Just like the law of any civilized nation said that slavery was so. Or that women couldn't vote. What's your point?.
Laws can be wrong through.
Slavery used to be legal.
Did slave owners have "natural rights" to be slave owners.
While a few may argue that , most would say that a human being has a natural right to be free, in all places and all circumstances. It just took the laws of various legal systems time to catch up to the natural law.
(Yes I know slavery is in the "five books of Moses". 3000 years ago , the Five Book of Moses, vastly expanded the rights of slaves relative to other legal systems of the time. The Five Books of Moses, humanized the slave, at the time a radical concept.)
In a civilized society "copyright protection" is a legal right that needs to developed out of the natural right. and Thomas Jefferson , James Madison and company understood that. Better than I do.
Not if I can help it. I will make every effort to either correct our current copyright laws and make them more equitable for everyone or to abolish copyright altogether.
"Not if I can help it. I will make every effort to either correct our current copyright laws and make them more equitable for everyone."
Good. Though I believe they already are equitable for everyone, in my humble opinion.
" or to abolish copyright altogether."
IT would take a Constitutional Amendment to " abolish copyright altogether" and that ain't NEVER going to happen.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Devil's Advocate :"If a creator wants to distribute his work in a way that restricts the use, then that is his right, and it is not our place to strip that right from him."
Remember that little Google game , try to find , a two-work combo , that yielded zero results at Google.
Well Mike , you did find a 3-word one : "market post-creation".
We will see if it becomes a "Streisand effect".
Good Luck there Mike.
----------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Mike Masnick originally coined the term Streisand effect in reference to a 2003 incident in which Barbra Streisand unsuccessfully attempted to sue photographer Kenneth Adelman and Pictopia.com for US$50 million in an attempt to have the aerial photograph of her mansion removed from the publicly available collection of 12,000 California coastline photographs, citing privacy concerns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- it would say "your comment is held for moderation."
I actually did get that one ONCE too , when I posted, after you started to --FINALLY -- respond to me last week . Give me a moment i will find the exact post when it happened.
Techdirt posters never admit defeat , they just quit.
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and you keep thinking that private organizations (ASCAP, MLB) that have biased and incorrect views of copyright law are the same as the gov't.
no.
I believe that copyright laws are just and fair as written -- and even could be stronger in today's digital age-- and copyright laws covering $$ making websites are also a clear constitutional right.
And also , I personally hold , copyrights and patent laws are manifest from natural law, though T.J. disagrees.
I was speaking about after they were written. The market post-creation, for lyrics.
So your are telling me YOU do agree that Pirate lyric websites that make $$$ off of lyrics ,, should pay royalties as proscribed by law , or be taken down.
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Just like the law of any civilized nation said that slavery was so. Or that women couldn't vote. What's your point?.
Slavery used to be legal.
Did slave owners have "natural rights" to be slave owners.
While a few may argue that , most would say that a human being has a natural right to be free, in all places and all circumstances. It just took the laws of various legal systems time to catch up to the natural law.
(Yes I know slavery is in the "five books of Moses". 3000 years ago , the Five Book of Moses, vastly expanded the rights of slaves relative to other legal systems of the time. The Five Books of Moses, humanized the slave, at the time a radical concept.)
In a civilized society "copyright protection" is a legal right that needs to developed out of the natural right. and Thomas Jefferson , James Madison and company understood that. Better than I do.
Was that helpful?
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Not if I can help it. I will make every effort to either correct our current copyright laws and make them more equitable for everyone or to abolish copyright altogether.
Good. Though I believe they already are equitable for everyone, in my humble opinion.
" or to abolish copyright altogether."
IT would take a Constitutional Amendment to " abolish copyright altogether" and that ain't NEVER going to happen.
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Yes, Copycense is quite good, actually. I've been a fan for a while.
I plan to be a daily regular reader now.
Right after I scan techdirt for the "news and views" of the day, ( but I am chilling on posting comments for a while :) )
They could be the bridge between us Mike, as both of us confess respect for Copycense .
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Re: Confusing work vs. copy of work
Glad I am not alone. Thanks for being here.
