
Ahem, first there is a little roadblock called DUE PROCESS that is SUPPOSED to occur. As it has been pointed out several times, just making copies of the website would be sufficient enough to use for evidence in the course of DUE PROCESS. So, while you vigorously defend some specific rights for the content industries you completely ignore the rights of the individuals while you blatantly disregard the entire DUE PROCESS portion of law enforcement. Fascist much?
"It shouldn't come as a surprise that a beaurocrat errors on the side of caution."
The side of caution from a beaurocrat - did you REALLY just write that?! I almost spit coffee all over my screen!
"It's just CYA."
I have an easier time believing this was the case in the first place despite the fact that even if the LoC blocked WL that its a futile effort at best.
Folks will just go to where the info is available. Has anyone learned anything from the entertainment industry's ridiculous attempt to keep the gates closed?
walking into work and telling the owner of the company "Hey, I get to know every little thing you do regarding your business and your personal life. But how dare you even think of telling anyone anything about me!"
Last I checked, the US Government is SUPPOSED to work for the citizens of this country. Yet, when Wikileaks or some other whistle blower brings forth information the roaches scatter under the lights and conspire in back rooms about what to do with the homeowners.
Lieberman's attempt to pass legislation regarding the publishing of information is straight out of the 1950's and the Joe McCarthy camp.
For some reason your post seemed to have a familiar idea I was in favor of. After reading through my own posts here on TD, I found this one from August:
On the post: Digitizing Your Own Books Becoming Popular In Japan
The publishers haven't figured this out yet?
Ron Rezendes (profile), Aug 25th, 2010 @ 9:41am
Every book should have a digital copy on the inside cover that allows the user to load it onto whatever device they wish!
This saves the buyer all of the scan time and is actually providing significantly more value because you have saved each reader this time. Judging by the survey - half of the readers have at least some serious interest in doing this anyway!
Digital copies are ridiculously cheap to make and should be a great marketing point!
I already know there are those of you who are just waiting to say "But everyone will make copies for free and the book won't sell as well!" I have three replies to that:
1. Prove it!
2. Quit thinking everyone's a thief - they aren't
3. If it were true, then they are already are doing it!
However, the idea here is to try give the customer what they want upfront (remember Business 101?) so they won't need to do this themselves AND the book actually sells thus providing income for the author and all the middlemen!
I can't imagine this company wouldn't explode in size as their offerings widen beyond the current SciFi/Fantasy genre.
This sounds very much like what todays market is looking for in terms of flexibility and pricing structure.
Without having looked at the site it would seem seasonal sales of 4 or 5 titles for $20 or an occasional author signing 10/100 copies of the CD would keep sales flowing nicely moving during slow sales periods.
"The e-book copy costs more because they factor piracy into it."
Please provide a single independent source for the piracy figures being used to calculate the new price that hasn't already been debunked repeatedly. However, there have been studies that show people who "pirate" these goods are often the ones who will buy said goods at a later date even though that may not have been their initial intention. Factoring piracy on the actual numbers means the price should go down for these items that cost virtually nothing to reproduce electronically since each user can make copies onto their own hardware which doesn't cost the publisher a penny more if one copy is made or one billion copies are made.
"Material costs for printing a book are negligible."
You might want to talk to the logging companies and paper mills doing this work - it may come as a bit of a shock to those who feed their families in those industries.
"You don't pay for the paper and ink."
THIEF!!!
"You pay for the words on the page."
Let me guess, the same way musicians and studio artists are paid for music - pennies on the dollar but only when applicable once the collection societies and the talentless have been paid for being a gatekeeper?
"Want cheaper prices? Stop supporting piracy. Prices come down."
Actually Economics 101 will tell you to NOT buy the product, for when there is less demand, the price will come down.
History shows us how the big media companies handle reduced costs. Remember when cassettes were replaced by CDs and we were told music would become more affordable? That didn't happen, instead the gatekeepers actually raised the price of music albums. Did the artists get more money? No! But the gatekeepers did!
When the useless gatekeeper tries to separate the consuming masses from having their products at reasonable and realistic prices, the masses will find a way to take what they want and make damn sure the gatekeeper doesn't get paid.
Please find your bridge before sundown and stay there if you will!
The advancement of humanity and technology for a single life...
Apparently those in the Ivory Towers will commence on another witch hunt for Assange and eventually (as we all do) he will pass away whether at the hands of an agent, or some other hired gun, or if extremely fortunate of a more reasonable cause.
