I used to love Ubisoft games. In fact many of them still are really good games but from the time they started this protection and messing with users I just had enough.
I don't think this is over by a long shot. I think they will find a way to piss off the users even more.
I honestly don't trust them and they have a long long way to go before I even consider buying or even pirating a game from them.
I have other game companies to invest my money in who will treat me with some level of respect. As for the apology it won't matter either way if they do or do not. They have to earn a lot of people trust back before they can come back from this
This whole topic is pretty much been talked about and ignored but **AA people in general.
Most of the comments I have read have covered pretty much everything I would mention but the one driving point I want to point out. This problem happens when you try to put rules from one system onto the rules of a completely different system. What I mean is when you put the rules of the Analog world onto the digital world.
Digital goods are infinite, from now till the end of time there will be copies. While Analog/Physical goods are not and need to be produced. We can't possibly expect both systems to be ruled by the same laws, its not practical.
Its like if I asked you to add 10 and 11, you may point out its 21 but suppose I tell you it is binary you would actually get 101.
The industry needs to think closely about what is changing in our world and adapt. As this site and many others point out there are so many opportunities if you keep your eyes open and look for them.
The Disc Version is not STEAM, it links to STEAM but it is in noway STEAM. The point he is trying to make is that the ease of buying from STEAM should not necessarily be stopped cause of the region you are in, the people who made the game are getting your money either way. What is the difference if they bought it through STEAM or through a local game store?
On another note congrats Mike. I been here for the last few years (not when you started). Ironically I found this blog through the google homepage when they first started doing that. I been an avid reader since.
"To the naked eye, you can see the substantial harm being caused (check out recorded music sales, even as recorded music consumption is at an all time high). You have to be wilfully blind or intending to profit from piracy to deny what appears on the surface to be true."
Proof needed here for your first sentence.
You also can't pigeon hole people into one of two choices like that. All the article is trying to point out is that research needs to be done before laws get implemented. I agree it is not a speedy process but then why is the process so long in the first place?
I don't think any legislation is baseless to begin with, it must come from somewhere.
The point that the article is trying to bring up is that its kind of silly to make legislation without doing the proper research first.
If you had to do an assignment on the types of pianos you wouldn't research 5 pianos then say you have researched it all. Same principle here if you ask me, do your ground work as best you can before you come up with crappy legislation that has to be fixed over and over.
But ootb where is the proof of all this that you are talking about. The main argument of this story is the fact that due process wasn't even followed. That alone, no matter what the site may/not be doing is scary as hell. The fact that they fabricated evidence is just as bad.
As much as you want to say this is about piracy its so much bigger than piracy and that is what you have to realize.
File sharing, depending on what is file shared is not illegal as far as I see. I really wish they would stop demonising the method of transfer.
I happen to think alot of these methods to transfer files are pretty cool and have real world applications. Ask anyone about Torrents or P2P and their first answer will be its illegal.
I've lost count how many times Mike says this is not what he suggests. But keep on going OOTB. Maybe one day you'll quote him correctly and stop deionizing everyone on the site.
On a side note you seem not to understand how Youtube works do ya?
I don't think anyone saying he has lost anything. But as many others have pointed out, non-commercial vs commercial and it was under contract.
As far as I know, no pirate makes money off the things they sell and have no contract to deal with. This does not mean I condone piracy and Mike has said time and time again he does not condone piracy and I am pretty sure most people on this site don't condone it. You are so quick to jump and call everyone a pirate. Personally I find that offensive but thats just my view.
In this story we have a case where a company who regularly come down harsh on people for copyright infringement and they are caught infringing on copyright on a massive scale. I think everyone should be accountable for what they do and that includes the big companies. We can't afford to keep on using a different measuring stick when it comes to a large coorperation.
Another thing too is if a coorperation can't obey the rules how do we expect them to even do the same when stronger laws come into place?
Its actually dropping quite quickly...its down to like a star now.