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Ergo, we must have the right to break DRM in order to make our other rights meaningful.
But try lobbying on that point, and try making that point in a court of law..
I hear the laughter already.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Devil's Advocate :"If a creator wants to distribute his work in a way that restricts the use, then that is his right, and it is not our place to strip that right from him."
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100510/0404369357.shtml
I stand by the GOOD words I quoted from the other poster:
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"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts". Artists getting paid is a *means*, not an end.
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But the "market post-creation" was non-existent.
Well Mike , you did find a 3-word one : "market post-creation".
We will see if it becomes a "Streisand effect".
Good Luck there Mike.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Mike Masnick originally coined the term Streisand effect in reference to a 2003 incident in which Barbra Streisand unsuccessfully attempted to sue photographer Kenneth Adelman and Pictopia.com for US$50 million in an attempt to have the aerial photograph of her mansion removed from the publicly available collection of 12,000 California coastline photographs, citing privacy concerns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
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Obviously lots of people get paid to write lyrics. But the market post-creation was non-existent.
Search google for the phrase : "market post-creation" (w/ quotes)
Google says :
No results found for "market post-creation".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=A8M&rlz=1R1GPM D_en___US361&q=%22market+post-creation%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=& ;gs_rfai=
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No wonder why your words make no sense in your defense , of your "silly" post on Lyrics Websites.
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Re: dyslexic typ-ohs
even after I posted I have a learning disability : dyslexia .
And even after my explaining the "method to my maddness: of commas.
Making fun of disabled people.
Though when some people insult you , it is a compliment.
Just shows their base character.
If a racist insults my views on race ,, well , i am honored and strenthened.
I will stop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, there.
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Re: Re: nor will I respond further to this thread.
So would any objective academic. Weather s/he agrees or not with either of us
On the lyric thread ,, i clobbered everybody who came my way, showing why lyrics ,
1] are meaningful ,
2] a difficult artisitc craft that takes much talent ,
3] and is " morally worthy of" and "legally due $$" from profit making websites.
ALL while you sat on the sideline Mike cowering w/o making a comment. A sure sign of fright.
Here in this thread I out pointed you easy.
Next , the ASCAP bill of rights. If you want ,,we can both bring independent referees to both moderate and declare the winner.
I challenge you.
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Re: Re: nor will I respond further to this thread.
I will meet one as of un-met challenge you have send my way.
To go over ASCAP BoRs , point by point , to show HOW THEY DO reflect current Print laws , and most current digital laws.
I will post on MY blog -- which has no ads nor take comments, and is just a hobby -- when done,, and
"I will be back"
Call it a re-match if you want.
It will be a while-- my be months .
Life comes first.
Techdirt is really of little importance in the scheme of things.
Esp Re: public policy formation on Copyright and Patent law.
As you mike are way to outside the mainstream om copyrights and patents to ever really be taken seriously in any debate there.
In my humble opinion.
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Re: - it would say "your comment is held for moderation."
http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20100514/0126329423&threaded=true#c3430
When I replied here you held for moderation. Though you did eventually post.
So you though i was a spammer even that far into my discussions here.
Why?
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- it would say "your comment is held for moderation."
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I did not misuse the quote. I used it accurately.
I think most any college prof would too.
Though in academics there IS ALWAYS room for debate.
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nor will I respond further to this thread.
You cannot respond.
That is why you quit.
Techdirt posters never admit defeat , they just quit.
No mas!!! ***
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why it made no sense at all for lyrics sites to pay.
Wanna start again?
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and you keep thinking that private organizations (ASCAP, MLB) that have biased and incorrect views of copyright law are the same as the gov't.
I believe that copyright laws are just and fair as written -- and even could be stronger in today's digital age-- and copyright laws covering $$ making websites are also a clear constitutional right.
And also , I personally hold , copyrights and patent laws are manifest from natural law, though T.J. disagrees.
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You keep demanding we do posts that we've already done,
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I was speaking about after they were written. The market post-creation, for lyrics.
If you don't . We will have to start over.
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