TSA Force Breast Cancer Patient To Submit To Patdown, Refuse To Let Her Show ID Card About Implants

from the feeling-safer? dept

Mon, Oct 3rd 2011 2:43pm — Mike Masnick

Another day, another ridiculous story about the TSA "making us safer." This one was submitted by plenty of folks, but Guy Thomas gets credit for being first. It involves a breast cancer patient, Lori Dorn, who recently had a bilateral mastectomy, and has tissue expanders installed. She has a card that explains the details of this, and why it can set off airport security.

Of course, she did set off an alarm at JFK... and then the TSA both refused to let her show the card explaining the details, but also required her to be physically groped by the TSA -- with them loudly threatening her that she wouldn't fly otherwise. They also kept her out of sight from her luggage:

I told her that I was not comfortable with having my breasts touched and that I had a card in my wallet that explains the type of expanders, serial numbers and my doctor�s information (pictured) and asked to retrieve it. This request was denied. Instead, she called over a female supervisor who told me the exam had to take place. I was again told that I could not retrieve the card and needed to submit to a physical exam in order to be cleared. She then said, �And if we don�t clear you, you don�t fly� loud enough for other passengers to hear. And they did. And they stared at the bald woman being yelled at by a TSA Supervisor.

To my further dismay, my belongings, including my computer, were completely out of sight. I had no choice but to allow an agent to touch my breasts in front of other passengers.

As Dorn explains, "I have been through emotional and physical hell this past year due to breast cancer. The way I was treated by these TSA agents added a shitload of insult to injury and caused me a great deal of humiliation." In a separate interview with the NY Times, she notes that her breasts still hurt, and she was worried about the pain of the patdown, and that she was never offered the option of a patdown in a private area (as the TSA insists they grant). That article also contains a typical PR-laden response from the TSA:

We strive to treat every passenger with dignity and respect. In this case, that may not have happened. During the screening process, if advanced imaging technology detects an anomaly that cannot be cleared, secondary screening is required to ensure the passenger does not have threat items, such as explosives concealed under clothing.

All passengers may request private secondary screening. While an initial review indicates that proper screening procedures were followed, we regret that this passenger did not have a positive experience.

Which, of course, brings to mind a simple question: does anyone actually have a positive experience dealing with the TSA patdowns?

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Dark Helmet (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:47pm

Hey....
When the TSA says "tough titties", they mean it!
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- Mr. Smarta**, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:38pm
  
  Re: Hey....
  I believe there's a great opportunity here. The US Government could actually hit two birds with one stone. OMG!! The answer!!!
  
  Combine TSA with the medical field. That way, every time you fly, you get a complete medical physical. Imagine that! Every time you book a flight, you get the complementary mammagram and/or hernia check. Or even the rectal examination. It gets fed into the computer, and your test results are waiting for you at your destination. Make all the TSA agents doctors. I think there's a 30 minute doctor's exam online they can take to get board certified.
  
  Oh, I'm soooo patenting that right now.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:59pm
    
    Re: Re: Hey....
    We already know that the government does not obey such things as copyright... They hardly even use the constitution anymore.
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AdamR (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:49pm

Unfortunately nothing new here, just the TSA acting like a bunch of untrained monkey's that they are.

My father had knee replacement surgery five or six ago, and the doctor gave him a similar plastic card that showed the manufacture, type of replacement, which leg, my fathers name, doctors name and number. He still gets treated like a potential terrorist.

A couple years ago we went on a trip and the metal detector tripped as usual but this time three goons surround him and started with the intimating pose's and harsh language. My dad looked at me was stunned by the attention, he keep looking at me and was trying to say something to me but they keep telling him shut up and move with them. The moment came were i was about to lose it and went straight to one of the TSA goons and said that's my father and you treat him with some respect he is 70 years old and war veteran and i walked right thru the goon to my dad. I said whats the problem, and my father answered before the other two agent could say anything. "You moron get ass back to x-ray scanner my wallet an cash are in that fucking plastic container and your letting any P.O.S walk up take it"
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- Anonymous American, 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:34am
  
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  Unfortunately nothing new here, just the TSA acting like a bunch of untrained monkey's that they are.
  
  The Untrained Monkey Anti-Defamation League is on the phone and asking for you.
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aguywhoneedstenbucks (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:49pm

Seriously?
Fucking hell. Are any politicians watching this shit? I don't give a damn about the TSA because I don't fly but this is retardulous. My biggest problem is that I don't see why they wouldn't even let her show her medical card explaining the situation.