I don't know if people get the whole "Streisand Effect" and more people are learning the hard way. I don't have anything against this dentist but if this is how you treat your customers then good luck getting customers.
I never suggested they don't have people on the other side who don't think. Its not even about Mike's side either.
However a lot of people who are in support of SOPA generally are saying the same thing and to use your term seem like "SOPA-BOTS".
All I want is generally a good discussion. If it turns out that they are convincing enough or in the worse case scenario if I am wrong I will admit it and hopefully would have learned something new from the entire discussion.
Bob generally doesn't respond to logical thinking. This is in no means an insult to Bob but its just a trend.
In the end you can't have a discussion with these people who are so set in their ways and can't think independently. As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
Its definitely interesting to see different view points on piracy. On one hand we have people like Ubisoft who believe lets crack down and increase our protection but then others who believe lets see how we can compete with piracy and bring a better platform so users actually want to play.
I don't live in the United States, I live outside and one of my major issues I always have is getting my hands on games at a reasonable price and time. I remember a few years back when a few friends of mine from the United States were trying to get me to get Left 4 Dead and it was really late so stores where I am won't be open that late so I would have to wait till the next day. Then one of them commented why don't I just use Steam and get it. Low and behold I downloaded Steam and in seconds I had purchased Steam (at a discount too if I remember correctly) and I was downloading it. About 2 hours after that I was playing Left 4 dead with my friends.
A lot of people are always concerned about the United States this and that but what you have to realize is that they have others out there who buy games too. I am an avid gamer and Steam for me was like a Godsend with its ease and it worked for me.
Ubisoft has had good games over the years but their lack of respect for me as a gamer was disconcerting and I haven't played anything from them since Assassin's Creed. I have other companies that I would rather give my money to and even to pirate the game isn't even worth my time.
I know it was never brought up in the article but whenever people talk of piracy they say its a lost sale but isn't me not buying your game or even purchasing your game a lost sale as well?
I think Ubisoft has to be careful what they say and even how they say it. Having good games is one thing but if you continue to piss off your gaming community it won't end well at all.
Are you seriously implying that there are only a few TSA agents working or that the % of passengers with this is that high? Its kind of why they have multiple staff and if anything move the person to the side until the call is made.
My overall point is, these people have a medical card that is supposed to let the authorities know what is what. The fact that they ignore them makes me wonder if they should be there in the first place.
To that I say these cards have the detailed information about doctor and number. If you are unsure use the card and call the doctor and get the information you want.
I don't trust them
I don't think this is over by a long shot. I think they will find a way to piss off the users even more.
I honestly don't trust them and they have a long long way to go before I even consider buying or even pirating a game from them.
I have other game companies to invest my money in who will treat me with some level of respect. As for the apology it won't matter either way if they do or do not. They have to earn a lot of people trust back before they can come back from this
We need to adapt
Most of the comments I have read have covered pretty much everything I would mention but the one driving point I want to point out. This problem happens when you try to put rules from one system onto the rules of a completely different system. What I mean is when you put the rules of the Analog world onto the digital world.
Digital goods are infinite, from now till the end of time there will be copies. While Analog/Physical goods are not and need to be produced. We can't possibly expect both systems to be ruled by the same laws, its not practical.
Its like if I asked you to add 10 and 11, you may point out its 21 but suppose I tell you it is binary you would actually get 101.
The industry needs to think closely about what is changing in our world and adapt. As this site and many others point out there are so many opportunities if you keep your eyes open and look for them.
Re: Re:
Re: Re: Worth it ?
On another note congrats Mike. I been here for the last few years (not when you started). Ironically I found this blog through the google homepage when they first started doing that. I been an avid reader since.
Congrats again.
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I hope someone calls the Senator on this crap. It amazes me how little they seem to use simple common sense to make decisions.
As for Apple's response I really am not surprised. They are always quick to pull apps even on silly reasons as this one.
Re:
Proof needed here for your first sentence.
