Their are so many comments though, there just becomes a point where reading all the comments would be physically impossible if he wanted to actually get any work done in a day. Kinda like watching all the videos uploaded onto youtube, it's impossible. :[
Nope. You seem to be stuck on "creativity" being the creativity of just musicians and everything else being consumers. Now I understand that being a "musician" is all your experience with creativity, but their are a lot of things outside of music. Say for example a video game designer wants to create a sequel to his previous successful game, but a large company owns the copyright on the franchise and doesn't think it's worth it to allow him to create it. Creativity stifled. Businesses such as Napster, and I'm talking about the actual business here not the end consumer so bear with me, which offered a new and creative model for musicians to release their music, was sued into oblivion because the older distribution industry was threatened by them, even though Napster ultimately won their case.
For the orphaned and anonymous created works stuck in copyright limbo that go unseen, this does stifile creativity because even if they are not adapted or copied like you say no one wants to do, they can serve as inspiration for new works. Jazz is a very inspirational type of music, so the fact that some of that music is going unheard because of copyright, stifles in a small way Jazz.
Also copying and adapting works goes beyond music as well. Like perhaps an author adapting a Dr. Suessian style to create a piece on political commentary, or a some art that uses pieces of designer purses?
And if mixtapes and remix culture has "been more or less" dealt with, why is music still being taken down and their creators creativity stifled.
ah, perhaps I should clarify and say "all of your own threads you started and never responded to again says a lot of your knowledge of the internet :]"
ah, here's the post you were talking about... you have so many of them it took me forever to find! How do you have so much free time!?
Anyway, my spiel: Copyright,as it stands today, stifles creativity in a variety of ways. It severely limits copying and adaptions of current works, creativity does not exist in a vacuum. Examples include remixes and mixtape culture. Orphaned works that never see the light of day, and works who's owner is not known can be locked away and never seen until the fall into disrepair, or the very medium on which they exist deteriorates. Examples include Jazz recordings caught in copyright limbo. The use of copyright law to to stifle, sometimes outright destroying, competitors or new innovations that threaten older markets. Examples include Veoh.com, and 3-D printing (though that's technically patent law, but don't even get me started on that!)
I assume your use of ambiguous "you" refers to techdirt commenters as a whole.
for point one:
the vast majority of musicians want to keep copyright.
ok we agree on that.
That's an inconvenient truth for you i think? You respect musicians, but when it comes down to it, disrespect most musicians wishes.
There will always be people who pirate, just as their always will be people who shoplift. The key is that the best way to combat piracy is not to fight the fans who pirate but to be awesome to your fans and convince them that it's in their best interest to not pirate their work and to support them instead. Though there are times when piracy is "justified", such as it's the Author's wish. Or if it's not available in your country.
For point two:
There seems to be this idea here that bringing down the music industry and dismantling copyright wont destroy a lot of music industry careers for very ordinary workers on average wages.
If you are ok with abusing musicians for what you see as a greater cause, at least admit it.
No there's not, new innovations always upsets older industries that are no longer needed or aren't up to par with the new market. The Music Distribution and Record Industry are no longer needed. The artists who think they can survive by just creating content will fall behind those who create new and interesting content and engage and build support with those who will pay their content. This isn't "abusing" musicians, it's just what's happening naturally in an over saturated market. Where the songwriters of the past being "abused for the greater good" when the printing press allowed for mass quantities of their work to be distributed like never before, and yes even pirated? No, it was an opportunity! Music writers where able to spread their music to even wider demographics and create more money than ever before. So no I am not "abusing" any musicians for the greater good, those musicians left behind are doing that to themselves.
I don't believe musicians get punished either way so why should I recognize it? you can argue that and I can respond, but if that is someone's position it is their job to bring it to the argument.
"majority" is such a strong word... and relative to what exactly? anonymous commentors? anyone who's ever met Mike? or perhaps the "majority" of people at the RIAA?
It's pretty hard to determine how the majority "see" a person on the internet. Are you going by the number of AC's that post nasty things? that's not a very good indicator.
