Even if you're dishonest enough to pretend that people are saying what they're saying because they don't share the same political opinion as Rogan, rather than the more realistic opposition to spreading of outright lies
I have no evidence either way. And don’t care enough to go looking.
See above, other than the fact that everyone in political commentary wants to discuss him, I have no idea who he is or what he says.
There is nothing wrong with the sequence of events
I believe that’s exactly what I said.
There’s much ado about nothing here. This kind of sequence happens all the time.
I’d also point out, though, all this discussion about this man has brought him attention. 6 months ago I didn’t have a clue who he was. Now I know he’s some sort of pod blogger or YouTube guy who got a million dollar deal on Spotify and is allegedly anti vax.
Looks like a variation of the Streisand Effect to me.
You (population) took some talk show guy 99% didn’t know about and thrust him mainstream.
See, this is where I disagree. The very base of supporting free speech is not supporting what you agree with, but the right of existence for what you don’t.
When you agree to drawing lines, someone else comes along and makes a new one just a bit closer in. And eventually you have eroded all free speech options.
Wonder who is actually legally responsible here.
Mazda, that didn’t implement an error routine for damaged files?
Or the station that sent out a damaged (mis/mail-formed file) file that bricked car computers?
Given the timely example, there’d be hell to pay in class actions and corporate suits if TurboTax bricked systems with a bad icon.
As a side pondering, what OS/CS bricks on a missing file extension?
See, you’re ignoring other media actions of the 2000-2010 era.
Look at HD-DVD. Which on paper was generally superior and in future roadmap plans was factually superior. It out sold BD quite well at first.
Then all the major Hollywood studios threw their weight behind BD.
They, studios (via MPAA), even pointed to BD’s mandatory copy protections as a deciding factor in their choice of format to support.
When the major studios stopped releasing VHS the format shrivelled up into the niche base it is today.
DVHS came out and lasted through, the same time period as the end of VHS, the early DVD, BluRay, and HDDVD era. It was vastly superior in every way except 2.
On the consumer side, as with all r2r formats, there is seek delay.
On the DRM side the sole protection, FireWire copy flag, was defeated in the first month.
Now here, I would argue, BD came out not just on top, but alone, because the independents quickly found a way around the requirements (DRM, patents, TMs) with full compatibility.
A format will not survive on Hollywood alone. Nor can it survive with only independents.
According to most reports VHS didn’t drop off the map as a recordable sales number until after bluray became the king.
As such, I call distribution choices the ultimate deciding factor.
As long as VHS copies were available, VHS copies sold.
That’s also a fact.
So I argue that it wasn’t the consumer that made the decision but the distribution.
As for audio, by the end of the SVHS era in the late 2000s options of some titles and players had a digital track as well as the analogue one. This was the transition from SVHS to DTheater era.
And you’ll be hard pressed to tell me h264 in MPTS at 1080 on tape vs disc is noticeable.
Though that defeats the current love for the analogue format: the flat warm image.
And don’t forget the short run of WVHS in the mid 90s at 1080i!
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Except, you literally just described the process by which the DRM check is made.
Actually this is how the DRM is added to the file so no future check online is necessary.
It’s semantics but it is accurate and correct.
It’s the opposer of, say, a video game that goes online each time it’s loaded.
You may be technically correct but you underestimate the devotion of the fan base.
The fact that it’s not just one genre. We all can quickly find new horror on VHS. But there’s sci-fi, fantasy, action, even drama.
The relatively new art genre of video bending.
Your right, there’s no mass production. Or even niche, of machines. Today they’re lovingly hand built from old and new parts by fans, for fans.
like vinyl, VHS (and SVHS) offers something not easily reproduced in digital production. Warm colours. Jitter. Soft visual.
It may be a tiny following. But it’s hardly a gimmick. Not to us.
Here’s a thought to bough. Wouldn’t some sort of international agreement to pick up the litter already out there make a lot of these more thoughts than concerns?
