Re: Re: and the war is a complete failure, yet is far more justifiable in the eyes of most than the war on piracy. If you can't control the drug war with all this money I just don't see how you can control the war on piracy.
Good luck ..
but even china's gov't will fight pirates.
On land
on sea
or
online.
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they will follow the $$ in even china .
As Martin Luther says, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Moving is not a solution to unjust laws, correcting those laws is the solution.
"As Martin Luther says, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Moving is not a solution to unjust laws, correcting those laws is the solution."
ME : My point exactly . 100% plus.
try to take copyright out of the u.s. constitution.
Re: Re: I have a natural right to make a copy of anything I want and not worry about things like copyright and patents.
Me and mike, and karl argued these point weeks ago ,
If you read this WHOLE thread BEFORE YOU comment you will see they are addressed elsewhere he too.
T,J, is talking about IDEAS not action.
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Your points are strange interpretation.
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T.J. WROTE the constitution,, he put COPYright in BEFORE
Free speech..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Where is the harm? Re: Re: Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.
Re: Re: Re: Where is the harm? Re: Re: Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.
by Anonymous Coward, Jun 8th, 2010 @ 12:50pm
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YOU : What "limited extend"? How is it limited? By what force of nature is it "technically true, to a limited extent"?
ME : GREAT POINTS !!
lets me try here
>>> What "limited extend"?.
ANS : I make my Art, Once public , I will always loose some control,
How you interpret it for one.
Do you see the point i had in mind when I wrote the song?
Our do you Pretzel Logic twist into your own worldview.
But I have still have legal control of my Arts reuse and sale.
================
You : How is it limited?
Me : It is limited by the law.
You CAN PARODY my art legally 100%.
Usually artist LOVE parody of their work,
Imitation is the highest form of compliment.
But even if the original Artist does not like the PARODY,
there is nothing he can do-- legally.
He can punch the parody artist in nose if they meet at the Grammy-s,, but it never happens.
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ME : By what force of nature is it "technically true, to a limited extent"?
ME : Again , I make my Art,
and Once public ,
I will always loose some control,
How you interpret it for one.
=============
YOU :By what force of nature ?
Me : Well here we have to get meta-physical.
Law is man. Thought put on paper. rspected.
The constition itself has no POWER.
It needs the Government.
"Power comes out of the barrel of a gun" -- Mao,
( Sorry Mr. Lennon, sometime even Mao hit one good.)
We elect gov't within the framework of our Constitution, won by rebellion against England ,
and till today fought for by People with guns -
-- who represent our President , Governors , and Mayors , and/or any official who command a police or army force ----
So in the "real world" the "force of nature" is Government Guns and Jails.
We have elections , checks and balances , so the Gov't does not oppress us without our legal consent.
There is always the next election.
If we elect bad leaders , who it to blame?
The People of the Nation.
That is why some nations rise , and some nations fall.
The People.
----------------
What is the "force of nature" above the real materiel world?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Music Industry Music Industry by Mike Masnick Mon, Jun 7th 2010 11:15am Share This Filed Under: lawsuits, riaa, success Companies: riaa Permalink. Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Except a cheating Pirate.
yes , alot of people have degrees.
I am not saying i am a Wile Coyote super genius
Just not an academically intellectual moron.
that's all/
Fair point ?
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I can't fimd my house keys again?!?
mmm,,,,any body see.....??
thats when our moms go "moron" to us all !!
You con be king of the world , and mom and dad , can still call you a "moron",
l I accept to say that you are now officially a joke to me having equated file sharing to rape.
l I accept to say that you are now officially a joke to me having equated file sharing to rape./
ANS : BOTH ARE ILLEGAL. so is jaywalking.
It is either illegal or legal.
Black or white.
The is no such thing as "almost illegal" in law.
there is no such thing as "almost legal" in law.
But they is way we people called Judges.
They walk , work , and rule , on where the sharp line is between Legal and illegal.
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judge (jj)
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v.tr.
1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.
1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.
n.
1. One who judges, especially:
a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness:
a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.
2. Bible
a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.