My ex went through VNS therapy for epilepsy and she would have set off all sorts of scanners. She also has a lump in the upper left of her chest where the VNS system resides. She was given a card by the doctor that has the details of the device and her doctor's name and phone number. If this situation had ever popped up with her, they could have easily set off her epilepsy (she was very fragile, and any serious stress or scrutiny set her into seizures).

How much bad press does it take to get these jackasses to do what they're supposed to rather than being power-hungry douchebags? How many times do we have to hear about that before realizing that this is not an isolated incident?
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- Rikuo (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:16pm
  
  Re: Seriously?
  I am not really kidding when I say this, but it would take your ex having a seizure and DYING, while not being able to get any sort of medical attention, for them to enact any sort of meaningful change. I apologize if what I say is hurtful, but its how I figure things would act out.
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  - lucidrenegade (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:26pm
    
    Re: Re: Seriously?
    Hate to say it, but I have to agree.
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- Luke, 3 Oct 2011 @ 10:09pm
  
  Re: Seriously?
  There is a politician watching this. Ron Paul has routinely decried recent TSA tactics, and recently introduced the American Traveler Dignity Act. He argues that the TSA should be abolished.
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Bill Silverstein (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:51pm

A way for the TSA to cut down on pat down complaints.
Contact Hooters, Playboy, Penthouse, Playgirl for the applications of men/women who did not quite make it. Give them the same training that the TSA agents currently have (an hour?). Let them do the pat downs.

Never mind, the complaints might increase because the pad downs where not thorough enough.
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- Erin B., 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:58pm
  
  Re: A way for the TSA to cut down on pat down complaints.
  I realize (or rather, hope desperately) that you're joking, but seriously, that's not funny. Go hang out at Gizmodo if you think that's funny or that it contributes to the conversation here.
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  - HothMonster, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:08pm
    
    Re: Re: A way for the TSA to cut down on pat down complaints.
    that comment has been in every TSA story on techdirt since this started
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  - Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:13pm
    
    Re: Re: A way for the TSA to cut down on pat down complaints.
    Sounds like you either have no sense of humor or have an application in to TSA and are threatened by Silverstein's suggestion.
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  - Mike42 (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:36pm
    
    Re: Re: A way for the TSA to cut down on pat down complaints.
    Why Gizmodo? He was talking about people being sexually aroused by members of the opposite sex, not by the latest Apple product.
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- Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:09pm
  
  Re: A way for the TSA to cut down on pat down complaints.
  +1 insightful.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:52pm

" does anyone actually have a positive experience dealing with the TSA patdowns?"

Probably 100,000 people a day. Remember, few people are doing to write "I got a pat down and it was excellent!". It is something that is either tolerable or it is not.

I would say that in this story, I doubt that the agent was "touching her breast" in front of other people, a secondary check wouldn't happen in a public place.
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- el_segfaulto (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:06pm
  
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  "I would say that in this story, I doubt that the agent was "touching her breast" in front of other people, a secondary check wouldn't happen in a public place."
  
  Well thank goodness for that! I mean, who wouldn't mind getting sexually molested so long as it wasn't in front of everybody.
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- MrWilson, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:10pm
  
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  I could see 100,000 people having at most a neutral or only slightly inconvenient experience with the TSA patdowns, but a positive experience? As in, they enjoyed it and are glad that it was done rather than having the option to forgo it?
  
  Are you suggesting that 100,000 people like to be groped? That's a lot of weird, kinky people. Another reason not to fly I guess.
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  - Troy Laurin (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 9:36pm
    
    Re: Re:
    Not exactly the TSA, but I regularly fly through Perth and Singapore airports for work. Because of the times I usually fly from Perth the security section usually isn't busy when I'm going through, so I'm almost always "randomly" screened for either an explosives residue test or a patdown - both of these are random screenings that come after the x-ray screening.
    
    I'd count myself as one of those who considers it a positive experience overall. It never takes more than about 60 seconds, the staff are polite and explain what's going to happen, and the patdowns don't feel like an invasion of privacy. On the flip side, being an Australian-born caucasian male usually wearing clean conservative clothes, I'm happy that the random selection doesn't equate to profiling.
    
    I guess in this implementation, even if the measures aren't likely to catch anyone (which I'm not qualified to assess), as a screening measure that adds nearly no inconvenience I'm happy to pay the cost.
    
