Re: Q: Who wants their Content stolen by another person and then they claim it's theirs and you lose your claim on it./// A: First of all, it's not stealing.
"I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights and my right to produce art with free political expression.": Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
MIKE to ME : Oh, fine. One more, because this is just so idiotic:
"I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights and my right to produce art with free political expression."
-------------------------
ME : I do stand by my words that :: " I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights,, AND ALSO "my Right" to "produce art" with "free political expression."
I think:
*Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn [1973 "The Gulag Archipelago"],
*Dr King , ["Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." in "Letter from Birmingham Jail"],
, and many more ,,
---Would agree with me 100% on :: " I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights,, AND ALSO "my Right" to "produce art" with "free political expression."
---------------------------------
--
MY POINT to you MIKE : you have no Core Principles., which is what MLK meant when he said :
"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live." --
-- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
-------------------------------
ME to MIKE ::
If you MIKE,,, cannot understand why,,
I would DIE to protect my right,,
to express myself freely through my ART ,,
and ALSO to protect
that beautiful "Copyright Clause" of the USA Constitution"
that protects my" ARTISTIC CONTROL" of my Art,,
Well mike if you cannot understand it ,, Why , these RIGHTS mean so much , that I will "Die for to protect my RIGHTS" ,, for you to say to me :
"this is just so idiotic:" to say that ,,,,
Well Mike --- you really are a very small man ,
with a very small mind ,
and with a very empty heart.
A Pirate by all definition of the term , past & present.
=====================================================
And to tell you the truth, if you ask most musicians what is more important to them: copyright law changes or affordable health care, they will say health care.
Me : So true . Great posts SL -- every single well phrased word and clause.
Re: Re: Where did you get your law degree, TP?/// You have no law degree. You are clueless in the law
MIKE :You have no law degree. You are clueless in the law.
Me: clearly I am not , you just do not like my answer. I do have full references available on my "law " "background & acumen" if you'd like to see them.
About a hundred people have already pointed this out to you: copyright has NOTHING to do with artist control.
ANS: 100 techdirt Pirates -- who cares ?
Copyright is about Artist control.. Most artist have no $$$ , and i are due not $$ often for infringement.
If some dude films me playing an original song I have written , then posts it on you tube w/o my permission,,i seek no $$$$ ,, just that the video be removed from public view -- as I control who sees my Art and in what forum -- that is COPY RIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!
Besides I addressed this situation in previous posts (not with Bruce, but with two other artists who got upset with McCain). If you don't know how to use a search engine, I am not here to help you with that either.
ans : actually at this stage , I do . I despise insolence -- and you are one of the worst I have ever encountered.. I jave made every effort to keep our debate , good nature , fun, and open.-- and never personalized. I attack your views --but NEVER YOU ,, but you Mike are also the one to go ballistic first and attack me personally.
MIKE :You do not want to meet me in court.
ME : Again , actually at this stage , I do . Your move.
( If you need my home physical mailing address , I can email to you ,, or just use the "submit a story" link here to send to you .
Re: Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
MIKE :"Do not make bogus legal threats you cannot carry out. You do not want to meet me in court."
Me : as Mr. Spock would/did "Vulcans NEVER bluff" **-- neither do I --ever.
=======================================
**The Doomsday Machine (Star Trek: The Original Series) - Wikipedia ...
to Spock's "Vulcans never bluff" scene, much of the fighting between Commodore Decker and the security guard in the corridor, as well as truncating the ...
Plot - Music - 40th Anniversary remastering - Reception
en.wikipedia.org/.../The_Doomsday_Machine_(TOS_episode) -
Re: Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
" MIKE :I do not defend the right to download illegally. I do not do it. I never have."
Me : you do like circumventing though--- and while you have never written the words directly -- A world w/o copyright is a world that would make you happy . Willing to fight and die for it?
MIKE :I do not defend the right to download illegally. I do not do it. I never have.
Me : then what exactly are we debating here??? , if not your lack of respect for copyrights , and belief that they make the world a worse place for you Mike economically??
Clearly you have no interest in learning. I will not respond to you further.
MIKE :Clearly you have no interest in learning. I will not respond to you further.
