"Capital punishment doesn't have a place in civil society other than to undo civility. Our system is supposed to be a system of justice not of revenge. If you will, take all of the charged emotion out of the issue and look at it logically. Within every person at any time in their lifetime exists the potential for having either a positive or negative impact on society. When a violent crime has been committed by an individual against others in society, that individual has left a negative impact on society. Capital punishment does nothing to offset that negative impact. At best it could be said that it limits the potential negative impact that the individual can have in the future. However, it also cuts off any possibility of the individual having any positive impact in the future, leaving a negative sum gain permanently. There has to be a better way."
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"Even locking someone up in a supermax facility exposes other citizens (inmates, prison personnel, volunteers, delivery personnel, visitors, etc) to potential harm."
Do you know what the percentage of supermax prisoners have not only escaped, but gone on to commit another violent offense, is? Neither do I, but I know it's so laughably small that it's obviously an acceptable risk when weighed against the far larger percentage of deathrow inmates we've put to death. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that there's a larger percentage of deathrow inmates that have been exonerated on new evidence than supermax prisoners that have broken out of prison. So if you're suggesting one of us is putting innocent people in danger of death, I think you might be guilty of your own accusation....
"These are people that the state has a positive duty to protect."
Excuse the fuck out of me for saying the easily kicked unpopular thing, but the State has a duty to protect ALL citizens basic rights, and that damned well includes the imprisoned.
"Inmates are endlessly inventive when it comes to improvising weapons."
And yet they're apparently terrible at killing people, seeing as the national murder rate in prison is 3 per 100,000. Washington D.C. is literally 6 times higher. Than prison. Where are the prisoners are. Try fucking again.
So for that incredibly tiny percentage of folks, you lock them away forever. Now that we've got that incredibly un-useful part of the argument out of the way, can we go back to dealing with the 99.9999% of the other criminals I was talking about rehabilitating?
You, and everyone advocating for capital punishment, have left out the most important one: rehabilitation. The best result would be to take a criminal and cause them to not commit crimes any longer. Punishment for punishment's sake is just silly and does nothing beneficial for society as a whole. Rehabilitation, on the other hand, has benefits to society to numerable to even list.
That capital punishment is the direct antithesis of rehabilitation is all the proof I need to know it's stupid and should never be done.
You know, essentially the entire industrialized world, other than us and China?
"I find it deplorable that Mr. Geigner would make such a comment about capital punishment because it sounds like he's never been on the receiving end of such violent crimes."
First off, you're wrong about that. Secondly, even if you were right, so what? So we're going to leave the question of whether the state should murder in the name of ALL its citizens up to only those people who have been violent crime victims? I'm sorry you were a victim, but that has nothing to do with capital punishment, which is murder in the name of the citizenry.
Take it a step further and imagine if Mexico was PURPOSEFULLY causing an influx of their citizens in the region specifically to bring it under Mexico's control. THAT'S what Russia did....
This, for anyone who might read it and think that this sounds correct, is a bullshit half-story. Crimea was conquered under Catherine the Great in the late 1700s, after which it remained mostly autonomous until Stalin gobbled it up in the 50s. At that point, there was a concerted effort to influx ethnic Russians into Crimea in order to bring it fully into the Soviet sphere of influence.
That this annexation through breeding succeeded doesn't make the Crimean region rightfully Russian anymore than the influx of immigrants in south Texas makes south Texas Mexico. Crimea was legally part of Ukraine. Russia annexed it. It's that simple.
Give that one time. That said, they were "free" for roughly ten minutes until the new leader turned out to be much like the old leader, and then the military took over to make SURE shit was like it had always been.
That said, Egyptians in general are too proud and too intelligent to let this go on for much longer....
"So Timmy tried to pin this move on conservatives and religous people"
Er, no I didn't. I only said they MIGHT not care much for the targets of these close downs. Try to get your facts right.
Also, idiot, our "liberal" government is still conservative on the global scale and there's plenty of religious liberals, rendering even your fake point completely stupid.
Actually, the problem is that in the rush to picture perps on Twitter, some collateral imaging damage is not unlikely.
You know, that and the fact that their original blog post announcing this showed a woman in handcuffs. But, hey, why let inconvenient facts get in the way of a good rant? Carry on, good buddy!