    Then again, given how many people in Perth work in the mining industry in fly-in/fly-out jobs, I wonder how many "false" positives the explosives residue test gets when someone goes on holiday with the same hand luggage they take out to the mine site...
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- HothMonster, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:12pm
  
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  i got patted down by the TSA, it was a little square area blocked off with those ropes like a bank line. The are was placed squarely in the middle of all the scanners about 15 steps away from the scanners. In otherwords it couldnt have been more in the middle of everyone coming through security unless the had it up on a jumbotron in front of the checkpoint too. So yes im sure she got groped right in front of everyone.
  
  Secondary scan is after the metal detectors(which is the primary scan) in my experience, (in my own search in Vegas and seeing others getting patted down at other airports) its with in line-of-site of everyone coming through security
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- btr1701, 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:17pm
  
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  > a secondary check wouldn't happen in a public place.
  
  Yeah, 'cause they're notorious for following the rules to date.
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- DH's Love Child (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:28pm
  
  Re:
  Ahem.. I believe the correct response to this is...
  
  CITATION NEEDED
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 6:58am
    
    Re: Re:
    All the poster had to do was read the article.
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- Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:34pm
  
  Response to: Anonymous Coward on Oct 3rd, 2011 @ 2:52pm
  You clearly haven't been through one of these pat downs.
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- Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:56pm
  
  Re:
  I opted out of the "body scanner" in LAS and was subjected to the pat-down.
  
  I wouldn't say it was excellent, but it was indeed tolerable. None of my junk was fondled, and frankly, the guy who gave me the patdown seemed just as uneasy about it as I was.
  
  Ultimately, the worst part was that I had to wait an extra 5-10 mins for a guy to show up and give me the patdown, as they were clearly not ready to provide such treatment on-the-fly.
  
  The other thing that bothered me was that the guy "pushing" people through the scanner nearly tried to convince me that it would be OK to go through the scanner rather than receive a pat-down: "Sir, are you familiar with how the scanner works?"
  
  Anyhow, I'll opt-out again if confronted with another body-scan situation. I disagree with those scanners, and intend to make my statement by opting out every time.
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  - The Incoherent One (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 7:00pm
    
    Re: Re:
    Feeling lonely?
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 7:29am
  
  Re:
  You can trust in the TSA where 'able to be endured' is our version of a positive experience!
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 10:40am
  
  Re:
  I wouldn't call lack of thousands of complaints a positive experience. Millions of people sit in gridlocked traffic every day without going public to coplain about it, but no one would characterize that as positive.
  
  I will say I've gone through pat downs at LAX 3 times now after being pulled into the backscatter line and refusing it. All 3 times the TSA agents were reasonably friendly and non-agressive, with no apparent reaction to my refusing the X ray. The agent who patted me down was calm, deliberate and fairly non-invasive.
  
  The flip side of that, though, is I could easily have gotten a weapon through because of his not "pushing things" towards the more invasive extremes.
  
  Which of course proves this whole thing is ridiculous theater, and isn't accomplishing anything other than diminishing our right to privacy and dignity. If they were serious about thorough searches, everyone would be complaining.
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Your Friendly Neighborhood Librarian, 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:53pm

Hmm...
I'm trying to imagine a positive experience with the TSA and all I can visualize is hiring a stripper dressed as one ... but if they were realistic they'd make YOU strip, in public, grope you, humiliate you and not even leave you any bills in your underwear! Maybe a service for masochists only ...?
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gorehound (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:54pm

Bunch of A-Holes
More unbelievable but trues stories of those who are assaulted by the TSA and there is very little or nothing you can do about it.I used to fly more but now I only fly once a year and that is because I live in Maine and my folks live in Miami area.I have no choice but to feel degraded and be subjected to the disgusting TSA Tactics.They have harassed me more than one time already for no reason.
1.Was harassed in Chicago for no reason.summer travel w/ punk rock clothes/red hair was searched and had my Camera Case ripped apart.While doing that I knew they were also checking my name out and drivers liscense info.
2.Minneapolis: harassed by Cops by Outer Door as I hung out and read a book before going thru TSA.Got to TSA and got harassed by them.LIED to my face and said I could go thru new machine or get patted down.Went thru machine and he patted my dick and balls in return
3.NYC........might as well get some asshole TSA when you got to go thru NYC.Got to keep the love going round.left the gate to smoke a butt and TSA guys saw me as I walked right past them.Stood by outer door and smoked a cig and then went back in.ended up getting a grope job and ripped apart baggage out of my cig break.