ME : Strange , I have every interest in learning , that is why , I have sincerely asked you for 2 weeks to explain your position on "Bruce vs. McCain 2008" -- so I can better understand you viewpoint. How can you tell me ,I have no interest in learning .
MIKE : I will not respond to you further.
Me : 10 X , you have said that , to me , and to SL , and to Daryl,,,,, but you ALWAYS still ans. Just shows your pissy , flighty character.
Re: Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
MIKE :"Sure, because you don't seem to actually have a job or work to do, or 10,000 other people asking comments -- many of whom are not ignorant like you are."
Me : 1] you only know about me , what i post online. I work form home ,, keep strange artist's hours -- it is 3:15 am EST , now ,
2] I am nearing the semi-retirement mode of live , to give myself more free time do my Art (music ) AND my Soul ( rabbi stuff)
3] Again dismissive shallow comments from you Mike. Rants of a Madman , not a reasoned debater with a good cause
TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
Mike : "TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions."
ME ::The "Bruce question " is pretty much the core of what we are debating here on copyright.
I answer ALL your questions to me , Mike ,, in good faith ,, and in full , in an effort to keep our debate healthy and honest for all your readers.
You failure to ans. the "Bruce Question" to me simply shows how much you will duck a fair fight.
Dismissive comments , do not answer questions NOR further good positive debate on public policy.
---------------
I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights and my right to produce art with free political expression.
Can you Mike , say the same for your "right" to "download illegally" , "infringe copyrights" and "circumvent" tech locks ??
Would you put your life on the line to defend or further your "just" cause?
----------------------------
Mike :"As for 3 examples of artists who died broke, how's about you learn the difference between correlation and causation before you make an even bigger fool of yourself."
ME :If by that you mean that the 3 artists ( Vinny , Poe , Forster) , also had mental & drug problems -- so what ?
They died BROKE-- that is the point.
-------------------------------
You Mike are grasping at straws.
Instead of meeting a fair challenge : Bruce vs. McCain ---- you simply go off on tangents attacking ME directly -- my education , legal background , my support of SL's words.
But you won't step into the "ring" and debate me fair,, square,, and moderated on copyright.
Any time Mike , any place , any forum.
I challenge you for a moderated and witnessed debate on "copyrights --- Re: Artist's rights."
------==========
P.S. --Oh yeah ,, now that I have warned you that "jokes" about my dyslexia are not only "out of line" , BUT in my opinion "criminal harassment",,
SO if it happens again w/o you "moderating the comment", or "disavowing it" with a post ,,,, I will contact attorneys.
I would LOVE to meet you in court on that issue. I would even do it without a lawyer :)
I have been slaying , "Whale Killers" , "Oil Spiller-s ", "Rotten Landlords" and "Pirates" ,,for breakfast ----for a long time now -- (see my resume) --- you would be just another day at the office.
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Re: Re: I am still amazed that any musician works with you when you seem to wish they all go out of business.
Again Mike ,, it ain;t about money -- i.e.- becoming rich w/ art.
It is about getting it out there to be seen and heard by as many people as possible - while STILL maintaining full Artistic Control as allowed by copyright.
SL has to make a living too. So do I .
But just making Art to get rich ,, no.
I make my Art , in sickness and health , through rich and poor , and till death do we part -me and my art.
SL shares that philosophy.
We have become good cyber-buddies through out meeting here- facebook , linkedin ,, We email several times daily now sometimes, exchanging links and research on Music and stuff.
I trust her with my Artist interests.
( but yes I got a cousin who does law ,, some things like contracts -- family only lawyers. Trust no one -- to paraphrase John Lennon who said :" Do not sign anything unless the person who wrote the contract is both a lawyer and your brother.")
----------------------
and when are you going to finish your homework MIKE , and do my Bruce vs. John McCain 2008 question?
1] Till recently many states did not require law school to
take the state bar exam. Well all know Clan ace Darrow , and Honest Abe did not got to law school ,, but were great lawyers.
2] Constitutional law , is a sub-discipline of Political Science. Many constitutional law professors ARE NOT lawyers.
3] Law school is as much about court procedures and the logistics of being a lawyer , as it is the Law , and legal theory itself.
