I could be wrong when it comes to large multi-nationals, but corporations generally pay tax on their profit, not their turnover. So that would be after costs and overheads were deducted, wouldn't it?
On top of that the label employs the best accountants who undoubtedly make sure that the maximum amount possible goes on lavish expenses and non-deductables.
It seems to me that although you might have a point about the specific numbers, whichever way you cut it, it still ends up that the label earns millions from the artist but the artist makes very little (40K each band member, bearing in mind that's only on the first album, for subsequent albums they start off in debt, so don't even get that).
So processes are patentable, as in 'take x, apply heat at y degrees for z minutes...', because they change matter (transformation part of the test). And hardware is patentable, as in 'a machine with part a connected to b by c that does d'. But when I have a computer and software that effectively both performs a process on the computer (parts of this are transformed, and there is an output of results) and turns the computer into a specific machine, then this is not patentable? Can anybody explain the logic to me?
I think the difference here is the first is a physical transformation that, for example, takes a bunch of chemicals and turns them into a polymer. Software on a (general purpose) computer can do little more than take some abstract data and transform it into different abstract data - a process that can by definition be represented entirely by mathematics.
I think in order to be a patentable process it needs to extend beyond the abstract, regardless of if or how much software is involved. One could imagine, for example, attaching a peripheral to a computer controlled by software that did some sort of physical transformation. I think there's a case for that to be patentable. Clearly in many such cases you would be using software running on embedded hardware rather than a general purpose PC to achieve this.
The key here IMHO is to look at such hybrid cases and ask where the actual innovation is. If the "Inventive Step" is entirely within the software, then probably that should not be patentable. If on the other hand the software and hardware are integrated in such a way that the Inventive Step can reasonably be said to a apply to the device as a whole, then it could be considered patentable.
My suspicion is this is the sort of distinction that the new NZ law is attempting to make, FWIW.
No, that's the point ... algorithms cannot be patented since they are just maths.
Up to now the thinking has been that software can be patented since when you put it on a computer it performs a concrete task in some sense. That's all up in the air now.
And FYI there's no such thing as an animated PNG ...
Unfortunately I strongly suspect too many people see the words $1MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT!!! and fall over themselves in the rush to sign on the dotted line - and don't find out they've been scammed until much, much later.
Snow White - poisoning, murder, incitement to murder by an authority figure, violence caused by extreme jealousy.
Sleeping Beauty - attempted murder, violent sword fighting resulting in the death of a protagonist.
Hansel and Gretel - Child neglect and abandonment, Advocates excessive violence (murder by burning alive) for alleged defensive purposes.
The Tinder Box - Outright murder without obvious motive, Kidnap, Acts of treason and usurping the throne.
The Ugly Duckling - Childhood abandonment, bullying.
Rapunzel - Stealing, Kidnap, Maiming.
Need I go on? Clearly if you're going to start banning materials unsuitable for minors, you should start with these shameful texts. I suggest building great piles of them and setting them on fire ;-)
> The creator/licensee of the work is asking a price for its use. Either I pay that pay that price or I do without the work
The problem I have is the second statement is an economic argument but not necessarily a moral one.
Suppose we define "morally wrong" to be some action that benefits me at the expense of someone else (in this case the creator). Then you certainly might argue that if I had the means to purchase the work but chose to download it instead, then that would be morally wrong.
However suppose I lacked the means to buy the work, but I believed that by helping to promote the work via p2p it would result in someone else attending a concert that they would not otherwise have considered? Does it then make it morally wrong for me *not* to share the work?
> The way to capitalize on that shifts to him figuring out how to get people to pay, but that isn't her argument, hers is that hopefully somewhere somehow people will pay for what shes taking for free.
Well yes and no. Certainly there is an element of "give it away and pray" to Eleanor's argument, but it isn't entirely without merit.
At first glance it isn't obvious why anyone would pay for a copy when they already have one they downloaded - do they have money to burn? Nevertheless some *do* pay.
The reason they pay is not so much that they are paying for the existing work, but more that they implicitly understand that they are paying to fund the artist's *next* creation.
And you are commenting on a blog post which refers to a tweet which links to a blog post which points to a site which encourages people to violate copyright.
It constantly amazes me that newspapers complain that ad-supported doesn't work on the web, when they barely seem to have given it a proper attempt.
When you go to a front page story online about how the global recession is really starting to bite - and next to it is an advert offering to sell you a new car or a holiday home in the Bahamas - is it any wonder that the model doesn't seem to work too well?
I realise there's scope for problems here (advertising funeral services next the story about the latest murder - probably not such a good idea), but they must able to do
a better job than they seem to do at the moment.
