Hadopi Already Up To Sending Out 25,000 'First Strike' Notices Per Day

from the no-internet-for-you dept

Mon, Oct 25th 2010 5:03am — Mike Masnick

When Hadopi first started sending out "you're an infringer!" first strike notices last month, we noted that it was initially sending out 10,000 per day with plans to ramp up to 50,000. It isn't taking long. The latest reports show that it's already sending out 25,000 notices per day. That seems like an awful lot. Remember, in all the years the RIAA was suing individuals for file sharing, it only ended up suing 18,000 people total, though it threatened legal action against 30,000.

Of course, this should give you an indication of why the entertainment industry likes these sorts of three strikes things much more than actual due process and lawsuits. They can go after a lot more people, for a lot less money, and a lot less of pesky due process and silly antiquated concepts like "innocent until proven guilty."

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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:10am

Sounds like they plan on suing everyone. That will take them what, 3.5 years@50k/day?
They might as well make the Internet illegal in France. It's obviously being misused.
...sigh
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abc gum, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:28am

I wonder what the collateral damage will look like.

I'm guessing that a ten percent rate of error would be low. I'm sure they are busy defining what constitutes an error in a misguided attempt to minimize the resulting bad PR.

There are going to be a lot pissed off people.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:29am

Since the sytem is based on accusations, not proven or substantiated claims, I'm suprised that every IP ever used by the RIAA wasn't on that list immediately. Having them legally disconnected is even better than a DDoS attack.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:31am

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/91113/mpaa-urges-japan-to-adopt-three-strikes/

The good news is that, it doesn't matter, no law will stop the "piracy phenomenon", because that is about connecting with others and the only way to stop it is to stop all inter-communications between people and I don't see that happening ever.

I read that some in the industry want to bring "piracy" to acceptable levels, that always put a smile on my face. To see how naive some people can be assuming of course that was the real intent of those statements.

Since the law in France was passed filesharing grew 3% already and it is showing no signs of slowing.

Perhaps in 10 years other will see how this all works out, in the meantime I will continue to backup my DVD's, not to buy music from labels and their hundreds of fronts and keep teasing them about it.

I'm a pissed off consumer, one that will not give a f'ing dime to those people if I can help it, more importantly I'm aggressively lobbying everybody I know to find alternatives, pirating that stuff is still giving them something that has value and that is attention.
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dave blevins, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:33am

Tit for Tat
The "3 strike" rule needs to be enforced against these senders of notices: 3 errors and they're cut off the internet (and all their employees too).
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abc gum, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:39am

Re:
FWIW - recommended change, replace filesharing with copyright infringement

From the Dept of Redundancy dept:
Every computer connected to a network shares files, that is how it works.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:43am

Re:
that should read ... le sigh
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Marcel de Jong (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:51am

France, the country full of outlaws?
Shouldn't that number raise a HUGE red flag for HADOPI? If that many people are committing civil disobedience, perhaps the laws are wrong?
You can't have millions of outlaws, can you?
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 5:53am

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/10/24/rare.earth.bubble.ft/index.html?hpt=Sbin

On the political front, China has reduced the exports of rare earth metals to low levels that threatens the high tech industries of other countries this is what you get when you piss off others.

This is why the U.S. will not be able to enforce ridiculous laws everywhere, they don't get the power to do so, the BRIC is growing in influence and together with Africa they are owners of almost all raw resources available on earth and China owns Africa while the U.S. lost the capacity to influence Africa.

India, Brazil and some African countries have already organized something I think it is called Like Minded Megadiverse Countries (LMMC).

The LMMC Group has been created to Act as a mechanism of cooperation to promote their interests regarding biological diversity and in particular the protection of traditional knowledge, access to genetic resources and the fair and equitable sharing of benefits derived from their use.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/did-colgate-steal-tootpaste-recipe.php
http://lmmc. nic.in/

Colgate the biopirate :)

About the rule of law, 2 U.S. marshals flee Brazil after being charged with assault for handcuffing a passenger in a flight.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/21/us.brazil.air.marshals/?hpt=T1

If the law is the law, those 2 marshals should be in a jail by now right? Not even law enforcement apparently respect the law in the U.S..