However, as a result of Wikileaks and the efforts to quell the information coming from it, more sophisticated network and distribution systems will be created and/or exposed to more people globally; "proof" aka "the raw truth" (whether needed or not) of how governments around the world operate and what they may be saying to certain parties and not to others will be exposed using their own words; centuries of privileged rulers and government suppression of the common man is being exposed on an unprecedented level and may eventually lead to changes that actually make sense for all of humanity.
If there are things that government officials don't want others to know about when it comes to government dealings then maybe the government hasn't been doing the right things, the right way, all along? A government by the people and for the people hasn't existed in the US for quite some time - I personally am looking forward to the changes these leaks may bring about.
The digital revolution has begun and will be streamed, torrented, P2P networked, sneaker-netted, downloaded, Tweeted, Facebooked, shared on forums and available on YouTube! There are not enough resources available in the world to stem the tide from knocking down the sand castles of the privileged rulers who believed this could never happen.
"If the laws are not seen as legit, people will not obey them."
Yes, they will. That's what the law is all about after all. Do we really need to debate on every "stupid" law we disagree with and need to respect anyway?
A couple of hundred years ago England believed EXACTLY this and guess what happened? They got an ass whooping and sent home to their little island in the North Atlantic.
We don't have to debate any little thing at all. Piss off enough people and they will collectively revolt. Piss them off enough and you could die in the process of spewing out the phrase "But the world owes me something - I'm a creator of content!"
If you think it couldn't happen then you haven't learned from what history has repeatedly shown over centuries!
Why does the US Government feel the need to go through such invasive, uncomfortable and costly measures on US citizens and visitors who carry passports that identify them but leave the borders wide open?
If terrorists want access to US soil they could just walk into this country anywhere along the border with Mexico - hundreds, if not thousands of people do it every single day. My intuition tells me the next terrorist attack won't involve a person on a plane at all, but we'll keep spending our resources defending the dreaded boogeyman of the sky.
I suppose if a terrorist uses a tanker truck next we'll see ground transportation get new security measures that will raise the cost of anything moved in a truck. Knee jerk reactions and ridiculous spending in the name of "National Security" shows that the terrorists have already won - to a degree.
However, what really concerns me is the scope of the focus and attention spent on airlines which leads me to think that terrorists will concentrate on a new method of attack that simply avoids all of these air-related security measures. I can only hope that I'm wrong.
...the thing we hear on San Diego sports radio shows is "Why aren't the fans coming to the games to support their team when they are doing well? (The Padres were in the playoff hunt until the final day of the season)
Well Mr. Sports Talk Radio Personality - we also have the option of voting with our wallets! Since MLB, by virtue of their anti-trust exemption, pulls stupid stunts like this repeatedly and doesn't quite understand why the fans in this economy don't want to spend $10 on a beer and $6 on a hot dog plus $20 for the "privilege" to park within 3 miles of the stadium before they even buy the ticket they will just have to suffer for their ignorance. Attendance figures are down and the ratings for the World Series were among the worst ever (get clue MLB - most of the folks who have jobs work during the daytime when you are televising your showcase championship!) and yet MLB just seems to not quite understand why this is the case.
As a lifelong, hardcore baseball fan it's beyond discouraging to watch the fall of America's pastime.
It doesn't seem out of line to think that Disney will of course sue and demand the work be turned over to them which they will then turn around and use for marketing purposes because it is such a great piece of work. Disney will probably consider this a win-win scenario since they will be awarded damages and they get the work done for free.
Either that or it will go into the infamous "Disney vault" and won't see the light of day except when Disney opens the vault door to re-release another movie "for a limited" time.
Could you please point out in what jurisdiction of ANY relatively free country in the world it would actually be "illegal" to tell people where something is located?
Just because I say the bank is open doesn't mean I should be to blame if it gets robbed!
Please apply some logic to your arguments next time.
The logistical problem here is that the government knows it's cheaper to bury them than pay for their retirement and care after service. This is obviously a sad day (Veteran's Day) to even have to point this disturbing truth out.
Agreed Daryl, I think too many people are weighing the sentence against a lone charge which is clearly incorrect as you've pointed out. He's lucky the sentence was as lenient as it was considering the extent of the activities.
On the post: Operation Payback And Wikileaks Show The Battle Lines Are About Distributed & Open vs. Centralized & Closed
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Singularity must be stopped at all costs!!
Those aren't government dealings so there is no legitimate need for YOUR personal records to be disclosed publicly. The same criteria should apply to all individuals in this country.
It is the dealings of our collective government who is SUPPOSED to be working for US, the citizens, that we want disclosed. Obviously some things should be kept secret, especially military technology development et al. However, once that threshold is quickly reached the rest of the "employees" dealings should be well documented and easily accessible so that voters who actually elect these "employees" can vote with a reasonable amount of knowledge about how these individuals accomplish their workload.