You also can't pigeon hole people into one of two choices like that. All the article is trying to point out is that research needs to be done before laws get implemented. I agree it is not a speedy process but then why is the process so long in the first place?
Re:
The point that the article is trying to bring up is that its kind of silly to make legislation without doing the proper research first.
If you had to do an assignment on the types of pianos you wouldn't research 5 pianos then say you have researched it all. Same principle here if you ask me, do your ground work as best you can before you come up with crappy legislation that has to be fixed over and over.
Re:
I am not bashing you btw but your right if they had some sort of explanation like what you theorized then it would make them look less foolish.
My opinion is the government has no reasonable explanation and that it is a lot of fabrication but I hope and pray that I am proven wrong.
Re: You're simply hard of understanding, Mike.
As much as you want to say this is about piracy its so much bigger than piracy and that is what you have to realize.
Why do they blame the transfer method
I happen to think alot of these methods to transfer files are pretty cool and have real world applications. Ask anyone about Torrents or P2P and their first answer will be its illegal.
Re: "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?
I've lost count how many times Mike says this is not what he suggests. But keep on going OOTB. Maybe one day you'll quote him correctly and stop deionizing everyone on the site.
On a side note you seem not to understand how Youtube works do ya?
Re: Problem is that Melchoir Rietveldt got greedy!
As far as I know, no pirate makes money off the things they sell and have no contract to deal with. This does not mean I condone piracy and Mike has said time and time again he does not condone piracy and I am pretty sure most people on this site don't condone it. You are so quick to jump and call everyone a pirate. Personally I find that offensive but thats just my view.
In this story we have a case where a company who regularly come down harsh on people for copyright infringement and they are caught infringing on copyright on a massive scale. I think everyone should be accountable for what they do and that includes the big companies. We can't afford to keep on using a different measuring stick when it comes to a large coorperation.
Another thing too is if a coorperation can't obey the rules how do we expect them to even do the same when stronger laws come into place?
(untitled comment)
I don't know if people get the whole "Streisand Effect" and more people are learning the hard way. I don't have anything against this dentist but if this is how you treat your customers then good luck getting customers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
However a lot of people who are in support of SOPA generally are saying the same thing and to use your term seem like "SOPA-BOTS".
All I want is generally a good discussion. If it turns out that they are convincing enough or in the worse case scenario if I am wrong I will admit it and hopefully would have learned something new from the entire discussion.
Re: Re: Re:
In the end you can't have a discussion with these people who are so set in their ways and can't think independently. As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
Re: Mike uses "study" or "survey" when he /agrees/ with the results.
Re: "their gamer customers will stay angry."
(untitled comment)
I don't live in the United States, I live outside and one of my major issues I always have is getting my hands on games at a reasonable price and time. I remember a few years back when a few friends of mine from the United States were trying to get me to get Left 4 Dead and it was really late so stores where I am won't be open that late so I would have to wait till the next day. Then one of them commented why don't I just use Steam and get it. Low and behold I downloaded Steam and in seconds I had purchased Steam (at a discount too if I remember correctly) and I was downloading it. About 2 hours after that I was playing Left 4 dead with my friends.
A lot of people are always concerned about the United States this and that but what you have to realize is that they have others out there who buy games too. I am an avid gamer and Steam for me was like a Godsend with its ease and it worked for me.
Ubisoft has had good games over the years but their lack of respect for me as a gamer was disconcerting and I haven't played anything from them since Assassin's Creed. I have other companies that I would rather give my money to and even to pirate the game isn't even worth my time.
I know it was never brought up in the article but whenever people talk of piracy they say its a lost sale but isn't me not buying your game or even purchasing your game a lost sale as well?
I think Ubisoft has to be careful what they say and even how they say it. Having good games is one thing but if you continue to piss off your gaming community it won't end well at all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
My overall point is, these people have a medical card that is supposed to let the authorities know what is what. The fact that they ignore them makes me wonder if they should be there in the first place.
Re: Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
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