If the only way to rob a bank was to own a car, and the only reason to own a car was to rob banks, you might want to outlaw car ownership.
Yes, that might be an outcome if cars were only used in the commission of a crime. However, here in the real world, both cars and torrents have many legal applications.
A torrent finder's only job is to aid in finding torrent files, the vast majority of which (high 90% range) are illegal or illicit in one form or another.
Citation needed. :)
Further, it provides you direct access to the key file you need to file share the illegal material (by pointing you to the torrent file in question).
You mean like Google points you directly to copyrighted images, that you can then illegally download? Huh, imagine that. We should ban Google, too!
There is no other use for a torrent finder. You can't find anything else with it.
And we come back around again. Yes, torrent search engines search torrents. That doesn't mean that all torrents are illegal, or that torrent searches are illegal. Try again.
While it might be possible to use it for a legal activity, most torrent finders are not. Any site that has a top list (most popular links, example) will clearly indicate what the site is used for.
Yes, to find torrents, which may or may not be infringing.
As another example, IRC servers are not in and of themselves illegal. However, most bot herders use IRC as their command and control channels. Shutting down the servers, blocking domain names, or otherwise disrupting access to those IRC servers are the most effective way to end many botnets. This has happened before and will happen again. IRC in and of itself is not illegal, but depending on how it is used, makes all the difference.
Yes, good point. Depending on what people choose to do with these tools, they may be committing a crime. I don't think that anyone disputes that.
However, you seem to be saying that we should block people from using IRC channels as well, because some people use them for illegal activities. At that point, why not ban cars? Oh, and pawn shops, because some people sell stolen goods to them, thereby creating a market for stolen goods. And don't forget about computers.
I mean, man, the illegal things that you can do with computers...
Are there no legitimate purposes for torrents? Umm, I'm reasonably sure that the people who purposely upload their own content for free dissemination would disagree with you.
Trying to stay away from mentioning it often takes away from the story.
Really? Then I'm sure that you wouldn't mind linking to the numerous Techdirt stories that you think would have been enhanced by party affiliation notes. Thanks!
I disagree. The current legal model for whistleblowing may not include protections for military personnel, but that doesn't mean that he's not a whistleblower.
Remember, whistleblowing is a time-honored tradition that has not always included legal protections. In fact, many whistleblowers, including Daniel Ellsburg, weren't acting legally when they became whistleblowers, either, but were later exonerated by the courts.
Ironically, the Pentagon Papers are still classified.
This means that if you delete the book from your Kindle...
...or if your Kindle has any sort of tech issue, or an update that wipes out what's on your Kindle, or if it ever breaks and you need a new Kindle...
...you can't redownload it.
And for those who are inevitably going to complain that incest is gross and illegal, it doesn't matter. Murder is gross and illegal as well, but murder mysteries are a well-loved genre. Also, Song of Ice and Fire, anyone? It's a terrific series that happens to have sister-brother incest, which begins at puberty.
Anyway, book rentals suck, unless you expect them to be book rentals.
It's hard for the creator, but I'll leave it at that. My comment was solely intended to correct a previous poster, who seems like a real dumbass, anyway. :P
Oh, and I think the whole 'artist entitlement' crap that's been groomed into aspiring artists by the industries' 'lottery system' of the past is a part of the copyright problem as well. When you see rock stars partying as rock stars, anything less than that looks like crap, and you start looking for someone to blame.
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Yes, that might be an outcome if cars were only used in the commission of a crime. However, here in the real world, both cars and torrents have many legal applications.
A torrent finder's only job is to aid in finding torrent files, the vast majority of which (high 90% range) are illegal or illicit in one form or another.
Citation needed. :)
Further, it provides you direct access to the key file you need to file share the illegal material (by pointing you to the torrent file in question).
You mean like Google points you directly to copyrighted images, that you can then illegally download? Huh, imagine that. We should ban Google, too!
There is no other use for a torrent finder. You can't find anything else with it.
And we come back around again. Yes, torrent search engines search torrents. That doesn't mean that all torrents are illegal, or that torrent searches are illegal. Try again.
While it might be possible to use it for a legal activity, most torrent finders are not. Any site that has a top list (most popular links, example) will clearly indicate what the site is used for.
Yes, to find torrents, which may or may not be infringing.
As another example, IRC servers are not in and of themselves illegal. However, most bot herders use IRC as their command and control channels. Shutting down the servers, blocking domain names, or otherwise disrupting access to those IRC servers are the most effective way to end many botnets. This has happened before and will happen again. IRC in and of itself is not illegal, but depending on how it is used, makes all the difference.
Yes, good point. Depending on what people choose to do with these tools, they may be committing a crime. I don't think that anyone disputes that.
However, you seem to be saying that we should block people from using IRC channels as well, because some people use them for illegal activities. At that point, why not ban cars? Oh, and pawn shops, because some people sell stolen goods to them, thereby creating a market for stolen goods. And don't forget about computers.
I mean, man, the illegal things that you can do with computers...
You want all of those things to be banned, right?
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Correlation does not imply causation.
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Really? Then I'm sure that you wouldn't mind linking to the numerous Techdirt stories that you think would have been enhanced by party affiliation notes. Thanks!
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Remember, whistleblowing is a time-honored tradition that has not always included legal protections. In fact, many whistleblowers, including Daniel Ellsburg, weren't acting legally when they became whistleblowers, either, but were later exonerated by the courts.
Ironically, the Pentagon Papers are still classified.
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Also, this isn't a customary news source. You might have noticed that we employ logic here. :)
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I promise that none of my kids will get pregnant during the election and I won't tell any disabled folks to stand up.
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I'd be good at it, too.
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Then you're not smart enough to waste time on. Goodbye!
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...or if your Kindle has any sort of tech issue, or an update that wipes out what's on your Kindle, or if it ever breaks and you need a new Kindle...
...you can't redownload it.
And for those who are inevitably going to complain that incest is gross and illegal, it doesn't matter. Murder is gross and illegal as well, but murder mysteries are a well-loved genre. Also, Song of Ice and Fire, anyone? It's a terrific series that happens to have sister-brother incest, which begins at puberty.
Anyway, book rentals suck, unless you expect them to be book rentals.
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Oh, and I think the whole 'artist entitlement' crap that's been groomed into aspiring artists by the industries' 'lottery system' of the past is a part of the copyright problem as well. When you see rock stars partying as rock stars, anything less than that looks like crap, and you start looking for someone to blame.
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