Us one politician once said, "For my friends everything for my enemies the law", it reminds me of Bush Jr.
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Johnny, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:00am

Another thing in it for the MAFIAA
This (HADOPI) is all being paid with TAX money.
Our tax are being used to shore up the business model of private firms....
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Richard (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:03am

Fifty Million Frenchmen
At that rate, in five years they'll hit 50 Million, maybe they'll remember the reputation for freedom France used to have...

"When they put on a show, and it's a hit
No one tries to censor it
Fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong.
And when a book is selling at it's best
It isn't stopped; it's not suppressed.
Fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong."

Source
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:03am

Hadopi is the R.I.A.A's BITCH!

R.I.A.A. Real Ignorant Assholes of America
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:21am

Simple math.
When CD sales don't go up what happens next?

Sarkosy will pass a law forcing people to buy one CD each month?
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Rich Kulawiec, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:27am

Time to call their bluff
Everyone in France should make it a point to be detected as "infringing". (It occurs to me that perhaps I should write a browser plug-in that will trip the detectors each time a button is pushed.) Everyone.
Then let's see how long this lasts. Is France, as a nation, actually willing to cut off its entire population to prop up extortionists?
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:33am

Re:
it reminds me of Bush Jr.
More like all politicians. Recall Obama's cabinet appointees having trouble paying their taxes? Did any of them get reamed?
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:38am

Article is completely wrong
If you read the news quoted by the article it says that "rights-holders are reporting 25,000 music related copyright infringements to HADOPI every day" it doesn't say anywhere that 25000 mails are sent everyday !!

If you read this (in french sorry) http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/60008-hadopi-volumetrie-identification-email.htm

it says that the goal is to reach 1000/2000 emails everyday by end of 2010 ...

Anyway, it still sucks but misinformation is what help pass these kind of laws so might as well set things straight where we can...
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Anon, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:38am

Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Or at the very least, it's a very obvious indication that you do not share the opinion of your electorate.
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Jeb, 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:39am

Reasonable mode of cost recovery
I'm not an RIAA fan by any means, but I have a big problem with depriving artists of reasonable compensation for the fruits of their labors. While it's ridiculous to think that we could ever stop piracy outright, I believe that cost recovery for the producers of digital goods is something that should be pursued so that the artists and developers continue to produce the things we need and/or enjoy.
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fogbugzd (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 6:43am

50K angry customers a day
What kind of business model is based on an objective of making 50,000 customers angry every day? Even if the strategy is 100% effective in shutting down file sharing will it create new CD or movie sales? There is lots of evidence that illegal downloaders also buy a lot of music. How many thousand of those customers swear off ever buying a CD or movie again?

For that matter, how many political parties can survive a system that angers 50,000 voters a day?
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:01am

Re: Re:
Sorry my bad, you are right all of them(politicians) is more like it.
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The Mighty Buzzard (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:08am

Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Yes, you can. See prohibition and how well that worked out.
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The Mighty Buzzard (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:14am

Re: Simple math.
Of course not, we're talking France here. They'll be government subsidized, of course, and it will be four per month rather than one.
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The Mighty Buzzard (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:25am

Re: Reasonable mode of cost recovery
Wait, when did making your money back become a certainty in the anything publishing business?

That said, they're only hurting at all because Apple and Amazon beat them to the "setting up a usable, online music store" chase. If they'd done it themselves, they wouldn't be having to give Apple or Amazon a thin dime of their profits.