It's not already in use. Charging different rates for different formats is a far cry from charging based on the playback device. On one hand, the format is part of the product, while the delivery system is not. On a separate note, these price differences are partially to blame for the slow adoption rate of new formats.
Oh, yes, I abuse my wife all the time. Nice smear job, there, chief.
And my wife is a talented, intelligent, moral and religious person. If I were making snide comments and "abusing" her mentally, she'd first kick my ass in an argument and then leave me, as she should in that scenario.
Fortunately, not all of us that have a version of faith are as ignorant and morally repugnant as you. It would taint all people of faith if we were. We are not.
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I may be in love....
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Do you know what the percentage of supermax prisoners have not only escaped, but gone on to commit another violent offense, is? Neither do I, but I know it's so laughably small that it's obviously an acceptable risk when weighed against the far larger percentage of deathrow inmates we've put to death. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that there's a larger percentage of deathrow inmates that have been exonerated on new evidence than supermax prisoners that have broken out of prison. So if you're suggesting one of us is putting innocent people in danger of death, I think you might be guilty of your own accusation....
"These are people that the state has a positive duty to protect."
Excuse the fuck out of me for saying the easily kicked unpopular thing, but the State has a duty to protect ALL citizens basic rights, and that damned well includes the imprisoned.
"Inmates are endlessly inventive when it comes to improvising weapons."
And yet they're apparently terrible at killing people, seeing as the national murder rate in prison is 3 per 100,000. Washington D.C. is literally 6 times higher. Than prison. Where are the prisoners are. Try fucking again.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/06/murder_rate_in_prison_is_it_ safer_to_be_jailed_than_free.html
"This leaves few options at society's disposal when dealing with a particularly determined sort of prisoner."
All kinds of industrialized societies, which I've mentioned above, deal with this just fine. Where's that American exceptionalism when you need it?
"perhaps in such cases the death penalty is actually the least bad of all available options."
Yeah, not even close, since your entire premise was a house of cards to begin with....
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That capital punishment is the direct antithesis of rehabilitation is all the proof I need to know it's stupid and should never be done.
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......such as?
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Norway? Canada? Finland? France? Germany? Ireland? Iceland? Hungary? Greece? Italy? Luxembourg? Monaco? Malta? Poland? Spain? Sweden? Switzerland? The UK?
You know, essentially the entire industrialized world, other than us and China?
"I find it deplorable that Mr. Geigner would make such a comment about capital punishment because it sounds like he's never been on the receiving end of such violent crimes."
First off, you're wrong about that. Secondly, even if you were right, so what? So we're going to leave the question of whether the state should murder in the name of ALL its citizens up to only those people who have been violent crime victims? I'm sorry you were a victim, but that has nothing to do with capital punishment, which is murder in the name of the citizenry.
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That this annexation through breeding succeeded doesn't make the Crimean region rightfully Russian anymore than the influx of immigrants in south Texas makes south Texas Mexico. Crimea was legally part of Ukraine. Russia annexed it. It's that simple.
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That said, Egyptians in general are too proud and too intelligent to let this go on for much longer....
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Er, no I didn't. I only said they MIGHT not care much for the targets of these close downs. Try to get your facts right.
Also, idiot, our "liberal" government is still conservative on the global scale and there's plenty of religious liberals, rendering even your fake point completely stupid.
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You know, that and the fact that their original blog post announcing this showed a woman in handcuffs. But, hey, why let inconvenient facts get in the way of a good rant? Carry on, good buddy!
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And my wife is a talented, intelligent, moral and religious person. If I were making snide comments and "abusing" her mentally, she'd first kick my ass in an argument and then leave me, as she should in that scenario.
Fortunately, not all of us that have a version of faith are as ignorant and morally repugnant as you. It would taint all people of faith if we were. We are not.
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I'll further note that I didn't mention Christians at all in the article. My, the opportunistically offended sure are crazy....
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Well, I have a lot of chances, since I'm married to a wonderful Catholic woman, who doesn't seem to think that's true....
"Notice I didn't even mention conservatives in my statement?"
Um, you said I was leftwing, indicating I was attacking the right wing. But, ooooooh, you so got me? Mmmm, no....
"Almost feel bad for you that you allow something you don't even believe in to stick in your craw so much."
Interesting. Since you seem to know, please tell me exactly what it is that I believe?
"But that is how it goes for bigots."
What have I said that's bigoted?
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