Mike :"Wrong market. Let's look at the majority of people who come up against those laws. Let's look at the majority of people who consume music today. What percentage of them get their music for free?"
Why don't you do some real research for once ,, and find the FACTS to support your feeble & immoral pro-piracy platform.
You Pirates here would never let me escape with an unsubstantiated comment like that , Mike
Still ducking the Moral Principle issue ,, you are Mike .
Techdirt & co,,, should give up their quest to weaken or abolish copyright.
Anti-Pirates are defending an establish right -- COPYRIGHTS.
Life is about defending rights from those who wish to destroy them
I think Jefferson , Thomas Paine , and their gang of rebels against King George would agree .
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The Rev Martin Luther King once said," if a man has not found anything worth dying for, he is not fit to live."
Proabition banned "Victimless Crime ",, drinking boooze. (people do crime with or w/o booze)
Copyright infringement is not a victimless crime, as it is often portrayed, added Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican.
"Piracy denies individuals who have invested in the creation and production of these goods a return on their investment thus reducing the incentive to invest in innovative products and new creative works," he said in a statement. "The end result is the loss of billions of dollars in revenue for the U.S. each year and even greater losses to the U.S. economy in terms of reduced job growth and exports."
"Copyright infringement is not a victimless crime, as it is often portrayed, added Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican.
"Piracy denies individuals who have invested in the creation and production of these goods a return on their investment thus reducing the incentive to invest in innovative products and new creative works," he said in a statement. "The end result is the loss of billions of dollars in revenue for the U.S. each year and even greater losses to the U.S. economy in terms of reduced job growth and exports."
"Our nation and our economy is what it is today, because of the ingenuity and ideas of our people -- ideas that have been safeguarded through strong intellectual property rights protections," Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican."
"What the patent and copyright laws acknowledge is the paramount role of mental effort in the production of material values; these laws protect the mind’s contribution in its purest form: the origination of an idea. The subject of patents and copyrights is intellectual property.
An idea as such cannot be protected until it has been given a material form. An invention has to be embodied in a physical model before it can be patented; a story has to be written or printed. But what the patent or copyright protects is not the physical object as such, but the idea which it embodies. By forbidding an unauthorized reproduction of the object, the law declares, in effect, that the physical labor of copying is not the source of the object’s value, that that value is created by the originator of the idea and may not be used without his consent; thus the law establishes the property right of a mind to that which it has brought into existence.
It is important to note, in this connection, that a discovery cannot be patented, only an invention. A scientific or philosophical discovery, which identifies a law of nature, a principle or a fact of reality not previously known, cannot be the exclusive property of the discoverer because: (a) he did not create it, and (b) if he cares to make his discovery public, claiming it to be true, he cannot demand that men continue to pursue or practice falsehoods except by his permission. He can copyright the book in which he presents his discovery and he can demand that his authorship of the discovery be acknowledged, that no other man appropriate or plagiarize the credit for it—but he cannot copyright theoretical knowledge. Patents and copyrights pertain only to the practical application of knowledge, to the creation of a specific object which did not exist in nature—an object which, in the case of patents, may never have existed without its particular originator; and in the case of copyrights, would never have existed.
The government does not “grant” a patent or copyright, in the sense of a gift, privilege, or favor; the government merely secures it—i.e., the government certifies the origination of an idea and protects its owner’s exclusive right of use and disposal."
As an objection to the patent laws, some people cite the fact that two inventors may work independently for years on the same invention, but one will beat the other to the patent office by an hour or a day and will acquire an exclusive monopoly, while the loser’s work will then be totally wasted. This type of objection is based on the error of equating the potential with the actual. The fact that a man might have been first, does not alter the fact that he wasn’t. Since the issue is one of commercial rights, the loser in a case of that kind has to accept the fact that in seeking to trade with others he must face the possibility of a competitor winning the race, which is true of all types of competition.
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Re: Re: US Lawmakers Target The Pirate Bay, Other Sites
Pretty clear I think. Mike is always talking about the bad state of the music biz. Piracy contributes to that.
Media entertainment , has to spend $$ fighting Pirates,, when they could be using that $$$ in making new Bugs Bunny cartoons or etc , and whatever.
Pretty clear.
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Quit your "Pirate Logic" , to paraphrase Steely Dan
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Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam in Captain Hareblower
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Re: Re: It really does make you wonder why the MPAA and the RIAA have bothered with all of this. It hasn't even remotely slowed file sharing down.
You are on!! but i would rather go after the producers of the movie. And i will bring my anti-pirate hero bugs Bunny with me.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3274382137005127076#
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Re: When will they learn? Instead of trying to fine and jail pirates they should turn us into paying customers (or advertising targets).?
The onus is on the criminal ( Pirates ) to reform themselves.
The onus is not on society to surrender or bend to Pirates
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Re: Screw Em! : I can barely get through the month and pay my bills, If i could not pirate em' I would not even watch them at all.
ans : So your are saying poverty excuses crime ? I bet you shoplift too !!