The problem isn’t necessarily the adding of new, it’s the adding of more!
How long are we going to let every person with a rocket randomly crap in the back yard?
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There's no permanency if Amazon's DRM servers going offline or them deciding to revoke the DRM licences as they did with copies of 1984 is still on the table.
Except you don’t need to be online to transfer a book. Nor to read one.
Kindle purchased books don’t have a phone home function. I still use a 4th gen kindle with a dead WiFi adapter. Why? It works! And I like the darker screen.
When I purchase a book I go to my kindle library. Click the little more button and chose download and transfer via USB. Then chose my kindle and download that file. My kindle is incapable of any online verification. And I’m not going to spend $25 on a new Wi-Fi module and the time to replace something I don’t need.
I can save that file. By copying it to my kindle instead of moving it. And I’ve kept a compressed backup of my purchases over the years.
What I can not do is transfer that file to a new kindle and use it. It only works on that one device I download it for.
If I want to use it on another kindle or my phone I have to download it again for the new device. Assuming the title is still available online in my account.
One thing that does come and go without much warning is magazines.
My old CPU subscription is no longer on Amazon.
Nor GoreZone, Fliks, V-Collector.
But I have backups on my computer if I ever want to go back and copy it to my kindle to read something later.
I mentioned the 1984 issue myself. It happened once and Amazon was sued over it. The end result was a ‘promise’ they wouldn’t remove content from devices. Without guaranteed access to the content online later.
There are issues and concerns. But we all need to approach things accurately to push for changes.
Let’s start wit the fact that every complaint about starlink coverage approaches coverage area as if it were big cities.
Or changing systems.?
This isn’t about getting internet to a low income housing project. Or busting up monopolies with more choice.
It’s about getting internet to people who still use a phone line for Internet. If they have a phone line at all.
Nobody company is going to pay to lay fibre across Utah, Montana, Nebraska. When your driveway is 5 miles long and your house is in the woods… nobody cares.
This is an opportunity, as AR Libertarian points out, to get internet to places that have little or no internet coverage.
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Forest…trees et al.
You need to start with accuracy to combat DRM and ownership issues.
You absolutely, undeniably, can download and backup permanently a book from Amazon. For the kindle authorised d vice of your choosing linked to your account.
The issue is using that book file 4 kindle replacements later.
Etc etc.
We need to all be accurate in what can and can not be done to fight effectively.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this the start of a digital backlash
How is the DRM checked if it's present?
Well, with publications, and some video services, the DRM is encoded into the title at the time of download keying it to a certain device or devices. This is a wider deployment of the original WMA and Apple Music idea… for books.
As long as you keep the/an authorised device the file still works even if the source company looses or removes distribution.
You seem to again be ignoring major points.
I’m correcting minor ones. Going into an argument against DRM you should have a good, through, understanding, of what your fighting against.
I assure you their lawyers and explainers and PR people understand the differences.
…Spotify…
That may have changed in the last few years. It’s been a while since I loaded up Spotify. There was a time where storing/uploading files to the service kept those files accessible even on the free level.
Spotify is a fluke in that it doesn’t actually “sell” anything like the others do.
Except Spotify I am only talking about purchasing.
I included Spotify here because the do, or at least did, allow uploading of tracks into private playlists and you have/had permanent access to those files regardless of subscription level.
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Re: Re:
I have no evidence either way. And don’t care enough to go looking.
See above, other than the fact that everyone in political commentary wants to discuss him, I have no idea who he is or what he says.
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Re:
As far as I can read; that’s not what happened here at all.
Spotify made a business decision. No bow forced anything here.
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Re: Re: A legal decision
I believe that’s exactly what I said.
There’s much ado about nothing here. This kind of sequence happens all the time.
I’d also point out, though, all this discussion about this man has brought him attention. 6 months ago I didn’t have a clue who he was. Now I know he’s some sort of pod blogger or YouTube guy who got a million dollar deal on Spotify and is allegedly anti vax.