Bottom Line:
I only go to visit my parents.Otherwise I stay around here or rent a car.
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- :Lobo Santo (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 2:57pm
  
  Re: Bunch of A-Holes
  Sadly, if I ever have to fly and am treated this way I'll likely be jailed for "assaulting" TSA agent(s)--of course, I will claim self defense.
  
  Remember, the key words to self defense are "I felt threatened."
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  - Atkray (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 7:49pm
    
    Re: Re: Bunch of A-Holes
    Don't forget P.T.S.S.
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:05pm

And to think, all this could have been avoided if she had put a label on her chest reading "saline solution".
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Brian Schroth (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:06pm

I had an extremely positive experience with a TSA patdown. Giggity giggity.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:08pm

Which, of course, brings to mind a simple question: does anyone actually have a positive experience dealing with the TSA patdowns?

I did. I got patted down and the guy apologized in advance, but I told him "Don't apologize to me, I'm not the one who has to make his living handling other men's dicks." It was quite a satisfactory experience... at least for me.
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Mr. Smarta**, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:09pm

If it goes that far...
If they're going to take it *that* far, they should at least dim the lights, light a candle and play some Barry Mannalow or some soft Kenny G through a nearby stereo. Or take you into a room with red silk and tiger striped furniture with a disco ball hanging from the ceiling spinning slowly. Then gently press you against the wall and moan a little bit with the music singing, "Ooooooh yeah, baby... That's what I'm talkin' about. Let me.... looooove you some more...." Afterwards, they should at least have the damned common courtesy to offer you a cigarette.
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MrWilson, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:11pm

"We strive to treat every passenger with dignity and respect..."

"...Unfortunately, our policies and procedures prohibit that."
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:13pm

Pirate Mike. Can't stand authority. Any story that makes those in authority look bad is good enough for Pirate Mike.

Yeah, this is a "tech blog."
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- martyburns (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 4:46am
  
  Re:
  Seriously? What the hell is your problem? You seem to spend so much time reading (though not comprehending) this site but you seem to hate it so much.
  
  I can only guess you have developed some sort of addiction to it as most people stop doing things that they don't enjoy unless they are compelled to.
  
  I think you need help. Or shorter lunch breaks. Or something.
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- Ninja (profile), 28 Oct 2011 @ 5:34am
  
  Re:
  Because I'm sure you'd like to have such a time with the TSA. Bad troll, no cavity search for you today.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:14pm

"Which, of course, brings to mind a simple question: does anyone actually have a positive experience dealing with the TSA patdowns?"

Perverts with low standards do.
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- Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 8:36am
  
  Re:
  I'll bite....
  
  I was heading to the 'Rally to Restore Sanity' some time back (which is also the last time I flew.)
  
  The goal of my trip was to take as few as items as possible, and pack everything into a jacket my mom got me for Christmas. This jacket had pockets everywhere, with magnets holding the pockets shut. It had a place in the hood to string your iPod earbuds.
  
  I am a smoker, so I had smokes and a lighter in my coat. When I walked up to security, I smelled like smoke, my coat had wires, a lighter, a small electronic device (my iPhone) and only a small carry on bag, no check-in bags.
  
  I knew before heading out I would be pulled aside. I just wasn't sure which airport (XNA, Atl, or Dulles).
  
  XNA was the airport that pulled me aside after my coat had gone thru the x-ray machine. They took me 5 feet away from the security line, to a small black pad.
  
  The lady was almost old enough to be my mom. She looked me in the eyes, explained that she would be performing a pat down, explained exactly where she was going to pat, but she was only going to use the back of her hands, and to let her know at any point if I was uncomfortable.
  
  She never touched a single private part, always informed me right before she would pat, and exactly how she was going to perform the pat, even though she had already covered that topic at the beginning of the pat down. Kind of like when getting a pap, when the DR explains "this is how this is done", and then proceeds to explain right before they do anything, and what to expect. She was that professional about it.
  
  It was a positive experience, IMHO, because I spent the whole way to DC and back without ever getting another pat down.
  
  This isn't saying I agree with the TSA, or their tactics, or motives, or the pervs within, or security theater. I am just relating a positive experience.
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  - Ninja (profile), 28 Oct 2011 @ 6:08am
    
    Re: Re:
    I believe you, there are still professionals that are really pro at what they do in this world. Unfortunately in the TSA it seems to be the exception.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:18pm

> Which, of course, brings to mind a simple question: does anyone actually have a positive experience dealing with the TSA patdowns?