On the post: Homeland Security Gets Walmart To Tell You To Inform On Your Neighbors
FTFY
You just have to wonder if folks in our government are capable of thinking, ever!
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Re: Other motives
On the post: As The Feds Seize Domains, More Attention Paid To How Law Enforcement Regularly Abuses Asset Seizures
Really?
If that is the case, then an investigation MAY be called for and seizures of entire domains is completely uncalled for and would likely be a violation of the law itself. Making copies of the website would be sufficient enough to use for evidence in the course of DUE PROCESS.
See, the rules are there but you don't get to selectively apply them to suit your needs. Due process must take place or the enforcement agency ends up being the offender.
Silly rabbit!
On the post: As The Feds Seize Domains, More Attention Paid To How Law Enforcement Regularly Abuses Asset Seizures
Re: Its not physical so it has no value according to Mike, so they cannot profit from it.
Ahem, first there is a little roadblock called DUE PROCESS that is SUPPOSED to occur. As it has been pointed out several times, just making copies of the website would be sufficient enough to use for evidence in the course of DUE PROCESS. So, while you vigorously defend some specific rights for the content industries you completely ignore the rights of the individuals while you blatantly disregard the entire DUE PROCESS portion of law enforcement. Fascist much?
On the post: Did Library Of Congress Lie? White House Says No Requirement To Block Wikileaks
Re: The law is the law
The side of caution from a beaurocrat - did you REALLY just write that?! I almost spit coffee all over my screen!
"It's just CYA."
I have an easier time believing this was the case in the first place despite the fact that even if the LoC blocked WL that its a futile effort at best.
Folks will just go to where the info is available. Has anyone learned anything from the entertainment industry's ridiculous attempt to keep the gates closed?
On the post: Once Again, Feds Found To Be Abusing Surveillance Procedures With Little Oversight
Can you imagine...
Last I checked, the US Government is SUPPOSED to work for the citizens of this country. Yet, when Wikileaks or some other whistle blower brings forth information the roaches scatter under the lights and conspire in back rooms about what to do with the homeowners.
Lieberman's attempt to pass legislation regarding the publishing of information is straight out of the 1950's and the Joe McCarthy camp.
On the post: Amazon Bows To US Censorship Pressure: Refuses To Host Wikileaks
Re: Re: fucktard amazon
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Re: eBooks and what works for me
On the post: Digitizing Your Own Books Becoming Popular In Japan
The publishers haven't figured this out yet?
Ron Rezendes (profile), Aug 25th, 2010 @ 9:41am
Every book should have a digital copy on the inside cover that allows the user to load it onto whatever device they wish!
This saves the buyer all of the scan time and is actually providing significantly more value because you have saved each reader this time. Judging by the survey - half of the readers have at least some serious interest in doing this anyway!
Digital copies are ridiculously cheap to make and should be a great marketing point!
I already know there are those of you who are just waiting to say "But everyone will make copies for free and the book won't sell as well!" I have three replies to that:
1. Prove it!
2. Quit thinking everyone's a thief - they aren't
3. If it were true, then they are already are doing it!
However, the idea here is to try give the customer what they want upfront (remember Business 101?) so they won't need to do this themselves AND the book actually sells thus providing income for the author and all the middlemen!
On the post: Irony: Ebook About Clueless Media Moguls Costs Many Times Brand New Hardcover Version
I can't imagine this company wouldn't explode in size as their offerings widen beyond the current SciFi/Fantasy genre.
This sounds very much like what todays market is looking for in terms of flexibility and pricing structure.
Without having looked at the site it would seem seasonal sales of 4 or 5 titles for $20 or an occasional author signing 10/100 copies of the CD would keep sales flowing nicely moving during slow sales periods.
On the post: Irony: Ebook About Clueless Media Moguls Costs Many Times Brand New Hardcover Version
Ummmm.....NO!
Never mind - I'll feed the troll:
"The e-book copy costs more because they factor piracy into it."
Please provide a single independent source for the piracy figures being used to calculate the new price that hasn't already been debunked repeatedly. However, there have been studies that show people who "pirate" these goods are often the ones who will buy said goods at a later date even though that may not have been their initial intention. Factoring piracy on the actual numbers means the price should go down for these items that cost virtually nothing to reproduce electronically since each user can make copies onto their own hardware which doesn't cost the publisher a penny more if one copy is made or one billion copies are made.
"Material costs for printing a book are negligible."
You might want to talk to the logging companies and paper mills doing this work - it may come as a bit of a shock to those who feed their families in those industries.