4] I do not like school ,, I ain't going to law school ,after just finishing 8 years of college. I do not want to be a lawyer either [ sorry mom :( ],, BUT i still keep up with Supreme court decisions, and I enjoy reading them in full -- esp 1st admend stuff,, and that 4th admend stuff that happen this week past with police issues cellphones . ( I thought it was a good decision) http://technopoliticalscience.blogspot.com/search/label/Supreme%20Court
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Now spefics on my legal backround:
When I was head of a major tenants Group here in NYC , during the early 1990's -- see resume links in my techdirt profile -- I functioned as "staff attorney",, as I knew housing law as well as the lawyers,, I always read the court decisions relative to or case , and then returned my comment filled copy bacl to our tenant lawyers. No one questioned my skills. Our case was part of a LANDMARK New york city housing law case ( see my resume)
As well ,, I spend 6 years on staff @ NYPIRG, the flagship of the PIRG network-- i was surrounded by lawyers , and always picked their brains,
P lus I a got few judges as friends , a law school Dean too, and more lawyers than I care to admit as freinds ( a feww are "Rabbi-lawyers" so they are cool by me )-------, AND they treat as a legal peer when we talk law.
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Re: Re: Re: There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.My posts are fair use 100%
My posts are fair use 100% ( 100 X over too.)
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I don't know ANY musician who consumes less of others' music because he/she can create their own.
ME : besides being a poorly written sentence ,, your point is also faulty.
I perform "bob dylan" and "beatle" songs because I WANT to ,, not because I have too.
I got plenty of my own stuff.
So does dylan , so does the beatles,, but both Bob and the Fab Four , cover many other artists -- for pure fun of the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPp3eCjGE4
The Beatles - You Really Got a Hold on me (Rehearsal)
On the post: Content Creators Coming To Terms With The Fact That Their Works Will Be Shared
Re: Q: Who wants their Content stolen by another person and then they claim it's theirs and you lose your claim on it./// A: First of all, it's not stealing.
On the post: Content Creators Coming To Terms With The Fact That Their Works Will Be Shared
"I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights and my right to produce art with free political expression.": Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
"I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights and my right to produce art with free political expression."
-------------------------
ME : I do stand by my words that :: " I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights,, AND ALSO "my Right" to "produce art" with "free political expression."
I think:
*Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn [1973 "The Gulag Archipelago"],
*Dr King , ["Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." in "Letter from Birmingham Jail"],
, and many more ,,
---Would agree with me 100% on :: " I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights,, AND ALSO "my Right" to "produce art" with "free political expression."
---------------------------------
--
MY POINT to you MIKE : you have no Core Principles., which is what MLK meant when he said :
"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live." --
-- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
-------------------------------
ME to MIKE ::
If you MIKE,,, cannot understand why,,
I would DIE to protect my right,,
to express myself freely through my ART ,,
and ALSO to protect
that beautiful "Copyright Clause" of the USA Constitution"
that protects my" ARTISTIC CONTROL" of my Art,,
Well mike if you cannot understand it ,, Why , these RIGHTS mean so much , that I will "Die for to protect my RIGHTS" ,, for you to say to me :
"this is just so idiotic:" to say that ,,,,
Well Mike --- you really are a very small man ,
with a very small mind ,
and with a very empty heart.
A Pirate by all definition of the term , past & present.
=====================================================
On the post: Are Bad Copyright Laws Killing Jazz And Harming Jazz Musicians?
This is not the best place to see balanced discussions.
ME : I know ,, too bad -- because it could be ,,,,if Mike was really a truth-seeker , as opposed to an (falsely inflated ) egomaniac
On the post: Are Bad Copyright Laws Killing Jazz And Harming Jazz Musicians?
And to tell you the truth, if you ask most musicians what is more important to them: copyright law changes or affordable health care, they will say health care.
On the post: Are Bad Copyright Laws Killing Jazz And Harming Jazz Musicians?
Re: Re: Where did you get your law degree, TP?/// You have no law degree. You are clueless in the law
Me: clearly I am not , you just do not like my answer. I do have full references available on my "law " "background & acumen" if you'd like to see them.
On the post: Are Bad Copyright Laws Killing Jazz And Harming Jazz Musicians?
About a hundred people have already pointed this out to you: copyright has NOTHING to do with artist control.
Copyright is about Artist control.. Most artist have no $$$ , and i are due not $$ often for infringement.
