Someone steals your car, and you dont notice it. Then when your neighbor tells you about it, and shows you proof of someone breaking into it on their phone, it hasn't been stolen. You never suffered any harm, you didnt notice it was gone, someone else did.
Yet another "expert" has found out what is causing all the children to monsters. Those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it. In the 50's it was Comics now its video games.
I have edited wikipedia. I made the mistake once of editing an article that was a point of contention, OOXML. I was immediately accused and found guilty of sock puppetry because some other editor happened to live in the Chicagoland area. The evidence needed to be found guilty is low, are you in the same area (100 miles) found by an ip address? If you live in a large populated area, and post on an article that has hundreds of editors, if another editor is within 100 miles of you, you are guilty! The thing is, later the person who accused everyone of being a puppet was found to be paid by Microsoft and had his account banned for numerous arguments and unrealistic edits. He was banned from Wikipedia. I now shy away from any hot topics.
Yet another post of yours trying to make fun of the road to hell you find yourself on if you have sinned once and have not repented.
If you claim you have not sinned once in your life then you might want to look closer at the past. Have you lied, cheated, stole, lusted, coveted, hated or done anything against your fellow man in your life, even just thinking about it? Then you have sinned.
This is not some debate that so called facts will win.
Hate someone once, you will die and end up in hell. Lie one time, you will die and end up in hell. Covet something once, you will die and end up in hell. Have sexual desire in your heart for someone you are not married to once, you will die and end up in hell.
Repent of your sins now and trust in Christ.
No, taking it out of context means that someone is taking a few words from a paragraph and suggesting they mean something different than if the words were read with that paragraph. An example. Taking "Vengance is mine" from Romans 12:9 and saying that the Bible teaches that I can hurt those that do evil to me. When if someone reads the whole section it says that people should not get back at people, God will take care of it.
In the post by art guerrilla he was using "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" to try and say it proves people should not point out the sins of others. That section
is found in John 8. It is dealing not with pointing out that others have sinned, but that we should not do bodily harm to others because of sins. No one here is inflicting physical harm on anyone.
Repent of your sinful statement before its to late.
The problems of your statement are.
1.It is not loving to sit idly by as people walk down the path to Hell without warning them of the path they are on.
2.Gods Word is the words God gave the inspired writers to write down. It is not the words of sinful man. That
3. Your belief that God will not punish unrepentant sinners is common in unbelievers who imho must be trying to kid themselves into thinking they are going to be ok as long as they just ignore what will happen later.
4. Discord? Perhaps I underestimated the number of hard core sinners on this site. But if even one person stops and changes their direction from the path to hell its worth it.
I truly feel sorry for you, I hope you see the error of your ways before you die.
John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So Christ and his words are Logic by your own theory. So trusting is Christ is logical.
But I stand by my earlier statement that faith is not won in the mind of sinful may in a debate. It is the work of the Holy Ghost, working through the Gospel.
Why are you mashing together multiple verses and taking them out of context to twist them?
Romans 2:12-15
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
This section of scripture shows that God wrote the law into mans heart when he created him. That even after haveing the corruption of our human flesh by sin we still understand that killing is wrong and you should not steal or sleep with another mans wife. That there will be no excuse on judgement day for the law is known to man.
Matthew 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
This section was given as a response when Christs disciples asked why he taught in parables. That some people would not understand His teaching, mostly those with a hardened heart. Exactly what were you trying to prove?
Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:
Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
These sections warn about hypocrisy. That you should not be condemning people for sins you are committing. It is not a command not to judge or to tell people they have committed sin and therefore they need to repent. God commands us to tell people they need to repent.
as proved by
Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations
and
John 7:24
judge righteous judgment.
Nice try, but twisting scripture to your own ends is a sin and you need to repent of it.
No, Pascal's Wager says that because of fear you hypocritically say you believe, and then try and seek after God. That would not work, fear is not a good motivator and true faith must exist not just hypocritically saying you do. But dont let what Pascal's Wager says stop you from applying it wrongly, I like it when people do that.
The response you are replying to isnt trying to make someone fear but debunking the idea that they could tough it out in hell. Most people cant stand flame for more than a few seconds.
That's the point of the law. To show you that its impossible for sinful man to follow it. All men sin, even Christans. Thats you need Gods help.
Galations 5:21-22
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
If someone were to tell you to act like God exists and to bet on the fact. But not believe that He does exist but try and seek Him out. Then it would be Pascals Wager.
Unlike Pascal I am telling you to repent and to truly believe because God exists. To trust in God and have faith that God exists. Not just as a hypocrite say one thing and believe another. God can see into your heart and will know the truth.
Pascal was a hypocrite who thought he could cheat the system. Unless he had true faith and trust in the redemptive work of Christ he is in hell.
Part of what the is saying is true. If a Christian is wrong and the atheist is right, that nothing happens after we die, then the Christian has no consequences for being wrong. But on the other hand if the Christian is correct the Atheist has a lot of consequences for being wrong.
That does not mean that I am suggesting that out of fear that someone fake faith, just say they believe but not really believe, or try to game the system. I doubt that such would actually be belief but only a hypocritical statement or thought.
But know that if you have committed even one sin you are on the road to hell. Repent now and trust in the redemptive work of Christ.
Nice try , taking words out of context and trying to make them say something different.
