I get your point, but do be careful with these kinds of statistics. It does not take 30mil scans to produce one problem. Each person scanned is just as likely (statistically speaking) to have a problem as the last guy or the next guy.
And THAT'S assuming all body conditions are the same... and they're not.
It's amazing really... we can't use cell phones on a flight because it MIGHT interfere at a critical moment. A HIGHLY unlikely situation, but one that we protect against because of how bad it would be if that ONE time happened. So why don't we have the same preventative attitude with problems this thing might cause? I guess one human's health is not as important. -shrug- glad they cleared THAT up.
Careful with that... the citizen's arrest offered by the United States itself is not binding for anything short of a felony. Each state has its own laws concerning breaches of laws that constitute misdemeanors and civil infractions (such as speeding in traffic).
I know that in Florida, I can make a CA if I witness a felony or a misdemeanor, but if I'm wrong, I can be subject to quite a few nasty infractions myself, such as impersonating police, false imprisonment, kidnapping, and wrongful arrest. These dangers are compounded by the fact that as a citizen, I have NO authority to infringe upon an individual’s civil rights under any circumstances (except, of course lethal force response in self defense). As much as I'd like to sometimes, I can't force a speeder to pull over and detain them while the police arrive. Trust me, I've looked into it.
I'm with you man, but be DAMNED careful before doing something like that.
But you're illustrating a point that we all have accepted... the people who profit off this are the ones who are pushing it into the TSA, who doesn't really want to solve a proble, just to look like they are.
"When your mother gets blown out of the sky, you be screaming revenge against those who should have provided security. Not to mention, you'll want to sue for the insurance money and damages. Anyone who says different is a liar."
"Apologies if my tone sounded harsh or convicting.
Nothing personal."
No, it IS personal because you just called me a liar. One of my biggest soap-boxes is personal responsibility. If my mother got on a plane that was blown up, I'd be very grief-stricken, but I'd know that it's not the fault of the security... except of course, that the TSA is a farce and is ineffectual at actually catching anything... except maybe a case of gonorrhea from these fun little gropes.
But I would not sue anyone or cry for revenge from anyone except the extremists who did this.
"Freedom is NEVER free, only to the nit picking free loaders"
I love how this is a rally-cry for government sheep... that's right, just let the government do whatever they want because, hey, it's just the cost of freedom! Yay! Dumbass.
I'd go on grabbing quotes from your post, but let's summarize the real point here...
We're not 'whining' about losing some personal freedoms here... we're arguing (quite correctly) that our freedoms are being taken for absolutely nothing of value. The 'safety' that we're being given in return is a sham. And it's all being done by a government that has REPEATEDLY in the past shown that it is corrupt, on the payroll of interests and corporations, and doesn't give a DAMN about our rights or the American Way.
Hmm... let's think about that for a second... corrupt government, unfair actions, being told what to do against what we think is right... I think I remember a group of people that suffered that and rebelled. Damn... who were they?! OH! That's right! British Colonists who eventually became the United States of America.
I my opinion, anyone who just goes along with the government without asking questions is about as UN-American as you can get.
So in closing, since you deigned to tell me who I am and then call me a liar: go fsck yourself... nothing personal.
Didn't we do the same thing with the Patriot Act? Well, maybe not the search warrant thing, but being held without due process (Go Straight to GITMO, do not collect $200) if you are a terrorist suspect? Why are we surprised that other countries are following our example of screwing innocence in order to 'thwart evil'?
Hmm... I stand corrected, although it sounds like t-hertz could be much worse for you since it moves from the high-end of microwave into far-infra-red. So instead of sterilizing me, you're going to cook me. Sweet.
I had searched for millimeter band, and everything I found pointed to X-ray, since X-ray tops out at 1 millimeter wavelength. Guess I do need to practice my search-fu.
By the way, I almost rebutted you again because the wiki link you provided points just to the terahertz info, but doesn't support its connection to Millimeter Wave scanning... here's a better one to use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave
"Anyone who is chosen for the extra screening and refuses it is obviously suspicious, and saying "no problem, you don't have to then" would be completely reckless, since they will just try again, with the odds in their favour that they won't be selected next time."