If they'd bought Napster and stuck their entire catalogs on it at say a quarter per song, they'd be laughing all the way to the bank. But that's new, change, frightening, so they scream bloody murder that their buggy whips^W^W CDs aren't selling as well as they'd like anymore.
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nasch (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:37am

Re:
I'm sure ordinary citizens aren't allowed to make accusations, just powerful entertainment corporations. It's funny because it's true! Did I say funny? I meant depressing! Ha ha!
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nasch (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:40am

Re: Re:
The preceeding comment was brought to you by the Department of Useless Pedantry.
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nasch (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:44am

Re: Reasonable mode of cost recovery
How does kicking people off the internet recover any costs anyway?
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John Paul Jones, 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:46am

Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Prohibition is such a moronic analogy.

During Prohibition, the purchase of alcohol was illegal.
It isn't illegal to purchase music.

It's just that you used to be able to get away with taking it illegally.

Freetards are throwing a tantrum because people are finally wise to how much they rip people off.

Now go make me a sandwich. I've decided I'm entitled to a free one. Get to it.
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John Paul Jones, 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:54am

Re: 50K angry customers a day
Those aren't customers. They're assholes that have been stealing from us for 10 years. They obviously don't care about us, so...

Fuck em.

There's nothing they can do now that's any worse than what they've already done.

You freetards don't get it. You don't understand what is happening.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 7:55am

How many does it take?
If that many people are breaking the law, then the law needs to change.
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Free Capitalist (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:02am

Burden of Poof....
Hadopi Already Up To Sending Out 25,000 'First Strike' Notices Per Day

Anyone else have a suspicion that french World of Warcraft players and everyone else "sharing" any torrents whatsoever are getting these notices? I'm curious to see how this plays out in the next six months.

At least when they had the burden of proof to make a civil case, the industry reps had to try to correlate a particular seeded torrent with a copyrighted work.

With no burden of proof whatsoever, what is the incentive to verify anything?
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techflaws.org (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:04am

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Wikileaks is still on. Get to it, already!
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Mike42 (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:06am

Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Sarkozy doesn't care about pissing people off. The entire country's shut down right now with people striking and rioting about a law which will increase the retirement age. Rather than back down, he's pushing the bill through faster!

From what I've heard on NPR, the French see him as another rich jerk. I don't know how he was elected, but then, I don't know how Dub-Yah was elected, and I have no clue how Dub-Yah was re-elected.
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techflaws.org (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:07am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
What you don't understand is that your childish rants here (while somewhat entertaining) are futile. "They" will do it the next 10 years and more, no matter how you feel about it and what laws get passed.
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The Mighty Buzzard (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:12am

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Prohibition was a dead on example actually making a large portion of the nation outlaws not an analogy.

Also, I don't throw tantrums about what the publishing companies are doing. I mock them. It's more in line with my own particular idiom.

Further, I don't download music. I also don't buy it. On the rare occasion that I actually want to listen to it, I find a streaming site online, do so, and close the browser tab when I'm done. I just enjoy mocking fools; it's great fun.

make: *** No rule to make target `sandwich'. Stop.
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fogbugzd (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:13am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
You still didn't answer the basic question. How is Hadopi going to increase music and movie sales?

Perhaps you just want revenge on the people you think destroyed your business. There are two problems with this line of thought. First, the free downloaders are not the ones who destroyed your business. You can look within your own corporate suites to find the guilty parties. Second, revenge is very expensive. Few businesses can afford revenge because it means taking a huge hit in longterm viability. The big labels are already in trouble and can't afford too many more big hits. In this case the music industry is essentially admitting defeat and announcing plans to go out of business entirely. The only question is whether they will manage to take the movie industry down with them.
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Christopher Gizzi (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:14am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
Freetards? What are we? Third Graders? It would be nice if you came to the discussion with civility.

But beyond your childish name calling, they are customers... they are lost customers. They are people you failed to convince your content is worth paying for. Offer value and, more often than not, they'll buy. You have to earn your paying customers with respect good value for their hard earned dollar.

You're competing against a diverse amount of global content; the competition for a persons time and money is fierce and you can't waste your efforts pissing people off. You won't convince anyone to buy your wares that way.