Looks like a variation of the Streisand Effect to me.
You (population) took some talk show guy 99% didn’t know about and thrust him mainstream.
That’s my point with “this is political”.
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Re: Re: Re:
My response was to the statement “And our free speech allows us to say that Spotify are being assholes to host Rogan”
I may have clicked reply in the wrong spot. Apologies if that was the case.
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Re:
See, this is where I disagree. The very base of supporting free speech is not supporting what you agree with, but the right of existence for what you don’t.
When you agree to drawing lines, someone else comes along and makes a new one just a bit closer in. And eventually you have eroded all free speech options.
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A legal decision
Ultimately: Spotify made a business decision. If you don’t like it go elsewhere.
A few artists decided to gamble publicly on making a (new) name for themselves by pulling their music in protest. That is also their right.
All the hype around this is purely political.
Spotify isn’t going to give up money to make a few washed up artists happy.
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Weighted fault
Wonder who is actually legally responsible here.
Mazda, that didn’t implement an error routine for damaged files?
Or the station that sent out a damaged (mis/mail-formed file) file that bricked car computers?
Given the timely example, there’d be hell to pay in class actions and corporate suits if TurboTax bricked systems with a bad icon.
As a side pondering, what OS/CS bricks on a missing file extension?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don’t know?
See, you’re ignoring other media actions of the 2000-2010 era.
Look at HD-DVD. Which on paper was generally superior and in future roadmap plans was factually superior. It out sold BD quite well at first.
Then all the major Hollywood studios threw their weight behind BD.
They, studios (via MPAA), even pointed to BD’s mandatory copy protections as a deciding factor in their choice of format to support.
When the major studios stopped releasing VHS the format shrivelled up into the niche base it is today.
DVHS came out and lasted through, the same time period as the end of VHS, the early DVD, BluRay, and HDDVD era. It was vastly superior in every way except 2.
On the consumer side, as with all r2r formats, there is seek delay.
On the DRM side the sole protection, FireWire copy flag, was defeated in the first month.
Now here, I would argue, BD came out not just on top, but alone, because the independents quickly found a way around the requirements (DRM, patents, TMs) with full compatibility.
A format will not survive on Hollywood alone. Nor can it survive with only independents.
According to most reports VHS didn’t drop off the map as a recordable sales number until after bluray became the king.
As such, I call distribution choices the ultimate deciding factor.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don’t know?
As long as VHS copies were available, VHS copies sold.
That’s also a fact.
So I argue that it wasn’t the consumer that made the decision but the distribution.
As for audio, by the end of the SVHS era in the late 2000s options of some titles and players had a digital track as well as the analogue one. This was the transition from SVHS to DTheater era.
And you’ll be hard pressed to tell me h264 in MPTS at 1080 on tape vs disc is noticeable.
Though that defeats the current love for the analogue format: the flat warm image.
And don’t forget the short run of WVHS in the mid 90s at 1080i!
On the post: Analog Books Go From Strength To Strength: Helped, Not Hindered, By The Digital World
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this the start of
Actually this is how the DRM is added to the file so no future check online is necessary.
It’s semantics but it is accurate and correct.
It’s the opposer of, say, a video game that goes online each time it’s loaded.
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More mugs!
What is the current thing of politicians releasing coffee mugs. Clinton just released one too. And there’s some dozen more that I know of.
Like they all suddenly think coffee mugs sell better than shirts and fingers and hats.
Well… do they?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don’t know?
You may be technically correct but you underestimate the devotion of the fan base.
The fact that it’s not just one genre. We all can quickly find new horror on VHS. But there’s sci-fi, fantasy, action, even drama.
The relatively new art genre of video bending.
Your right, there’s no mass production. Or even niche, of machines. Today they’re lovingly hand built from old and new parts by fans, for fans.
like vinyl, VHS (and SVHS) offers something not easily reproduced in digital production. Warm colours. Jitter. Soft visual.