I've flown more times in the past year or so than the rest of my life, but my most recent flight was the only one where they attempted to make me go through the naked scanner. I politely to opt-out.

Once I said that, the entire process was very professional. One TSA employee did the pat down (with all of the requisite warnings) while another TSA employee (who looked somewhat interested in my laptop's EFF sticker) asked me conversational questions about where I had been and the like.

The execution of my ordeal was very professional, even though I was incensed and anxious about having to go through the process. So: Positive experience? No. As positive as can be expected, given that they're systemically violating human rights? Well, okay. I'll give them that.
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goofbahl, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:19pm

Are they real?
Or are they Mamorex?
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Nathan F (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:25pm

I have to wonder if she has a case for rights violations under the Americans with Disabilities Act. She claimed she had a medical issue requiring the TSA to treat her differently than the average Jane Q Public, and then when she tried to prove such they denied her the ability to do so.

Being a Federal Law wouldn't it go to Federal Court as opposed to something local?
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- lucidrenegade (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:33pm
  
  Re:
  Interesting question. I'd bet that the TSA response would be one of the following:
  
  Classified
  State Secret
  or any other bullshit excuse they could think up
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Prashanth (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:26pm

Not me, but friends
I certainly have not had a positive experience with the TSA; it was certainly very intrusive the way they patted me down, though to their credit they did try to do it professionally and they did listen to my concerns about the medical issues I have (internal stuff, not external like this or the colostomy bags or anything like that). My friends have either been indifferent or positive, though I'm happy that I was able to turn one of my friend's naively positive attitude towards the TSA into at least some level of skepticism.
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DCX2, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:31pm

TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
My mother had both of her hips replaced. She has a similar card, detailing all of the medical information about her hips. When she goes to the airport, she tries to show them the card before hand, so they know why she set off the metal detector.

Not a single one of them has ever bothered to see the card. What's the point of these cards if no one will look at them?
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- Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:00pm
  
  Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
  Don't you think that someone could easily obtain a card like that, but actually be hiding something on their person instead? What is the control on those cards?
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  - Vincent Clement (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 6:04am
    
    Re: Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
    Don't you think that real security would mean asking the person some additional questions and assessing the responses?
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  - Andrew (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 6:40am
    
    Re: Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
    To that I say these cards have the detailed information about doctor and number. If you are unsure use the card and call the doctor and get the information you want.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 8:19am
      
      Re: Re: Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
      Ahh, yes. Okay, everyone stop the line, we have to call the doctors office. It's only going to take 20 minutes, shut down the system while we wait.
      
      Do you really think doctors will want to field hundreds of phone calls a day as people travel?
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      - Andrew (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:25am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
        Are you seriously implying that there are only a few TSA agents working or that the % of passengers with this is that high? Its kind of why they have multiple staff and if anything move the person to the side until the call is made.
        
        My overall point is, these people have a medical card that is supposed to let the authorities know what is what. The fact that they ignore them makes me wonder if they should be there in the first place.
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- Vincent Clement (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 6:02am
  
  Re: TSA doesn't care about doctor's cards
  Because TSA agents are not trained to think or assess a situation. They are trained to do things and to respond to predetermined factors by initiating whatever dumbass procedure the TSA came up with.
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PlagueSD (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:34pm

I haven't gone through the "pat-down" charade yet, but being a "brig chaser" in the Military, I've done plenty of pat-downs. I can't wait for them to do that, then I can tell them EVERYTHING they did wrong.

Another of my favorites are the "pat-downs" you get at amusement parks or stadiums. I just have to laugh at those. I could strap an M-16 on my back and get through those.
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- :Lobo Santo (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:36pm
  
  Re: ah-hem
  There's quite a difference between "Security" and "Security Theatre" as you've just pointed out.
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- Pitabred (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:50pm
  
  Re:
  Good, it's not just me. I always wondered what they thought they were protecting against, because there were lots of ways I could think of to easily get weapons into those parks.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:41pm

I'm surprised one of the Republicans doesn't just run on an Anti-TSA platform.
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- Chosen Reject (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:57pm
  
  Re:
  You mean like Gary Johnson or Ron Paul?
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- Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:48pm
  
  Re:
  An anti-TSA platform would easily be turned into a "we don't care about people's security" by the other side, and they would lose out every time. Trying to explain why you want less security in the face of terrorist acts is pretty much impossible to do. Yes, you could possibly explain it to a small number of people in the know, that the same people who think that Obama is a muslim, would not be able to grasp the concept.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:44pm

I've flown twice this summer. I avoided the naked scanners and went through the metal detectors. (As did MANY people contrary to what the TSA would have you believe.)