You certainly deserve to earn a living; no one says you shouldn't. But with your name calling, its going to be hard for you to earn a living.
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Emilio, 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:16am

I have nothing against Musicians/Producers/Engineers getting paid for their work. I do have a problem with obsolete distribution monopolies claiming exclusive rights to all that money, then giving as little of it as possible to the people who actually make music, and turning us all into criminals by default with their greedy, under-handed attempts to co-opt the rule of law to their advantage. Makes me cringe to think how they're ruining the rest of the world's opinion of a country I used to be proud of...
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Free Capitalist (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:21am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
You've got a little mayonnaise on your chin... oh... that's.... not mayonnaise.
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Rikuo (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:25am

Re: Simple math.
"Sarkosy will pass a law forcing people to buy one CD each month?"

Actually...go back through the Techdirt articles a bit and you'll find one where Sarkozy is using taxpayer money to subsidize music download cards. Basically, the taxpayer pays half the cost, and the end purchaser pays the other half.
Does the fact that Sarkozy's wife is a famous singer matter at all? No, clearly it doesn't...
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Jay (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:35am

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Ok...

So we've movied from TAM, to Awesome Joe, to John Paul Jones...

Great strategy of trolling people.
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Karl (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:35am

Re:
Since the law in France was passed filesharing grew 3% already

Do you have a source for this? I'm not being snarky, I'd actually like to see the data.

I'd also like to see the sales records for recorded music. Have these laws resulted in any increase in French people buying music? I suspect the answer is no.

(Not that the law is justified either way, of course.)
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Jay (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:36am

Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Won't be surprised if we see a guillotine come out very shortly for him...
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The eejit (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:42am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
So, with NO DUE PROCESS, and people being kickewd off after THREE ACCUSATIONS (not convictions), people can be kicked off their internet, and still be expected to pay for it?

And they're the assholes?

Your priorities are beyond fucked up.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 8:58am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
Man, you're making me miss TAM.

At least TAM always found some tenuous (sometimes hilarious) point of criticism. Sometimes I would think "Damn, this is some solid point. How will TAM attack this one?", and TAM always came through.

You, on the other hand, just come here and insult everyone. You are no fun. Please go away.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:01am

Ok, the french are already seriously pissed off that they raised the minimum retirement age by like 2 years. They have a civil war brewing. If they keep pushing people like this, there's going to be a revolution. And last time that happened, heads rolled. Literally.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:15am

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
I made you a digital sandwich. For free! Where should I email it to?
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:16am

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
"It's just that you used to be able to get away with taking it illegally."

A-ha ha ha ha ha-Ooh he he he-aha oh he ha...
I actually almost did a spit take reading that.

Used to be able to? Used to?

BitTorrent. Misnamed rapidshares, sharebees, megauploads. Invite only share sites. Open wifi. Good encryption. Darknets.

And hell, if those fail, we'll go back to Sneakernets.
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Karl (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:23am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
Those aren't customers.

I know I said I wouldn't respond to you, but this is one of the "big myths" that people like to repeat all the time: that people who download illegally won't pay for music, and "just want stuff for free."

The fact is, every legitimate study ever made proves this is wrong. People who illegally share files actually buy much more music, legally, than people who do not. For instance:

A study released this week by Jupiter Research reports that about 34 percent of veteran file swappers say they are spending more on music than they did before they started downloading files.
- Study: File sharing boosts music sales

Digital music research firm The Leading Question found that they spent four and a half times more on paid-for music downloads than average fans.
- Downloading 'myths' challenged

A newly study commissioned by Industry Canada, which includes some of the most extensive surveying to date of the Canadian population on music purchasing habits, finds what many have long suspected (though CRIA has denied) - there is a positive correlation between peer-to-peer downloading and CD purchasing.
- Gov't Commissioned Study Finds P2P Downloaders Buy More Music

Researchers monitored the music download habits of 1,900 web users age 15 and above. Over time, the study found that users who downloaded music illegally from P2P file-sharing sites like BitTorrent ultimately made ten times as many legit music purchases than the law abiding users.
- Study finds file-sharers buy ten times more music

Now, obviously, studies like this cannot prove that illegal file sharing causes legit purchases (correllation is not causation), though it does suggest the possibility. What it does prove is that the core base of music fans, and the core base of music "pirates," are exactly the same people.