> If you are a decent person you do not have a button with 'notify inappropriate content' to make sure that the thing will be removed soon. So it will stay there for months.
You mean like the Flag icon just below every video?
> It's really quite amusing, while also being horrible,
> that the personal freedoms and liberties of Britons have > been best protected for years now by the unelected body
> of aristocrats in the house of Lords.
Yes it is ironic - although the House of Lords is no longer exclusively populated by true aristocrats - they reformed that some years back.
They also tried to complete the job a couple of years ago IIRC, trying to turn Lords in a 100% elected body - the danger here is unless you're careful you end up with the same party controlling both houses and being able to push through bad stuff like this without any resistance. (Sound familiar?)
Although an elected upper house is theoretically better, in practice the Lords have been very good at keeping the government in check on a number of important issues in the past.
Only if everyone votes for them because they "will almost certainly get in" - that sort of thing is self-fulfilling.
Seriously I really wish I could convince everyone to vote for *Someone Else* next year. Really, I couldn't even care less who people vote for, as long as it's not LAB or CON. It's time we shook things up around here.
If you need an incentive just remember that there were many MPs in both parties abusing the expenses system - and Cameron saying "well guys we'd better give the money back then" *doesn't* make it all right!
Even though I'm sure most people have probably figured it out by now ...
The signs say "Look Left" only on roads such as one way streets where the traffic might be coming from an unexpected direction. We don't usually have signs saying "Look Right" on normal roads!
This could be an interesting case from the POV of recent worrying court judgements which seem to be suggesting that safe harbors only apply if you take a hands-off approach to managing a website and you could be liable if you actively remove infringing material over and above takedown requests.
This clearly makes little sense since it effectively encourages website owners to do nothing to police their sites. One possible useful outcome of this case is if it ended up setting a more sensible precedent.
> Without patents, the big guys can block them out by having monopolies
This is the key. What you're essentially saying here is the little guy needs monopoly control because the big guys already have it. And you're right as far as it goes.
The problem is this does nothing but make a bad situation worse. The real solution is to not only get rid of patents, but also to rid the world of all these other forms of anti-competitive monopoly control as well.
Of course, that's not going to be easy! Ultimately I think it will have to happen eventually, but it won't happen until far more people realise just how broken things are at the moment.
They way these things are actually done is, you submit a patent application describing your specific implementation - then you add a long list of Claims which amount to claiming that every other possible implementation is also covered by your patent.
Then your typical Patent Examiner rubber-stamps it and waves it through with barely a glance because he has a Quota to fill... (OK, I don't actually *know* that last bit is true, but that's the way it seems sometimes :-)
> However, I would have a hard time believing that one of the big films could still make the millions they do if they gave it away for free... So me an example of one of those please.
Well, the nearest thing is probably the Star Wars franchise. Yes it made something like $3 Billion at the box office, but it has to date also made something like 3 times as much in merchandising.
I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't have made just as much (or more) from merch if they had screened the films for free.
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On top of that the label employs the best accountants who undoubtedly make sure that the maximum amount possible goes on lavish expenses and non-deductables.
It seems to me that although you might have a point about the specific numbers, whichever way you cut it, it still ends up that the label earns millions from the artist but the artist makes very little (40K each band member, bearing in mind that's only on the first album, for subsequent albums they start off in debt, so don't even get that).
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I think the difference here is the first is a physical transformation that, for example, takes a bunch of chemicals and turns them into a polymer. Software on a (general purpose) computer can do little more than take some abstract data and transform it into different abstract data - a process that can by definition be represented entirely by mathematics.
I think in order to be a patentable process it needs to extend beyond the abstract, regardless of if or how much software is involved. One could imagine, for example, attaching a peripheral to a computer controlled by software that did some sort of physical transformation. I think there's a case for that to be patentable. Clearly in many such cases you would be using software running on embedded hardware rather than a general purpose PC to achieve this.
The key here IMHO is to look at such hybrid cases and ask where the actual innovation is. If the "Inventive Step" is entirely within the software, then probably that should not be patentable. If on the other hand the software and hardware are integrated in such a way that the Inventive Step can reasonably be said to a apply to the device as a whole, then it could be considered patentable.
My suspicion is this is the sort of distinction that the new NZ law is attempting to make, FWIW.
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Up to now the thinking has been that software can be patented since when you put it on a computer it performs a concrete task in some sense. That's all up in the air now.
And FYI there's no such thing as an animated PNG ...
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Re: Can't believe this...