[Middle English jugen, from Anglo-Norman juger, from Latin idicre, from idex, idic-, judge; see deik- in Indo-European roots.]
Synonyms: judge, arbitrator, arbiter, referee, umpire
These nouns denote persons who make decisions that determine or settle points at issue. A judge is one capable of making rational, dispassionate, and wise decisions: In this case, the jury members are the judges of the truth.
An arbitrator is either appointed or derives authority from the consent of the disputants: An experienced arbitrator mediated the contract dispute.
An arbiter is one whose opinion or judgment is recognized as being unassailable or binding: The critic considered himself an arbiter of fine literature.
A referee is an attorney appointed by a court to investigate and report on a case: The referee handled many bankruptcy cases each month.
An umpire is a person appointed to settle an issue that arbitrators are unable to resolve: The umpire studied complex tax cases.
In sports referee and umpire refer to officials who enforce the rules and settle points at issue.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Where is the harm? Re: Re: Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.As an artist all I can say is that artists control nothing except that which they choose not to share with the world.
"As an artist all I can say is that artists control nothing except that which they choose not to share with the world."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Music Industry Music Industry by Mike Masnick Mon, Jun 7th 2010 11:15am Share This Filed Under: lawsuits, riaa, success Companies: riaa Permalink. Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
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Re: Re: and the war is a complete failure, yet is far more justifiable in the eyes of most than the war on piracy. If you can't control the drug war with all this money I just don't see how you can control the war on piracy.
but even china's gov't will fight pirates.
On land
on sea
or
online.
---------------------
they will follow the $$ in even china .
Communism , my ass .
Marx would be pissed/
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dyslexic
I do not proof read well.
I am not hiring an assistant for post-in' here
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Re: Wow..First of all, this is why I support FOSS (Free Open Source Software). If its all free, then there would be no piracy!!! ;).
ME :: TRUE ,, w/ software. i love Linux & Mozilla .
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Try to "Open source" my Art
I will either :
A) "load my shotgun" (Rick Derringer & Ted Nugent ) ,
or
B} call my lawyer ( Me and the Beatles) ,
or
C] both (Willie Nelson).
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As Martin Luther says, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Moving is not a solution to unjust laws, correcting those laws is the solution.
ME : My point exactly . 100% plus.
try to take copyright out of the u.s. constitution.
Good luck.
bye
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Comparing file sharers to bank robbers is disingenuous at best
Sorry . No !
Law is law.
I was not judging magnitude of wrong.
Some things get you life in jail.
some get you 5 years ,
Some get you a $10 fine -- smoking pot in NYC.
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But Piracy is against the law.
All we are arguing about not in public policy is the sentence,
$10 fine or maybe 5 years, for big time pirates.
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Little geeks at home
do not worry.
If the governance does ok ,
you will find illegal downloading nearly impossible
to do from the average home setup.
Pirates will have to be hackers.
http://www.thehacktivist.com/
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I feel sorry for you, your job is a hard one.
ME : thank you .
Please send me some coffee and Samson Tobacco , if you really. feel sorry, that is what drives the posts.here .
But I , and other Artist , including the Beatles , bob Dylan , and Chuck Berry,
, AND Gore Vidal , and Ayn Rand , and all philosophers
& religious leaders living or dead or in between.
All support copyright laws.
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It is easier to carry a heavy bag of gold
than A heavy bag of mud,,
Or
"weight of lead" "Grateful Dead "
New Speedway Boogie by Grateful Dead
http://s0.ilike.com/play#Grateful+Dead:New+Speedway+Boogie:131695:s9129089.12181539.2293942. 0.2.166%2Cstd_05bf8146087b4b809b5ed107690d89ed
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This is crude and ineffective, but.
It is TECHDirt .
where is Mike ?
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Nonsense, for the most part the American industry grew out of shameless copying.
ANS : Do you really believe that ?
Please put into a paper in and economics class.
see what the proff says
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Re: Re: I have a natural right to make a copy of anything I want and not worry about things like copyright and patents.
If you read this WHOLE thread BEFORE YOU comment you will see they are addressed elsewhere he too.