If some dude films me playing an original song I have written , then posts it on you tube w/o my permission,,i seek no $$$$ ,, just that the video be removed from public view -- as I control who sees my Art and in what forum -- that is COPY RIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!
On the post: Are Bad Copyright Laws Killing Jazz And Harming Jazz Musicians?
Besides I addressed this situation in previous posts (not with Bruce, but with two other artists who got upset with McCain). If you don't know how to use a search engine, I am not here to help you with that either.
Welcome to "face the Nation" -- TP style
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Re: Re: Re: Re: There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.
why duck this one?
Because it would expose your not -so-well- "hidden" agenda -- which is to KILL COPYRIGHT.
It you put in so many words,, techdirt , would sink , and the media would be all over you.
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You are embarrassing yourself badly.
You can say I am wrong all you want -- who cares --PROVE it ,,in a full formal debate forum.
MIKE :
You are embarrassing yourself badly.
Me : to who ? Pirates?
I stand by every word I write -- with Pride and Comfort
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You do not want to meet me in court.
MIKE :You do not want to meet me in court.
ME : Again , actually at this stage , I do . Your move.
( If you need my home physical mailing address , I can email to you ,, or just use the "submit a story" link here to send to you .
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Re: Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
Me : as Mr. Spock would/did "Vulcans NEVER bluff" **-- neither do I --ever.
=======================================
**The Doomsday Machine (Star Trek: The Original Series) - Wikipedia ...
to Spock's "Vulcans never bluff" scene, much of the fighting between Commodore Decker and the security guard in the corridor, as well as truncating the ...
Plot - Music - 40th Anniversary remastering - Reception
en.wikipedia.org/.../The_Doomsday_Machine_(TOS_episode) -
On the post: Content Creators Coming To Terms With The Fact That Their Works Will Be Shared
Re: Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
Me : you do like circumventing though--- and while you have never written the words directly -- A world w/o copyright is a world that would make you happy . Willing to fight and die for it?
MIKE :I do not defend the right to download illegally. I do not do it. I never have.
Me : then what exactly are we debating here??? , if not your lack of respect for copyrights , and belief that they make the world a worse place for you Mike economically??
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Clearly you have no interest in learning. I will not respond to you further.
ME : Strange , I have every interest in learning , that is why , I have sincerely asked you for 2 weeks to explain your position on "Bruce vs. McCain 2008" -- so I can better understand you viewpoint. How can you tell me ,I have no interest in learning .
MIKE : I will not respond to you further.
Me : 10 X , you have said that , to me , and to SL , and to Daryl,,,,, but you ALWAYS still ans. Just shows your pissy , flighty character.
On the post: Content Creators Coming To Terms With The Fact That Their Works Will Be Shared
Re: Re: TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
Me : 1] you only know about me , what i post online. I work form home ,, keep strange artist's hours -- it is 3:15 am EST , now ,
2] I am nearing the semi-retirement mode of live , to give myself more free time do my Art (music ) AND my Soul ( rabbi stuff)
3] Again dismissive shallow comments from you Mike. Rants of a Madman , not a reasoned debater with a good cause
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TP, I don't need to answer every one of your ridiculous asinine questions.
ME ::The "Bruce question " is pretty much the core of what we are debating here on copyright.
I answer ALL your questions to me , Mike ,, in good faith ,, and in full , in an effort to keep our debate healthy and honest for all your readers.
You failure to ans. the "Bruce Question" to me simply shows how much you will duck a fair fight.
Dismissive comments , do not answer questions NOR further good positive debate on public policy.
---------------
I would die ,, sacrifice my life , to protect my civil rights and my right to produce art with free political expression.
Can you Mike , say the same for your "right" to "download illegally" , "infringe copyrights" and "circumvent" tech locks ??
Would you put your life on the line to defend or further your "just" cause?
----------------------------
Mike :"As for 3 examples of artists who died broke, how's about you learn the difference between correlation and causation before you make an even bigger fool of yourself."
ME :If by that you mean that the 3 artists ( Vinny , Poe , Forster) , also had mental & drug problems -- so what ?
They died BROKE-- that is the point.
-------------------------------
You Mike are grasping at straws.
Instead of meeting a fair challenge : Bruce vs. McCain ---- you simply go off on tangents attacking ME directly -- my education , legal background , my support of SL's words.