It really wasn't the horror story that I keep reading about, which is why the TSA is probably so dismissive.

But then again, if the security practices aren't standardized, what good are they?
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- lucidrenegade (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:36pm
  
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  So you were given a choice of metal detector or naked scanner?
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Overcast (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:51pm

The Tyrannical Sexual Abusers strike again!
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r, 3 Oct 2011 @ 3:53pm

Breast Implant Bombs?
The TSA is dogmatic and really does things that invade the privacy of people as part of the job they are tasked with, but really... Breast Implant bombs. I suppose it's possible... but I really think this woman was treated badly.
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- PrometheeFeu (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:58pm
  
  Re: Breast Implant Bombs?
  Let's say those were breast-implant bombs... How is the pat-down going to allow you to differentiate them from breast-implants?
  
  The solution is clear, TSA agents should be shamed and made uncomfortable and unwelcome everywhere and every single second of their lives until the TSA changes its policy. Being a TSA agent should be met with the same opprobrium as being a rapist.
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  - lucidrenegade (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:40pm
    
    Re: Re: Breast Implant Bombs?
    In this day and age, I'd rather have someone be a TSA agent than on welfare (though you could argue it's the same thing). However, there's no excuse for the ones that act like assholes. They should be taken out back and severely beaten.
    
    *Oh crap, here come the Marshals*
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    - Atkray (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 7:55pm
      
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      I agree that TSA agent and welfare recipient are probably equivalent but:
      
      Most people on welfare aren't groping thousands of people a day.
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    - PrometheeFeu (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:52am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Breast Implant Bombs?
      Really? Would you also prefer people turn to extortion or theft as a means of feeding themselves than welfare?
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:11am
    
    Re: Re: Breast Implant Bombs?
    Oh boy... talk about a stupid idea.
    
    How about we shame file traders every where they go? Would you like to introduce a scarlet letter thing, where we can mark on people's foreheads who they work for and what crimes the have allegedly committed without being brought to justice?
    
    Fuck me, that has got to be the most dumb post in this thread, and that is saying a bunch.
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    - PrometheeFeu (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:50am
      
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      "How about we shame file traders every where they go?"
      
      I for one don't find file trading to be something worthy of shame and public opprobrium so I won't participate in such an enterprise. But if you believe that file-sharing is a despicable act, then it would make sense for you to apply social pressure on file sharers.
      
      "Would you like to introduce a scarlet letter thing, where we can mark on people's foreheads who they work for and what crimes the have allegedly committed without being brought to justice?"
      
      No. That would involve coercion and the threat of force and would be unacceptable. I would instead be satisfied if TSA agents hid their professions for fear of being mocked and shunned. You should realize that there are norms which society abides by which are not codified in laws. For instance, a person who is a manipulative jerk and emotionally abuses people around him will be the target of public opprobrium no matter what the law may say. Are you saying it is wrong for me to refuse to invite to my parties people who are manipulative jerks? Would it be wrong for me to refuse to do business with companies that perform extraordinary renditions for the US government? If TSA agents could be prosecuted in a court of law for sexual harassment and rape, I would find that preferable. But given that it is not an option, I will settle for not inviting them at my parties, refusing to do business with them, ignoring them whenever possible and encouraging others to do the same.
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    - PrometheeFeu (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:51am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Breast Implant Bombs?
      "Fuck me"
      
      I almost forgot... No.
      
      "that has got to be the most dumb post in this thread, and that is saying a bunch."
      
      Thank you for the compliment.
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PBC, 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:51pm

Things we already knew
Its listed pretty clearly on the TSA website how they handle this:

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/breast_prosthetic.shtm

They make it pretty clear that you are getting a pat down if you come rolling in with those. I'm not saying it's right, but its written policy that was easily found ahead of time. Also, if she had the option to skip out on it, that option just requires that you skip out on the flying. Again, not saying its right, but it is what it is, and she had a choice to make as to what was more important to her.
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- Prashanth (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:34pm
  
  Re: Things we already knew
  What if she was flying to Hawaii? The government has no right to prevent interstate travel. (And don't tell me she should have taken a boat; that's out of the question.)
  Plus, how can they expect every flier to look up these rules & regulations online ahead of time? Actually, as sad as this sounds. how can they expect everyone to have a steady Internet connection to look up these things ahead of time?
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  - Atkray (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 8:31pm
    
    Re: Re: Things we already knew
    Don't worry with ACTA and PROTECT IP people won't have to worry about looking things up on the internet.
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- Hans, 3 Oct 2011 @ 8:34pm
  
  Re: Things we already knew
  They make it pretty clear that you are getting a pat down if you come rolling in with [breast prosthesis].
  