Yeah, because Mr. Don't Touch My Junk was OBVIOUSLY a terrorist and should have been shot in the head the moment he hesitated to comply with instructions.
"What stopped him was not TSA security, but passengers on the plane seeing what he was up to."
Actually, from everything I've read on it, it sounds like the only thing that stopped him was his ineptitude. He caught his pants on fire after spending 20 min in the bathroom and returning to his seat. Sounds like the detonator failed or the chemicals were mixed incorrectly and combusted without explosive force.
But either way, I can't find anything about whether or not he was subjected to an AIT scan.
So here's a question: if the explosive materials were sewn into his underwear, would the 'grainy and non-detailed' image have shown that? What if the entirety of my underwear were packaged with evenly-distributed material? Would it show up different? If so, what about the TSA's claim that you can't really see details so it's not 'pornographic'? Where's the lie here?
Actually, in the original story (and the audio recordings), Tyner would have been subject to a CIVIL lawsuit and penalty... I'm no lawyer, but that seems a far cry from a FELONY (which is breach of a Federal law). Am I wrong on that?
"Let's start w/ the scanners. Only 1 of them (backscatter) uses x-rays, the other uses electromagnetic waves that bounce off the body."
Is that why you put "Really?" as your subject? Because that was my first reaction to this part of your post...
X-rays ARE electromagnetic waves. "Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths ranging from as long as one meter to as short as one millimeter, or equivalently, with frequencies between 300 MHz (0.3 GHz) and 300 GHz." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
The only difference between the Backscatter and the Millimeter Wave machines is that the former creates a 2D image while the latter creates a 3D image. It may be as short as one millimeter, but it’s still an x-ray.
But the biggest problem with all of this farce isn't even the health danger... we're all pissed about the fact that there is little-to-no added security by these invasive measures. We're being stripped (no pun intended) of our privacy for absolutely nothing! Unless, of course, you think FEELING safer is a worthwhile payoff.
Scrub out any BS about partisan activism and you're left with the fact that airports do NOT have to have TSA checks. So, if we all stop flying, and airports know that the reason why is because of the TSA, the airports will tell them to go grope each other and leave their customers alone.
Many behaviors would fall under that definition... although I do like it!
Take a small child sobbing and sobbing because he or she didn't get their way. They stop long enough to look out of the cradle of their arm to make sure you still see them and cry even louder.
Huh? Google is as ignorant as I am on what Jewish Tursim is. Although apparently 'turism' is the way it's spelt in Romania... so maybe this is an Anonymous Romanian Coward.
Sadley enough, he could... wasted time and loss of business for tying up his appointment schedule then backing out. That's why some Dr.s will still charge a no-show fee.
But even as silly as that is, it STILL makes more sense than the TSA being able to bring CIVIL action against this guy.
the other photographs taken by the dozens of photographers surrounding the scene?
And the photographers spoiling the 'pure rage' feeling? well, we wouldn't want something like reality or even reader-interpretation to de-sensationalize the news, now would we?
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you think they'll actually say 'please'? Heh.
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And THAT'S assuming all body conditions are the same... and they're not.
It's amazing really... we can't use cell phones on a flight because it MIGHT interfere at a critical moment. A HIGHLY unlikely situation, but one that we protect against because of how bad it would be if that ONE time happened. So why don't we have the same preventative attitude with problems this thing might cause? I guess one human's health is not as important. -shrug- glad they cleared THAT up.
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I know that in Florida, I can make a CA if I witness a felony or a misdemeanor, but if I'm wrong, I can be subject to quite a few nasty infractions myself, such as impersonating police, false imprisonment, kidnapping, and wrongful arrest. These dangers are compounded by the fact that as a citizen, I have NO authority to infringe upon an individual’s civil rights under any circumstances (except, of course lethal force response in self defense). As much as I'd like to sometimes, I can't force a speeder to pull over and detain them while the police arrive. Trust me, I've looked into it.