I cant force anyone to believe anything. No one can, you might be able to get someone to say they believe, but there is no way of telling if they do or not except by their actions.
I am not insulting anyone and if they fear something that isn't something that would be accomplished by my actions but by their own.
Gods word says to warn sinners of the path that they are on.
All men have committed sin, all unrepentant sinners will go to hell. Repent not and trust in Christ.
In the old testament the word can be translated as hell, grave or the pit as Hebrew isn't a precise language in when dealing with the word. But your idea that it can only mean the two meanings you supply is wrong and will not fit into such passages as Deuteronomy 32:22 or Job 11:8 which contrasts heaven and hell. There are numerous passages like that.
You also have chosen to only deal with the old testament as the new was written in Greek and has a few words translated as hell. One is αδης or hades. In Luke 16:23 and forward we read that the rich man was in αδης or hades in torment of the flames.
(untitled comment) (as Jim)
Lets change the details a little to see why.
Someone steals your car, and you dont notice it. Then when your neighbor tells you about it, and shows you proof of someone breaking into it on their phone, it hasn't been stolen. You never suffered any harm, you didnt notice it was gone, someone else did.
Seduction of the innocent all over again. (as Jim B)
The proof needed to be found guilty is low to coincidental.
The thing is, later the person who accused everyone of being a puppet was found to be paid by Microsoft and had his account banned for numerous arguments and unrealistic edits. He was banned from Wikipedia. I now shy away from any hot topics.
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If you claim you have not sinned once in your life then you might want to look closer at the past. Have you lied, cheated, stole, lusted, coveted, hated or done anything against your fellow man in your life, even just thinking about it? Then you have sinned.
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Hate someone once, you will die and end up in hell. Lie one time, you will die and end up in hell. Covet something once, you will die and end up in hell. Have sexual desire in your heart for someone you are not married to once, you will die and end up in hell.
Repent of your sins now and trust in Christ.
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In the post by art guerrilla he was using "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" to try and say it proves people should not point out the sins of others. That section
is found in John 8. It is dealing not with pointing out that others have sinned, but that we should not do bodily harm to others because of sins. No one here is inflicting physical harm on anyone.
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Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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The problems of your statement are.
1.It is not loving to sit idly by as people walk down the path to Hell without warning them of the path they are on.
2.Gods Word is the words God gave the inspired writers to write down. It is not the words of sinful man. That
3. Your belief that God will not punish unrepentant sinners is common in unbelievers who imho must be trying to kid themselves into thinking they are going to be ok as long as they just ignore what will happen later.
4. Discord? Perhaps I underestimated the number of hard core sinners on this site. But if even one person stops and changes their direction from the path to hell its worth it.
I truly feel sorry for you, I hope you see the error of your ways before you die.
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14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So Christ and his words are Logic by your own theory. So trusting is Christ is logical.
But I stand by my earlier statement that faith is not won in the mind of sinful may in a debate. It is the work of the Holy Ghost, working through the Gospel.
Why are you mashing together multiple verses and taking them out of context to twist them?
Romans 2:12-15
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
This section of scripture shows that God wrote the law into mans heart when he created him. That even after haveing the corruption of our human flesh by sin we still understand that killing is wrong and you should not steal or sleep with another mans wife. That there will be no excuse on judgement day for the law is known to man.
Matthew 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
This section was given as a response when Christs disciples asked why he taught in parables. That some people would not understand His teaching, mostly those with a hardened heart. Exactly what were you trying to prove?
Luke 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:
Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
These sections warn about hypocrisy. That you should not be condemning people for sins you are committing. It is not a command not to judge or to tell people they have committed sin and therefore they need to repent. God commands us to tell people they need to repent.
as proved by
Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations
and
John 7:24
judge righteous judgment.
Nice try, but twisting scripture to your own ends is a sin and you need to repent of it.
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The response you are replying to isnt trying to make someone fear but debunking the idea that they could tough it out in hell. Most people cant stand flame for more than a few seconds.
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Galations 5:21-22
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
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Unlike Pascal I am telling you to repent and to truly believe because God exists. To trust in God and have faith that God exists. Not just as a hypocrite say one thing and believe another. God can see into your heart and will know the truth.
Pascal was a hypocrite who thought he could cheat the system. Unless he had true faith and trust in the redemptive work of Christ he is in hell.
Part of what the is saying is true. If a Christian is wrong and the atheist is right, that nothing happens after we die, then the Christian has no consequences for being wrong. But on the other hand if the Christian is correct the Atheist has a lot of consequences for being wrong.
That does not mean that I am suggesting that out of fear that someone fake faith, just say they believe but not really believe, or try to game the system. I doubt that such would actually be belief but only a hypocritical statement or thought.
But know that if you have committed even one sin you are on the road to hell. Repent now and trust in the redemptive work of Christ.
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I cant force anyone to believe anything. No one can, you might be able to get someone to say they believe, but there is no way of telling if they do or not except by their actions.
I am not insulting anyone and if they fear something that isn't something that would be accomplished by my actions but by their own.
Gods word says to warn sinners of the path that they are on.
All men have committed sin, all unrepentant sinners will go to hell. Repent not and trust in Christ.
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You also have chosen to only deal with the old testament as the new was written in Greek and has a few words translated as hell. One is αδης or hades. In Luke 16:23 and forward we read that the rich man was in αδης or hades in torment of the flames.
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