  Just to be clear, the article said she didn't have prosthesis, she had tissue expanders, similar but different. They're simply saline filled balloons, hard as rocks and quite painful, I was told.
  
  The woman already had to have both her breasts removed, is likely already suffering both emotionally as well as physically (from both cancer treatment and mastectomy surgery), and now these sub-human turds in the TSA want to grope her chest.
  
  Good thing they've prevented so many terrorists from killing us that we can justify such treatment of a woman who will likely eventually die from her disease. I hope all the ass-hats that say "if even one life is saved" feel good about this. Yea America!
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  - Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 5:54am
    
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    Actually, they include metal parts, which is the real issue here. Regular saline implants would not set of the metal detector. These things have a structure or supporting system made out of metal, and they will set of the alarms every time.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 7:09am
      
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      Thanks to both of you for explaining the difference between expanders and implants.
      
      This woman has gone and is going through emotional and physical hell in order to regain a bit of something irretreviably lost to her and through no fault of her own.
      
      Reading through this thread...okay, jokey joke. But the lack of basic understanding in some of the posts is really grim and no better than the behavior of those TSA agents.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 8:23am
        
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        Yup. You have to understand why these things make the metal detectors go off before you can go further. No, girls with normal standard saline implants (or gel) aren't getting dragged off for a cheap feel. Saline doesn't set off the metal detectors.
        
        I feel sorry for any woman who has to have a mastectomy. It's a horrible feeling, I am sure, and something horrible that has to be lived with every day. But I cannot say that I want TSA agents to use sympathy as a reason not to check people, because it wouldn't be long before we would have double mastectomy suicide bombers as a result. It's sad to think of it that way, but the terrorists look at any small hole as a chance to attack.
        
        It might be better if these implants had some sort of RFID tag or something in them that would allow them to be more readily identified. I cannot see any simple solution for the TSA in regards to add in metal parts.
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        Hans, 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:41am
        
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        "You have to understand why these things make the metal detectors go off before you can go further."
        
        No we don't. Why do we care why they "go off"? Whether metal or the higher density of saline than body tissue (or fat) triggers the alarm, who knows? It's irrelevant to this woman's pain and the foolishness of the TSA.
        
        "But I cannot say that I want TSA agents to use sympathy as a reason not to check people, because it wouldn't be long before we would have double mastectomy suicide bombers as a result."
        
        Absurd. It's been common knowledge for years that the lines outside of security are a much softer, much easier, much bigger target. The bomber wouldn't need to go through surgery, but simply fill a (large) suitcase with explosives. How many bombs have gone off there?
        
        A cost/benefit analysis easily shows that the pure folly of post-9/11 airport security. The TSA security process, wastes billions of taxpayer dollars, for the comfort of a few. If people are too scared to fly on airplanes without TSA security, then they don't have to fly. They have other choices. There is no right to fly securely at the cost to millions of taxpayers.
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    - Hans, 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:24am
      
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      "Actually, they include metal parts, which is the real issue here. Regular saline implants would not set of the metal detector."
      
      She didn't go through the metal detector, she went through the imaging scanner. But really, who cares?
      
      The security process does not prevent terrorists, only comfort for the foolish, and pain for the unfortunate, wasting billions of dollars.
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John Doe, 3 Oct 2011 @ 4:57pm

I flew today
I flew today and just to show my contempt for the process I left my chapstick in my pocket instead of putting it in my quart bag with the other liquids and gells. Also kept my bladder full so I could carry on more liquids.
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fb39ca4, 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:11pm

They make children choose between the scanner or pat down now
Today morning I (a 14 year old) flew from detroit to Seattle and some TSA perv singled me out to go through the scanner. Meanwhile, he let a bunch of adults just go through the metal detector. I am not convinced these scanners are safe, as people are accusing the TSA of covering up studies on them.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:39pm

patdowns
I had an excellent experience with a TSA patdown. If they had thought I was gay they might have had a woman do it.
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- lucidrenegade (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 5:44pm
  
  Re: patdowns
  If you enjoy getting molested by a 300 pound angry black woman, more power to ya'.
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Bryce Byerley, 3 Oct 2011 @ 6:47pm

TSA "Apologised"
So the TSA posted someting on their blog...

http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/10/cancer-patient-screening-at-jfk.html

One of the commnetators on G+ summed it up nicely.