T,J, is talking about IDEAS not action.
------------------
Your points are strange interpretation.
===============
T.J. WROTE the constitution,, he put COPYright in BEFORE
Free speech..
Take a political philosophy course,
Make these points , you will fail.
Read MORE . Write LESS.
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Just because a bad law exists doesn't mean that not negating it is the solution.
ANS : Very true.
try to change Murder. Never
try to change rape. Never
try to change theft Never
try to change Marijuana --please!!
try to change abortion ( not going there)
Try to change income tax : possible . i like flat tax,
Try To change COPYRIGHT : sorry never gonna happen
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Where is the harm? Re: Re: Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.
by Anonymous Coward, Jun 8th, 2010 @ 12:50pm
----------------------------------------
YOU : What "limited extend"? How is it limited? By what force of nature is it "technically true, to a limited extent"?
ME : GREAT POINTS !!
lets me try here
>>> What "limited extend"?.
ANS : I make my Art, Once public , I will always loose some control,
How you interpret it for one.
Do you see the point i had in mind when I wrote the song?
Our do you Pretzel Logic twist into your own worldview.
But I have still have legal control of my Arts reuse and sale.
================
You : How is it limited?
Me : It is limited by the law.
You CAN PARODY my art legally 100%.
Usually artist LOVE parody of their work,
Imitation is the highest form of compliment.
But even if the original Artist does not like the PARODY,
there is nothing he can do-- legally.
He can punch the parody artist in nose if they meet at the Grammy-s,, but it never happens.
--------------=============
ME : By what force of nature is it "technically true, to a limited extent"?
ME : Again , I make my Art,
and Once public ,
I will always loose some control,
How you interpret it for one.
=============
YOU :By what force of nature ?
Me : Well here we have to get meta-physical.
Law is man. Thought put on paper. rspected.
The constition itself has no POWER.
It needs the Government.
"Power comes out of the barrel of a gun" -- Mao,
( Sorry Mr. Lennon, sometime even Mao hit one good.)
We elect gov't within the framework of our Constitution, won by rebellion against England ,
and till today fought for by People with guns -
-- who represent our President , Governors , and Mayors , and/or any official who command a police or army force ----
So in the "real world" the "force of nature" is Government Guns and Jails.
We have elections , checks and balances , so the Gov't does not oppress us without our legal consent.
There is always the next election.
If we elect bad leaders , who it to blame?
The People of the Nation.
That is why some nations rise , and some nations fall.
The People.
----------------
What is the "force of nature" above the real materiel world?
Well , either
a] G-d ,
or
b] Objective Morals / Natural law --
--- that guide the people to make government.
----------------------------------
How did i do ?
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And what is wrong with giving up and coming up with something new. Are we bound by archaic laws that makes no sense forever?
No we are not slavery is an example.
But Murder and theft ?
--------------------
YOU :
"And what is wrong with giving up and coming up with something new?"
ME: It is my ART I control it , I need to sell it live and eat.
Sometime I do give it away for free.
My Choice.
The law has ALWAYS protected my choice.
Locke , Jefferson , Madison ans Ayn Rand , all see it my way.
So much so , that Copyrights for Artists,
as in the U.S. Constitution makes the law happen in fact.
Always will. Immutable as Murder , theft , and yes Rape, as always being illegal.
-------------
Like I have said,
You will HAVE TO amend the constitution to do away with copyright.
Have fun you Pirates.
=============
We got the Beatles on our Artist Side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imb4tYOk8GE
The Beatles - Revolution (Live)
in my opinion ,
the best 4 min
of rock n roll ever ,
Right here
watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imb4tYOk8GE
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The reason why we should give up IP laws, or seek to correct them, is partly because there is nothing wrong with infringement.
You can "rape" ART.
Copying "rapes" my Artist control ,when I say ,"no Copies . w/o permission"
It that hard to understand?
It is not for normal & moral, adults and children !!!
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Bugs Bunny & Wile E Coyote - To Hare is Human
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Music Industry Music Industry by Mike Masnick Mon, Jun 7th 2010 11:15am Share This Filed Under: lawsuits, riaa, success Companies: riaa Permalink. Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
yes , alot of people have degrees.
