Video Games And Influence
from the depends-on-who-you-talk-to dept
In our recent post about some old rockers complaining about music video games being no substitute for actually playing instruments (not that anyone claimed it was), one of our commenters, Comboman, made a rather amusing point concerning complaints against video games:Video game critics claim violent games will make kids want to imitate the game and do real violent acts. Now they're complaining that music games will make kids NOT want to imitate the game and do real music?To be fair, it's a different group of people complaining this time, but it is rather amusing.
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A damn good point
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http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20090913/1709366172#c445
there are many instances of this contradictory doublethink around.
The reason is simple. These people don't start from a rational analysis and use it to arrive at a conclusion. Instead they start at a conclusion (usually based on a combination of self interest and emotion) and then synthesise some "analysis" to support it. Also each topic is separate in their heads so the contradictions aren't obvious.
Add to all this the "something must be done" mentality and you see the result.
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A detailed explanation
Music video games are an issue because in the game, NOT creating music is the solution to the game's obstacles. This (NOT creating music) is behavior you don't want kids to emulate (i.e. you want kids TO create music or at least to value the creation of music).
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While this is true, that in violent games, the violence is the solution, in music games, this is not the case.
In music games, you ARE creating (or playing) music as a solution to obstacle. You are not creating it in sense that it is not actually real-world music; and you are not really playing guitar in "Guitar Hero".
But by the same token, in violent games you're not using real weapons either.
The goal of FPS games is to shoot (violence), while the goal of "Guitar Hero" is [b]play guitar[/b] (music), duh!
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So, since it's impossible to get everyone to create, I'd say a game that introduces everyone to new art (as well as several skills) is a good second.
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I've played violent games all my life and have yet to shoot anyone. I am also fairly sure I am not the exception here ;-)
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I can operate set of assault weapons as M16 and grenade launcher.
So what? I'm very sure that I am not an exception either.
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You're a Chicago cop, aren't you?
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Nothing in any violent game (and I've played plenty) has gotten me as angry as that.
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I think you are very close to the real source of violence, the DRM. After legally obtaining software that treats me like I am a criminal, I'll admit that the idea entered my mind to go bash in a few skulls at the publisher's HQ.
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Bad Parents
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Not really...
Also I think it should be noted that Rock Band/Guitar Hero are not substitutes because they are very different from actually playing the instrument. I play electric bass and although I find these games very fun they cannot replace the real thing. To kind of illustrate this, the first time I ever played Guitar Hero I thought it would be easy since I play a real instrument but this was definitely not the case and it took me a few hours to get used to the game. Muscians need to stop complaining.
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More Realism
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Imitating < > Doing
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It got me to play the drums
I never played a day of tennis in my life. A few years ago one of my roommates had TopSpin for the XBox. Thanks to the game I learned the basic rules and scoring for Tennis. I was then inspired to look up more details on how to play, bought a tennis racket, and I now play real tennis on a very regular basis.
I purchased Guitar Hero World Tour when it came out. I had never played the drums before then. I started playing the drums in the game and progressed through the difficulty levels. A good friend of mine who has been playing drums for years watched me play. At first he was of the "pfffft, it's just fake instruments" mindset but after watching for a bit he said I should see if the skills translate to a real drum set. A few days later I went to his house and started banging on his drums. My friend then asked again to make sure "you really never played the drums before?" He was quite impressed with the amount of progress I had made having only played the video game before that. I have now jammed on his drums on a number different occasions, and while there are some definite differences, lots skills you learn from the game translate to a real drum set. At the moment I live in an apartment, which prevents me from purchasing a real drum set, but once I move into a house you can be quite sure that I will be getting one, and until then can keep working on my skills without annoying my neighbors by playing the game.
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I win: gaining appreciation of music.
My family wins: Time spent together.
Beatles Win: My bro bought their album
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Jack Thompson once played a lawyer simulator.
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Thank goodness you didn't have concurrent blowupapookatosis as so many of my generation suffered. That could have gotten real ugly.
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What I've seen:
Multiple people who got hooked on Williams Pinball Hall of Fame for the Wii turn into real life pinball collectors...
I know people who are into classic cars now that were sparked by their addiction to driving video games...
I'm yet to meet anyone who plays Halo that goes out dressed in blue killing everyone that he sees dressed in Red. Nor have I seen any of them even carry a gun or express any interest in real life guns. Same goes for the COD crowd.
People can be influenced by any number of things, but most people's morals kick in and let them know what behavior is appropriate and what is not.
That extremely low percentage of people with little or no moral compass can be influenced by any number of things. Does anyone really think we should try to rid the world of all of them?
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They're wrong
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they should take that game off the shelves
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I reloaded my laptop with Windows XP and got a virus within 5 min looking for the drivers. That I got violent over. I think I sprained my wrist.
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From the Mountain out of a Molehill department
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how is responsible??
comprar r4 ds
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Playing music in games makes kids more aware
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Free games
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In fewer words
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the games
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the games
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