It may be a tiny following. But it’s hardly a gimmick. Not to us.
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Re: Re: Fiber isn't a fix
You cover some good points.
Here’s a thought to bough. Wouldn’t some sort of international agreement to pick up the litter already out there make a lot of these more thoughts than concerns?
The problem isn’t necessarily the adding of new, it’s the adding of more!
How long are we going to let every person with a rocket randomly crap in the back yard?
On the post: Analog Books Go From Strength To Strength: Helped, Not Hindered, By The Digital World
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this the start of a digit
Except you don’t need to be online to transfer a book. Nor to read one.
Kindle purchased books don’t have a phone home function. I still use a 4th gen kindle with a dead WiFi adapter. Why? It works! And I like the darker screen.
When I purchase a book I go to my kindle library. Click the little more button and chose download and transfer via USB. Then chose my kindle and download that file. My kindle is incapable of any online verification. And I’m not going to spend $25 on a new Wi-Fi module and the time to replace something I don’t need.
I can save that file. By copying it to my kindle instead of moving it. And I’ve kept a compressed backup of my purchases over the years.
What I can not do is transfer that file to a new kindle and use it. It only works on that one device I download it for.
If I want to use it on another kindle or my phone I have to download it again for the new device. Assuming the title is still available online in my account.
One thing that does come and go without much warning is magazines.
My old CPU subscription is no longer on Amazon.
Nor GoreZone, Fliks, V-Collector.
But I have backups on my computer if I ever want to go back and copy it to my kindle to read something later.
I mentioned the 1984 issue myself. It happened once and Amazon was sued over it. The end result was a ‘promise’ they wouldn’t remove content from devices. Without guaranteed access to the content online later.
There are issues and concerns. But we all need to approach things accurately to push for changes.
On the post: NASA Says 2nd Gen Starlink Satellites Will Cause Headaches For NASA, Hubble
Net forward
Let’s start wit the fact that every complaint about starlink coverage approaches coverage area as if it were big cities.
Or changing systems.?
This isn’t about getting internet to a low income housing project. Or busting up monopolies with more choice.
It’s about getting internet to people who still use a phone line for Internet. If they have a phone line at all.
Nobody company is going to pay to lay fibre across Utah, Montana, Nebraska. When your driveway is 5 miles long and your house is in the woods… nobody cares.
This is an opportunity, as AR Libertarian points out, to get internet to places that have little or no internet coverage.
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Re: Facepalm
The next president comes along and I does it. As nearly always happens.
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Facepalm
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Re: 1st Amendment?
That crossed my mind as well. There’s limitations on acceptable limitations of religious practices.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this the start of a digital backl
Forest…trees et al.
You need to start with accuracy to combat DRM and ownership issues.
You absolutely, undeniably, can download and backup permanently a book from Amazon. For the kindle authorised d vice of your choosing linked to your account.
The issue is using that book file 4 kindle replacements later.
Etc etc.
We need to all be accurate in what can and can not be done to fight effectively.
On the post: Analog Books Go From Strength To Strength: Helped, Not Hindered, By The Digital World
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this the start of a digital backlash
Well, with publications, and some video services, the DRM is encoded into the title at the time of download keying it to a certain device or devices. This is a wider deployment of the original WMA and Apple Music idea… for books.
As long as you keep the/an authorised device the file still works even if the source company looses or removes distribution.
I’m correcting minor ones. Going into an argument against DRM you should have a good, through, understanding, of what your fighting against.
I assure you their lawyers and explainers and PR people understand the differences.
That may have changed in the last few years. It’s been a while since I loaded up Spotify. There was a time where storing/uploading files to the service kept those files accessible even on the free level.
Spotify is a fluke in that it doesn’t actually “sell” anything like the others do.
Except Spotify I am only talking about purchasing.
I included Spotify here because the do, or at least did, allow uploading of tracks into private playlists and you have/had permanent access to those files regardless of subscription level.
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