I am not saying i am a Wile Coyote super genius
Just not an academically intellectual moron.
that's all/
Fair point ?
===================
I can't fimd my house keys again?!?
mmm,,,,any body see.....??
thats when our moms go "moron" to us all !!
You con be king of the world , and mom and dad , can still call you a "moron",
and be right.-
-------------------------------
To the fathers of Pirates everywhere :
Happy fathers day soon!
Hi mom !!
=========
"Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIPr23xyoZg
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l I accept to say that you are now officially a joke to me having equated file sharing to rape.
ANS : BOTH ARE ILLEGAL. so is jaywalking.
It is either illegal or legal.
Black or white.
The is no such thing as "almost illegal" in law.
there is no such thing as "almost legal" in law.
But they is way we people called Judges.
They walk , work , and rule , on where the sharp line is between Legal and illegal.
=====================
judge (jj)
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v.tr.
1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
v.intr.
1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.
n.
1. One who judges, especially:
a. One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness:
a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character.
b. Abbr. J. Law A public official who hears and decides cases brought before a court of law.
c. Law A bankruptcy referee.
d. One appointed to decide the winners of a contest or competition.
2. Bible
a. A leader of the Israelites during a period of about 400 years between the death of Joshua and the accession of Saul.
b. Judges (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Judg. or Jgs or Jg See Table at Bible.
[Middle English jugen, from Anglo-Norman juger, from Latin idicre, from idex, idic-, judge; see deik- in Indo-European roots.]
Synonyms: judge, arbitrator, arbiter, referee, umpire
These nouns denote persons who make decisions that determine or settle points at issue. A judge is one capable of making rational, dispassionate, and wise decisions: In this case, the jury members are the judges of the truth.
An arbitrator is either appointed or derives authority from the consent of the disputants: An experienced arbitrator mediated the contract dispute.
An arbiter is one whose opinion or judgment is recognized as being unassailable or binding: The critic considered himself an arbiter of fine literature.
A referee is an attorney appointed by a court to investigate and report on a case: The referee handled many bankruptcy cases each month.
An umpire is a person appointed to settle an issue that arbitrators are unable to resolve: The umpire studied complex tax cases.
In sports referee and umpire refer to officials who enforce the rules and settle points at issue.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Judges [ˈdʒʌdʒɪz]
n
(Christian Religious Writings / Bible) (functioning as singular) the book of the Old Testament recounting the history of Israel under the warrior champions and national leaders known as judges from the death of Joshua to the birth of Samuel
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Old Testament - the collection of books comprising the sacred scripture of the Hebrews and recording their history as the chosen people; the first half of the Christian Bible
Nebiim, Prophets - the second of three divisions of the Hebrew Scriptures
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IP maximists are just control freaks.
ME :::You bet we are.
Art take supreme concentration
and introspection.
No mater the Art.
To be Bob Dylan is ......................
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After all the sweat ,,starving ,,and pain ,,,,,if my ART,, the product of MY "supreme concentration
and introspection",
Is messed with by Pirates,
I IS GONNA BE PISSED.
Good there are laws to protect ARTISTS.
OR maybe the Laws protect the Pirates from me.
This way I do not have to rip the video camera out of their hands, when they film me w/o permission.
===========
I have actually stopped playing my original songs,,
while busking outdoors in Central Park NYC,
because , I cannot control the filming any more .
So , so I am just stuck doing all these Beatles, Dylan , & etc songs out doors. It is a hard life. :)
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Argument Clinic : MONTY PYTHON
Enjoy you Pirate Logic folks
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Where is the harm? Re: Re: Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.As an artist all I can say is that artists control nothing except that which they choose not to share with the world.
Actually on the re-read you are right.
I now say "technically correct,"
----
Good semblance of words you wrote there.
Come back anytime.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Music Industry Music Industry by Mike Masnick Mon, Jun 7th 2010 11:15am Share This Filed Under: lawsuits, riaa, success Companies: riaa Permalink. Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
i think we could become friends here.
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