"If you buy a basket of strawberries, you don't care about the basket, you want the berries, but you also get the basket as a convenient delivery mechanism."
Using your analogy, if the technology existed to make an exact copy of a basket of berries, you'd be upset that farmers wouldn't get paid what they used to before the technology came along.
If we could do that with any item, whether it's berries, frog legs, or gold, (or Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, or Lady Gaga songs) once you make it infinite, the price will be effectivly zero. Doesn't matter who produced the first basket of goods, once it can be made at no cost, no one will be willing to pay what was once paid. You can argue about that fact all you want, but you'll be arguing against a basic economic principle.
I like how the site has the breakdown of how much the average payment per person has been by platform. When I downloaded it over the weekend Linux users by far contributed the most per DL with Mac second and Win a distant third at around $7 per/DL. That strikes me as interesting since Linux is open source and according to the entertainment industry open source is nothing but people looking for free stuff.
Listen up buddy. If I want to download Metallica's "Enter Sandman" that is the demand. People aren't just downloading any music they can find, they're downloading specific music they seek out. The supply is the file, or disc, or record, or whatever medium supplies that particular song. Which means that if there are an infinite number of any one medium, the supply is infinite. You're the one measuring the wrong thing. This concept shouldn't be that difficult to grasp.
Not motivated by greed? Really? You're saying the person whining about not being paid for overpriced photographs isn't greedy?
Oh, Mike isn't a "laywer" or a lawyer, but he does have an economics degree which allows him to understand the difference between infinite goods and scarce goods, which you obviously have no clue what the difference is. Perhaps you should hit the Econ 101 book and educate yourself to the fact that the world doesn't work how you might necessarily want it to, but as the market dictates.
To those of you getting all worked up about the cop and the cop's family being in danger with the posting of public information: If there are people who would do them harm, they'll do it regardless. If/when that happens then you punish those responsible for the crime committed, not the person who published the information.
Besides, a cop is better equiped to handle a violent criminal who would do them harm than most other people would be.
Remember that nutjob in Seattle last year who killed all those cops at that restaurant? He didn't need to know where they lived to kill them, so if someone makes the decision to kill a particular cop or just random ones, he'll find a way to do it, with or without an address posted on a website's comments.
Exactly. The only way you can be sure of not getting hit with a countersuit is to not sue anyone over patent infringement in the first place. So LG should just keep their lawyers in their pants.
"Mabey" AC didn't feel like wasting a great chunk of his time in responding to an obvious troll who is spewing shite at an unbelievable rate. Not one thing you said made a lick of sense, and everything you said was false.
"Mabey" you sould learn to spell "maybe" if you're going to use that word so often.
"Mabey" you come across as a complete idiot. Meow.
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You're right. My bad. I made the assumption that it was TAM with bad syntax, and didn't realize the AC actually meant that copyright is literally stealing, instead of copyright infringement is stealing. Whoops. I guess I'm the asshole...
I've enjoyed this ethics discussion and want to wade in to it a bit. My take is that the only rights you have are those that government you are under has given you. In America in 1800 slaves didn't have rights except as property. Now we look at that and say "well they should have the same rights free men had." But that's all we can do is look at it and say "they should have those rights." When in reality they didn't.
What ought to be a right and what actually is a right are totally different. Women in most Muslim countries SHOULD have the same rights as men, but they don't. Blacks in the US in the 50's should have had the same rights as whites, but they didn't. However they were able to affect social change that led to the granting of rights by the government. Only then did they have their rights.
"Did you ever stop to think that box office revenues would dramatically increase (MORE!) if ALL file sharing was stopped?"
Did you ever stop to think that file shareing acts as free advertising for these movies driving more people to want to see it on the big screen? I'm sick and tired of these poor arguments that eliminating file sharing will cause people to suddenly pay for the content they weren't willing to pay for when there was file sharing, because you have absolutely NO DATA to suggest that box office revenues WOULD increase if all file sharing stopped.
It's not opinion when Mike has copious amounts of data that disprove what Carnes claims. For whatever reason you ignore basic facts and refuse to see reason while claiming without any data of your own that Mike is wrong. All you ever offer is YOUR personal opinion but claim that Mike is just stateing his, despite the links to study after study and other data that back up what he says.