Yes, their is a world of music outside the RIAA and the big record labels, but regardless the record labels wants to think that they're the center of the music world and want to punish others who think otherwise through awful legislation and copyright hammers. So, I'm glad to have a blog out there that covers things such as bad copyright legislation.
Of course their was "justice", MegaUpload may or may not have done anything they were accused of, but they're filthy pirates so they've probably done something else illegal anyway and they deserve it!
Maybe the government is trying to throw out the case because of technicallities. After realizing how weak their arguement is, they may be trying to get the case thrown out and leave the accusations hanging and "unsolved", rather than actually face Mega in court.
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Nope. You seem to be stuck on "creativity" being the creativity of just musicians and everything else being consumers. Now I understand that being a "musician" is all your experience with creativity, but their are a lot of things outside of music. Say for example a video game designer wants to create a sequel to his previous successful game, but a large company owns the copyright on the franchise and doesn't think it's worth it to allow him to create it. Creativity stifled. Businesses such as Napster, and I'm talking about the actual business here not the end consumer so bear with me, which offered a new and creative model for musicians to release their music, was sued into oblivion because the older distribution industry was threatened by them, even though Napster ultimately won their case.
For the orphaned and anonymous created works stuck in copyright limbo that go unseen, this does stifile creativity because even if they are not adapted or copied like you say no one wants to do, they can serve as inspiration for new works. Jazz is a very inspirational type of music, so the fact that some of that music is going unheard because of copyright, stifles in a small way Jazz.
Also copying and adapting works goes beyond music as well. Like perhaps an author adapting a Dr. Suessian style to create a piece on political commentary, or a some art that uses pieces of designer purses?
And if mixtapes and remix culture has "been more or less" dealt with, why is music still being taken down and their creators creativity stifled.
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And by the way your lack of replies to all of your own threads says a lot of your knowledge of the internet :]
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Anyway, my spiel: Copyright,as it stands today, stifles creativity in a variety of ways. It severely limits copying and adaptions of current works, creativity does not exist in a vacuum. Examples include remixes and mixtape culture. Orphaned works that never see the light of day, and works who's owner is not known can be locked away and never seen until the fall into disrepair, or the very medium on which they exist deteriorates. Examples include Jazz recordings caught in copyright limbo. The use of copyright law to to stifle, sometimes outright destroying, competitors or new innovations that threaten older markets. Examples include Veoh.com, and 3-D printing (though that's technically patent law, but don't even get me started on that!)
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for point one:
the vast majority of musicians want to keep copyright.
ok we agree on that.
That's an inconvenient truth for you i think? You respect musicians, but when it comes down to it, disrespect most musicians wishes.
There will always be people who pirate, just as their always will be people who shoplift. The key is that the best way to combat piracy is not to fight the fans who pirate but to be awesome to your fans and convince them that it's in their best interest to not pirate their work and to support them instead. Though there are times when piracy is "justified", such as it's the Author's wish. Or if it's not available in your country.
For point two:
There seems to be this idea here that bringing down the music industry and dismantling copyright wont destroy a lot of music industry careers for very ordinary workers on average wages.
If you are ok with abusing musicians for what you see as a greater cause, at least admit it.
No there's not, new innovations always upsets older industries that are no longer needed or aren't up to par with the new market. The Music Distribution and Record Industry are no longer needed. The artists who think they can survive by just creating content will fall behind those who create new and interesting content and engage and build support with those who will pay their content. This isn't "abusing" musicians, it's just what's happening naturally in an over saturated market. Where the songwriters of the past being "abused for the greater good" when the printing press allowed for mass quantities of their work to be distributed like never before, and yes even pirated? No, it was an opportunity! Music writers where able to spread their music to even wider demographics and create more money than ever before. So no I am not "abusing" any musicians for the greater good, those musicians left behind are doing that to themselves.
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It's pretty hard to determine how the majority "see" a person on the internet. Are you going by the number of AC's that post nasty things? that's not a very good indicator.
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