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Fairy Tales
Sleeping Beauty - attempted murder, violent sword fighting resulting in the death of a protagonist.
Hansel and Gretel - Child neglect and abandonment, Advocates excessive violence (murder by burning alive) for alleged defensive purposes.
The Tinder Box - Outright murder without obvious motive, Kidnap, Acts of treason and usurping the throne.
The Ugly Duckling - Childhood abandonment, bullying.
Rapunzel - Stealing, Kidnap, Maiming.
Need I go on? Clearly if you're going to start banning materials unsuitable for minors, you should start with these shameful texts. I suggest building great piles of them and setting them on fire ;-)
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(Sorry, couldn't resist!)
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> The creator/licensee of the work is asking a price for its use. Either I pay that pay that price or I do without the work
The problem I have is the second statement is an economic argument but not necessarily a moral one.
Suppose we define "morally wrong" to be some action that benefits me at the expense of someone else (in this case the creator). Then you certainly might argue that if I had the means to purchase the work but chose to download it instead, then that would be morally wrong.
However suppose I lacked the means to buy the work, but I believed that by helping to promote the work via p2p it would result in someone else attending a concert that they would not otherwise have considered? Does it then make it morally wrong for me *not* to share the work?
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Well yes and no. Certainly there is an element of "give it away and pray" to Eleanor's argument, but it isn't entirely without merit.
At first glance it isn't obvious why anyone would pay for a copy when they already have one they downloaded - do they have money to burn? Nevertheless some *do* pay.
The reason they pay is not so much that they are paying for the existing work, but more that they implicitly understand that they are paying to fund the artist's *next* creation.
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Clearly this comment should be also be removed.
See how that works?
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Newspapers should try harder with ads
When you go to a front page story online about how the global recession is really starting to bite - and next to it is an advert offering to sell you a new car or a holiday home in the Bahamas - is it any wonder that the model doesn't seem to work too well?
I realise there's scope for problems here (advertising funeral services next the story about the latest murder - probably not such a good idea), but they must able to do
a better job than they seem to do at the moment.
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You mean like the Flag icon just below every video?
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Google's response
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html
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Re: Aristocratic Lords protect liberty
> that the personal freedoms and liberties of Britons have > been best protected for years now by the unelected body
> of aristocrats in the house of Lords.
Yes it is ironic - although the House of Lords is no longer exclusively populated by true aristocrats - they reformed that some years back.
They also tried to complete the job a couple of years ago IIRC, trying to turn Lords in a 100% elected body - the danger here is unless you're careful you end up with the same party controlling both houses and being able to push through bad stuff like this without any resistance. (Sound familiar?)
Although an elected upper house is theoretically better, in practice the Lords have been very good at keeping the government in check on a number of important issues in the past.
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Only if everyone votes for them because they "will almost certainly get in" - that sort of thing is self-fulfilling.
Seriously I really wish I could convince everyone to vote for *Someone Else* next year. Really, I couldn't even care less who people vote for, as long as it's not LAB or CON. It's time we shook things up around here.
If you need an incentive just remember that there were many MPs in both parties abusing the expenses system - and Cameron saying "well guys we'd better give the money back then" *doesn't* make it all right!
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Re: Re: Knight Rider
The signs say "Look Left" only on roads such as one way streets where the traffic might be coming from an unexpected direction. We don't usually have signs saying "Look Right" on normal roads!
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Active Policing
This clearly makes little sense since it effectively encourages website owners to do nothing to police their sites. One possible useful outcome of this case is if it ended up setting a more sensible precedent.
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This is the key. What you're essentially saying here is the little guy needs monopoly control because the big guys already have it. And you're right as far as it goes.
The problem is this does nothing but make a bad situation worse. The real solution is to not only get rid of patents, but also to rid the world of all these other forms of anti-competitive monopoly control as well.
Of course, that's not going to be easy! Ultimately I think it will have to happen eventually, but it won't happen until far more people realise just how broken things are at the moment.
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Re: Patenting an idea
Well, that's the way it *should* work, yes.
They way these things are actually done is, you submit a patent application describing your specific implementation - then you add a long list of Claims which amount to claiming that every other possible implementation is also covered by your patent.
Then your typical Patent Examiner rubber-stamps it and waves it through with barely a glance because he has a Quota to fill... (OK, I don't actually *know* that last bit is true, but that's the way it seems sometimes :-)
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Re: Let's do the math
Well, the nearest thing is probably the Star Wars franchise. Yes it made something like $3 Billion at the box office, but it has to date also made something like 3 times as much in merchandising.
I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't have made just as much (or more) from merch if they had screened the films for free.
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