I'm with you man, but be DAMNED careful before doing something like that.
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Sir, I'd invite you to join me for a beer, but I wouldn't want to subject to our airport circus.
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But you're illustrating a point that we all have accepted... the people who profit off this are the ones who are pushing it into the TSA, who doesn't really want to solve a proble, just to look like they are.
No suprise, but still some damn good info!
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But I would not sue anyone or cry for revenge from anyone except the extremists who did this. I love how this is a rally-cry for government sheep... that's right, just let the government do whatever they want because, hey, it's just the cost of freedom! Yay! Dumbass.
I'd go on grabbing quotes from your post, but let's summarize the real point here...
We're not 'whining' about losing some personal freedoms here... we're arguing (quite correctly) that our freedoms are being taken for absolutely nothing of value. The 'safety' that we're being given in return is a sham. And it's all being done by a government that has REPEATEDLY in the past shown that it is corrupt, on the payroll of interests and corporations, and doesn't give a DAMN about our rights or the American Way.
Hmm... let's think about that for a second... corrupt government, unfair actions, being told what to do against what we think is right... I think I remember a group of people that suffered that and rebelled. Damn... who were they?! OH! That's right! British Colonists who eventually became the United States of America.
I my opinion, anyone who just goes along with the government without asking questions is about as UN-American as you can get.
So in closing, since you deigned to tell me who I am and then call me a liar: go fsck yourself... nothing personal.
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I had searched for millimeter band, and everything I found pointed to X-ray, since X-ray tops out at 1 millimeter wavelength. Guess I do need to practice my search-fu.
By the way, I almost rebutted you again because the wiki link you provided points just to the terahertz info, but doesn't support its connection to Millimeter Wave scanning... here's a better one to use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave
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Yeah, because Mr. Don't Touch My Junk was OBVIOUSLY a terrorist and should have been shot in the head the moment he hesitated to comply with instructions.
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Actually, from everything I've read on it, it sounds like the only thing that stopped him was his ineptitude. He caught his pants on fire after spending 20 min in the bathroom and returning to his seat. Sounds like the detonator failed or the chemicals were mixed incorrectly and combusted without explosive force.
But either way, I can't find anything about whether or not he was subjected to an AIT scan.
So here's a question: if the explosive materials were sewn into his underwear, would the 'grainy and non-detailed' image have shown that? What if the entirety of my underwear were packaged with evenly-distributed material? Would it show up different? If so, what about the TSA's claim that you can't really see details so it's not 'pornographic'? Where's the lie here?
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Is that why you put "Really?" as your subject? Because that was my first reaction to this part of your post...
X-rays ARE electromagnetic waves. "Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths ranging from as long as one meter to as short as one millimeter, or equivalently, with frequencies between 300 MHz (0.3 GHz) and 300 GHz." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
The only difference between the Backscatter and the Millimeter Wave machines is that the former creates a 2D image while the latter creates a 3D image. It may be as short as one millimeter, but it’s still an x-ray.
But the biggest problem with all of this farce isn't even the health danger... we're all pissed about the fact that there is little-to-no added security by these invasive measures. We're being stripped (no pun intended) of our privacy for absolutely nothing! Unless, of course, you think FEELING safer is a worthwhile payoff.
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But this part CAN go away... read this article: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-airport-anger_-GOP-takes-aim-at-screening-1576602-10 8259869.html
Scrub out any BS about partisan activism and you're left with the fact that airports do NOT have to have TSA checks. So, if we all stop flying, and airports know that the reason why is because of the TSA, the airports will tell them to go grope each other and leave their customers alone.
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Take a small child sobbing and sobbing because he or she didn't get their way. They stop long enough to look out of the cradle of their arm to make sure you still see them and cry even louder.
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But even as silly as that is, it STILL makes more sense than the TSA being able to bring CIVIL action against this guy.
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And the photographers spoiling the 'pure rage' feeling? well, we wouldn't want something like reality or even reader-interpretation to de-sensationalize the news, now would we?
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