But you won't step into the "ring" and debate me fair,, square,, and moderated on copyright.
Any time Mike , any place , any forum.
I challenge you for a moderated and witnessed debate on "copyrights --- Re: Artist's rights."
------==========
P.S. --Oh yeah ,, now that I have warned you that "jokes" about my dyslexia are not only "out of line" , BUT in my opinion "criminal harassment",,
SO if it happens again w/o you "moderating the comment", or "disavowing it" with a post ,,,, I will contact attorneys.
I would LOVE to meet you in court on that issue. I would even do it without a lawyer :)
I have been slaying , "Whale Killers" , "Oil Spiller-s ", "Rotten Landlords" and "Pirates" ,,for breakfast ----for a long time now -- (see my resume) --- you would be just another day at the office.
-------------------
Have a nice day. :)
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Re: Re: I am still amazed that any musician works with you when you seem to wish they all go out of business.
It is about getting it out there to be seen and heard by as many people as possible - while STILL maintaining full Artistic Control as allowed by copyright.
SL has to make a living too. So do I .
But just making Art to get rich ,, no.
I make my Art , in sickness and health , through rich and poor , and till death do we part -me and my art.
SL shares that philosophy.
We have become good cyber-buddies through out meeting here- facebook , linkedin ,, We email several times daily now sometimes, exchanging links and research on Music and stuff.
I trust her with my Artist interests.
( but yes I got a cousin who does law ,, some things like contracts -- family only lawyers. Trust no one -- to paraphrase John Lennon who said :" Do not sign anything unless the person who wrote the contract is both a lawyer and your brother.")
----------------------
and when are you going to finish your homework MIKE , and do my Bruce vs. John McCain 2008 question?
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Where did you get your law degree, TP?
ME : Interesting that you ask.
1st some points:
1] Till recently many states did not require law school to
take the state bar exam. Well all know Clan ace Darrow , and Honest Abe did not got to law school ,, but were great lawyers.
2] Constitutional law , is a sub-discipline of Political Science. Many constitutional law professors ARE NOT lawyers.
3] Law school is as much about court procedures and the logistics of being a lawyer , as it is the Law , and legal theory itself.
4] I do not like school ,, I ain't going to law school ,after just finishing 8 years of college. I do not want to be a lawyer either [ sorry mom :( ],, BUT i still keep up with Supreme court decisions, and I enjoy reading them in full -- esp 1st admend stuff,, and that 4th admend stuff that happen this week past with police issues cellphones . ( I thought it was a good decision)
http://technopoliticalscience.blogspot.com/search/label/Supreme%20Court
-------------- -------------
Now spefics on my legal backround:
When I was head of a major tenants Group here in NYC , during the early 1990's -- see resume links in my techdirt profile -- I functioned as "staff attorney",, as I knew housing law as well as the lawyers,, I always read the court decisions relative to or case , and then returned my comment filled copy bacl to our tenant lawyers. No one questioned my skills. Our case was part of a LANDMARK New york city housing law case ( see my resume)
As well ,, I spend 6 years on staff @ NYPIRG, the flagship of the PIRG network-- i was surrounded by lawyers , and always picked their brains,
P lus I a got few judges as friends , a law school Dean too, and more lawyers than I care to admit as freinds ( a feww are "Rabbi-lawyers" so they are cool by me )-------, AND they treat as a legal peer when we talk law.
-----------------------
Answer your question ?
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Re: Re: Re: There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.My posts are fair use 100%
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And where is your TechDirt POSTING POLICY ????
I would like to read it !!!!!
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Re: Re: There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.
these are "copied" form non-comercial educational purposed only webites.
I give full citation.
they copyright their work, for CREDIT academically,,, not for $$$
My posts are fair use 10%
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And while we are here , you still have not answered by "Bruce Springsteen vs. John McCain" pop quiz.
Did Bruce have the :
Legal ?
Moral ?
Natural?
and/or G-D Given RIGHT ?
to tell the McCain 2008 gang ,
Not to use his songs.
Please explain your points fully , with direct citations from "SCOTUS decisions", "law", and "major philosophers"
------------------------------
Your failure to answer this pretty simple COPYRIGHT question -- for 2 weeks now ---,shows you are afraid to post you answer.
Why ?
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