For Pete's sake even the PRS economist agrees that the music industry as a whole is growning, but you keep tilting at windmills and insisting that everything Mike says is false. Grow up. You're like a child with his fingers in his ears saying "I'm not listening!" when someone is telling you something you don't like. At least admit when you are wrong. Go troll somewhere else for a while.
"nothing is intrinsically good or bad, just the label we place on it. But these labels are very important!!"
Than why are you telling Dark Helmet he's wrong on the island/rape senario? The raping wasn't "bad" according to the men who did it as they apparently placed a "good" label on that. You're applying your Western morals to the senario, whereas someone with a different set of morals might not see anything wrong with taking a woman by force. You've labeled it "bad" and assume that those men must as well, when that might not necessarily be the case. As you just stated "nothing is intrinsically good or bad."
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Using your analogy, if the technology existed to make an exact copy of a basket of berries, you'd be upset that farmers wouldn't get paid what they used to before the technology came along.
If we could do that with any item, whether it's berries, frog legs, or gold, (or Metallica, Jimi Hendrix, or Lady Gaga songs) once you make it infinite, the price will be effectivly zero. Doesn't matter who produced the first basket of goods, once it can be made at no cost, no one will be willing to pay what was once paid. You can argue about that fact all you want, but you'll be arguing against a basic economic principle.
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I don't believe any of these publishers ever used any DRM even when the games were new.
"Then by all means why don't they do this for newly released games?"
Maybe after seeing how well people responded to this bundle, the developers might begin to do this for newly released games.
"by no means are they going to rely on this method again long-term."
And you know this how?
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Can't say Linux users are cheap
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Oh, Mike isn't a "laywer" or a lawyer, but he does have an economics degree which allows him to understand the difference between infinite goods and scarce goods, which you obviously have no clue what the difference is. Perhaps you should hit the Econ 101 book and educate yourself to the fact that the world doesn't work how you might necessarily want it to, but as the market dictates.
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How about punishing the criminals?
Besides, a cop is better equiped to handle a violent criminal who would do them harm than most other people would be.
Remember that nutjob in Seattle last year who killed all those cops at that restaurant? He didn't need to know where they lived to kill them, so if someone makes the decision to kill a particular cop or just random ones, he'll find a way to do it, with or without an address posted on a website's comments.
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Re: AC are you refering to yourself ?
"Mabey" you sould learn to spell "maybe" if you're going to use that word so often.
"Mabey" you come across as a complete idiot. Meow.
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My $.02 on rights
What ought to be a right and what actually is a right are totally different. Women in most Muslim countries SHOULD have the same rights as men, but they don't. Blacks in the US in the 50's should have had the same rights as whites, but they didn't. However they were able to affect social change that led to the granting of rights by the government. Only then did they have their rights.
Feel free to explain how wrong I am...
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Did you ever stop to think that file shareing acts as free advertising for these movies driving more people to want to see it on the big screen? I'm sick and tired of these poor arguments that eliminating file sharing will cause people to suddenly pay for the content they weren't willing to pay for when there was file sharing, because you have absolutely NO DATA to suggest that box office revenues WOULD increase if all file sharing stopped.
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And a mannequin resembles a person, but if you light one on fire you don't go to jail for murder now do you?
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For Pete's sake even the PRS economist agrees that the music industry as a whole is growning, but you keep tilting at windmills and insisting that everything Mike says is false. Grow up. You're like a child with his fingers in his ears saying "I'm not listening!" when someone is telling you something you don't like. At least admit when you are wrong. Go troll somewhere else for a while.
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Than why are you telling Dark Helmet he's wrong on the island/rape senario? The raping wasn't "bad" according to the men who did it as they apparently placed a "good" label on that. You're applying your Western morals to the senario, whereas someone with a different set of morals might not see anything wrong with taking a woman by force. You've labeled it "bad" and assume that those men must as well, when that might not necessarily be the case. As you just stated "nothing is intrinsically good or bad."
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