"Sorry that you, personally, were offended but all we did wrong was not let you get your (pointless to us) medical card and offer a private screening."
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2011 @ 7:02pm

THUGS
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dfed (profile), 3 Oct 2011 @ 8:51pm

So how is it her implants set off a scanner? I was under the impression from TSA themselves on their own blog their scanners can't see past skin deep.
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- I-Blz, 4 Oct 2011 @ 7:15am
  
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  They aren't implants, per-se. They're tissue expanders, which are saline-filled balloons with a METAL frame supporting them. As such, they are, like, 90% metal, and JUST close enough to the skin to set off the detectors every time.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 12:01am

We strive to treat every passenger with dignity and respect.

"Dignity and respect"? More like "derision and rape".
I'd ask why this insanity is still even happening, but I already know the answer: anyone in a position of power to put a stop to it gets skipped over. If Obama ever got the Amy Alkon treatment, the TSA would evaporate overnight.
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- PrometheeFeu (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 9:55am
  
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  "If Obama ever got the Amy Alkon treatment, the TSA would evaporate overnight."
  
  That's the saddest part. I think the fairest thing to do is this: Let the president, the VP, the head of the DHS and their respective families go through the groping in front of everybody. Then the rest of us might feel a little better about it.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 1:42am

Just you wait until they start fucking you in the ass. Ah, how you'll remember the days when it wasn't this bad. This comic has it right:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2366#comic
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Thomas (profile), 4 Oct 2011 @ 5:34am

TSA...pervs
Plain an simple, the TSA agents are perverts. They absolutely love to fondle people, especially women and teenage girls. They get away with things that would send the rest of us to prison for a long time.

And how many terrorists has the TSA actually caught?
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 10:47am

Stop Flying
BOYCOTT The Entire Industry. Take a Train, Drive a car, Take a boat or charter your own plane. Boycott these procedures by not flying. Let the bastards lose money for this. Where were the safety procedures for borading flights 10 years ago? We are going backwards in civilization because of these assholes in robes and rags on their heads?
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 12:16pm

I have a card that says I am the president of the united states, doesn't mean the card tells the truth.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 12:29pm

I think the best way to smuggle explosives in the airport is to use a small child, parents tend to complain about their kids getting pat downs and with some much crap happening to TSA, take this as an opertunity to use the kids to smuggle those weapons. Nobody would ever expect them to search the children and if they do, you can be assured that the media will have a party with it.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2011 @ 4:24pm

I've stopped flying; I was tired of getting felt up every flight. Flying with family, alone for work, etc. Every flight, even before TSA started to molest everyone. Not sure what flags a 50 year old white Marine trips, but I seem to do it every time.
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Alfred, 5 Oct 2011 @ 11:34am

TSA force breast cancer patient
I was thinking that all the Human Resources People at TSA should be arrested for fraud and gross incompetence ....... then I realized ....... THEY are the only 'terrorist finders" in the whole organization. We should just save time and ARREST everbody that TSA Human Resources HIRES. After all, that is ALL they HIRE, perverts, thieves, murderers, drug smugglers, and assorted other TERRORISTS. Now if I owned a company and wanted Human Resources Personnel, TSA on the reume would end all discussion.
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j r, 5 Oct 2011 @ 12:30pm

I don't fly anymore
I know if I did I'd wind up in prison for crippling the SOB for grabbing my dick.
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Robert, 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:27pm

TSA
The actions and proceedures of the TSA seem to point to a hidden agenda - setting themselves up as a scapegoat, or preparing and introducing the American people to some sort of police state. The idea that the TSA's efforts are to prevent terrorist actions by terrorizing innocent Americans, smells of high conspiratorial intent.
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gmathol, 5 Oct 2011 @ 4:13pm

Stop flying.
In less then 3 month the TSA (temporary stupid activity) will disappear.
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Jennifer, 7 Jan 2013 @ 6:06pm

Am I The Only Crazy One
I have gone through countless airports where I have gone through both the body scanner as well as the metal detector and I set them both off a majority of the time. While the Pat Down isn't at the top of my most favorite experiences they aren't mean about them. I would feel worse if they just let me through with out re screening me. I mean Im sure yours is real but how hard is it really to make a card that says why Im alarming? I could have a gun in my waist band and alarm the metal detector. Should they just let me pass by because I have a card that says I have a knee replacement?
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