"You don't pay for the paper and ink."
THIEF!!!
"You pay for the words on the page."
Let me guess, the same way musicians and studio artists are paid for music - pennies on the dollar but only when applicable once the collection societies and the talentless have been paid for being a gatekeeper?
"Want cheaper prices? Stop supporting piracy. Prices come down."
Actually Economics 101 will tell you to NOT buy the product, for when there is less demand, the price will come down.
History shows us how the big media companies handle reduced costs. Remember when cassettes were replaced by CDs and we were told music would become more affordable? That didn't happen, instead the gatekeepers actually raised the price of music albums. Did the artists get more money? No! But the gatekeepers did!
When the useless gatekeeper tries to separate the consuming masses from having their products at reasonable and realistic prices, the masses will find a way to take what they want and make damn sure the gatekeeper doesn't get paid.
Please find your bridge before sundown and stay there if you will!
On the post: Justice Department Trying To Figure Out How To Twist US Laws To Charge Julian Assange
The advancement of humanity and technology for a single life...
However, as a result of Wikileaks and the efforts to quell the information coming from it, more sophisticated network and distribution systems will be created and/or exposed to more people globally; "proof" aka "the raw truth" (whether needed or not) of how governments around the world operate and what they may be saying to certain parties and not to others will be exposed using their own words; centuries of privileged rulers and government suppression of the common man is being exposed on an unprecedented level and may eventually lead to changes that actually make sense for all of humanity.
If there are things that government officials don't want others to know about when it comes to government dealings then maybe the government hasn't been doing the right things, the right way, all along? A government by the people and for the people hasn't existed in the US for quite some time - I personally am looking forward to the changes these leaks may bring about.
The digital revolution has begun and will be streamed, torrented, P2P networked, sneaker-netted, downloaded, Tweeted, Facebooked, shared on forums and available on YouTube! There are not enough resources available in the world to stem the tide from knocking down the sand castles of the privileged rulers who believed this could never happen.
Just saying...
On the post: How ACTA Will Increase Copyright Infringement
Ever heard of the Revolutionary War?
Yes, they will. That's what the law is all about after all. Do we really need to debate on every "stupid" law we disagree with and need to respect anyway?
A couple of hundred years ago England believed EXACTLY this and guess what happened? They got an ass whooping and sent home to their little island in the North Atlantic.
We don't have to debate any little thing at all. Piss off enough people and they will collectively revolt. Piss them off enough and you could die in the process of spewing out the phrase "But the world owes me something - I'm a creator of content!"
If you think it couldn't happen then you haven't learned from what history has repeatedly shown over centuries!
On the post: Botched TSA Pat Down Leaves Traveler Covered In Urine
Why??
If terrorists want access to US soil they could just walk into this country anywhere along the border with Mexico - hundreds, if not thousands of people do it every single day. My intuition tells me the next terrorist attack won't involve a person on a plane at all, but we'll keep spending our resources defending the dreaded boogeyman of the sky.
I suppose if a terrorist uses a tanker truck next we'll see ground transportation get new security measures that will raise the cost of anything moved in a truck. Knee jerk reactions and ridiculous spending in the name of "National Security" shows that the terrorists have already won - to a degree.
However, what really concerns me is the scope of the focus and attention spent on airlines which leads me to think that terrorists will concentrate on a new method of attack that simply avoids all of these air-related security measures. I can only hope that I'm wrong.
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Re:
By the way - how the hell did you get the weapons past the TSA?
On the post: MLB Issuing Tons Of YouTube Takedowns; Don't Try To Share Your Love Of Baseball
And yet...
Well Mr. Sports Talk Radio Personality - we also have the option of voting with our wallets! Since MLB, by virtue of their anti-trust exemption, pulls stupid stunts like this repeatedly and doesn't quite understand why the fans in this economy don't want to spend $10 on a beer and $6 on a hot dog plus $20 for the "privilege" to park within 3 miles of the stadium before they even buy the ticket they will just have to suffer for their ignorance. Attendance figures are down and the ratings for the World Series were among the worst ever (get clue MLB - most of the folks who have jobs work during the daytime when you are televising your showcase championship!) and yet MLB just seems to not quite understand why this is the case.
As a lifelong, hardcore baseball fan it's beyond discouraging to watch the fall of America's pastime.
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Just a guess...
Either that or it will go into the infamous "Disney vault" and won't see the light of day except when Disney opens the vault door to re-release another movie "for a limited" time.
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Re:
Just because I say the bank is open doesn't mean I should be to blame if it gets robbed!
Please apply some logic to your arguments next time.
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Re: Re:
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Re: Not just a site takedown....
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