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The MPAA and RIAA are the strong arms of the music and movie industry. They can't be bargained nor reasoned with
Ans : Still more Pirate Logic, no facts ,, just baseless premise
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More silly Pirate Logic
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Re: File Sharing does NOT = lost sales
ANS: no facts there ,, just a weak point. Pirate Logic.
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30% of the U.S. population will go to jail sometime in their lifetimes that is scary and the reason is political incompetence to have sane laws.
Kill the Pirates. on land , on sea,, or online.
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Making your customers angry will only result in losses.
We don't serve Pirates here !!! Go to some outlaw bar, this is a family biz.
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Or are you seriously arguing that this fight had positive net results?
Moral Principle is ALWAYS a fight with "positive net results".
Piracy is immoral. On land , on seas ,, or on-line in the World Wide Web .
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Mike :"Wrong market. Let's look at the majority of people who come up against those laws. Let's look at the majority of people who consume music today. What percentage of them get their music for free?"
You Pirates here would never let me escape with an unsubstantiated comment like that , Mike
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Still ducking the Moral Principle issue ,, you are Mike .
Anti-Pirates are defending an establish right -- COPYRIGHTS.
Life is about defending rights from those who wish to destroy them
I think Jefferson , Thomas Paine , and their gang of rebels against King George would agree .
---------
The Rev Martin Luther King once said," if a man has not found anything worth dying for, he is not fit to live."
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Proabition banned "Victimless Crime ",, drinking boooze. (people do crime with or w/o booze)
"Piracy denies individuals who have invested in the creation and production of these goods a return on their investment thus reducing the incentive to invest in innovative products and new creative works," he said in a statement. "The end result is the loss of billions of dollars in revenue for the U.S. each year and even greater losses to the U.S. economy in terms of reduced job growth and exports."
both quotes from :
US Lawmakers Target The Pirate Bay, Other Sites
Grant Gross, IDG News
May 19, 2010 4:30 pm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/196692
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US Lawmakers Target The Pirate Bay, Other Sites
Grant Gross, IDG News
May 19, 2010 4:30 pm
"Copyright infringement is not a victimless crime, as it is often portrayed, added Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican.
"Piracy denies individuals who have invested in the creation and production of these goods a return on their investment thus reducing the incentive to invest in innovative products and new creative works," he said in a statement. "The end result is the loss of billions of dollars in revenue for the U.S. each year and even greater losses to the U.S. economy in terms of reduced job growth and exports."
"Our nation and our economy is what it is today, because of the ingenuity and ideas of our people -- ideas that have been safeguarded through strong intellectual property rights protections," Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican."
both quotes from :
US Lawmakers Target The Pirate Bay, Other Sites
Grant Gross, IDG News
May 19, 2010 4:30 pm
http://www.pcworld.com/article/196692/us_lawmakers_target_the_pirate_bay_other_sites.html
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Re: Re:comparing so-called piracy to drug dealing ?
"What the patent and copyright laws acknowledge is the paramount role of mental effort in the production of material values; these laws protect the mind’s contribution in its purest form: the origination of an idea. The subject of patents and copyrights is intellectual property.
An idea as such cannot be protected until it has been given a material form. An invention has to be embodied in a physical model before it can be patented; a story has to be written or printed. But what the patent or copyright protects is not the physical object as such, but the idea which it embodies. By forbidding an unauthorized reproduction of the object, the law declares, in effect, that the physical labor of copying is not the source of the object’s value, that that value is created by the originator of the idea and may not be used without his consent; thus the law establishes the property right of a mind to that which it has brought into existence.
It is important to note, in this connection, that a discovery cannot be patented, only an invention. A scientific or philosophical discovery, which identifies a law of nature, a principle or a fact of reality not previously known, cannot be the exclusive property of the discoverer because: (a) he did not create it, and (b) if he cares to make his discovery public, claiming it to be true, he cannot demand that men continue to pursue or practice falsehoods except by his permission. He can copyright the book in which he presents his discovery and he can demand that his authorship of the discovery be acknowledged, that no other man appropriate or plagiarize the credit for it—but he cannot copyright theoretical knowledge. Patents and copyrights pertain only to the practical application of knowledge, to the creation of a specific object which did not exist in nature—an object which, in the case of patents, may never have existed without its particular originator; and in the case of copyrights, would never have existed.
The government does not “grant” a patent or copyright, in the sense of a gift, privilege, or favor; the government merely secures it—i.e., the government certifies the origination of an idea and protects its owner’s exclusive right of use and disposal."
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/patents_and_copyrights.html
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Re: look at it in reverse. what if they did nothing about piracy?
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Re: It really does make you wonder why the MPAA and the RIAA have bothered with all of this. It hasn't even remotely slowed file sharing down.
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Re: everything is derived from something??
ans: Really ? In the Art & music world , that is not true.
that why they are called Original Works.
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Re: Re: Ayn Rand
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/patents_and_copyrights.html
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