So, yes: When you attack pirates, you attack your biggest customers.

Perhaps this could be the next "debunking" post on Techdirt?
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:23am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
You no nothing about how culture actually works.
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:25am

Re: Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
And, before the Internet, we used to swap diskettes and tapes.

If people want to share, they'll find a way. No legislation will stop that.
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Free Capitalist (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:25am

Re: Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
And hell, if those fail, we'll go back to Sneakernets.

Home taping could still kill the music industry if we all try hard enough.
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Free Capitalist (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:32am

Re: Re:
Since the law in France was passed filesharing grew 3% already

Do you have a source for this? I'm not being snarky, I'd actually like to see the data.

Mike did a little writeup on just that a few months ago.
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ComputerAddict (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:34am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
"They obviously don't care about us, so..."

Could you define the "us" part? Are you Content Creator or a Collection agency, or other?
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The Infamous Joe (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:35am

Re: Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
While you make several points I agree wholeheartedly with, I do not agree that "You certainly deserve to earn a living". You deserve *the chance* to earn a living, but no one deserves it. If you can't get people to give you money in return for your product, then thems the breaks.
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Karl (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:45am

Re: Re: Re:
Mike did a little writeup on just that a few months ago.

Thanks! I don't know how I missed that.

If you read the original article, it also makes an interesting observation:

Another remarkable statistic uncovered by the researchers is that half of all P2P users who download copyrighted content also buy digital content online. This means that if these users were disconnected from the Internet under the new law, the music industry would lose customers and thus revenue.

Emphasis mine.

Kicking "pirates" off the 'net won't just stop them from being pirates. It will eliminate any means by which they can become paying customers. Considering that "pirates" are bigger customers than non-"pirates," this means you'll lose almost all of your online business, and probably a significant part of your "brick and mortar" business as well.

That's why I'm waiting to see what effect this will have on legitimate music sales. I'm expecting those sales to drop... dramatically.
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RD, 25 Oct 2010 @ 10:01am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
"Fuck em.

There's nothing they can do now that's any worse than what they've already done.

You freetards don't get it. You don't understand what is happening."

I do. I accuse you of copyright infringement of my songs. I will be filing a complaint with your ISP, followed by 2 more complaints, and then your internet service will be disconnected. I will continue this process every time I can find any ISP you have service with. I will ensure that you either never have internet service again, or have to constantly change ISP's and re-establish new accounts, over and over.

Still seem like a good idea to you? As no proof is needed, and the sole determining factor is the rights holders' belief in the infringement of whomever they are accusing, this should be A-OK with you, as you fully support the side of the rights holders to operate this way. See you soon.
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cjstg (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 10:10am

Re:
at that rate the isp's will have nobody to charge because everyone will be kicked off the internet in say 5 years. somehow i think a new set of lobbyists is about to be engaged. i'm in the wrong business.
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TtfnJohn (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 10:28am

Re: Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
He wants us to think he once played bass for Led Zeppelin.
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TtfnJohn (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 10:32am

Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
They're assholes that have been stealing from us for 10 years

I was kidding above when I said you wanted us to believe that you played bass for Zep.

Now I'm starting to think you believe it yourself.

Oh, and I'm soooooo insulted by your grade school insults.

Now report to the office, you have an appointment with the Vice Principal and his handy strap.
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TtfnJohn (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 10:36am

Re: Burden of Poof....
Not a thing though it wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that the RIAA, MPAA and thier fellow travellers are planting a few of those seeds.

It isn't that by their past recent history says they're above things like that. Of course not!
(cynicism off)

(maybe)
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 11:47am

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Okay, I'll go make you a sandwich in my replicator which produces a new sandwich from an existing one at 0 cost.
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btr1701 (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 12:23pm

Re: Law
> Not even law enforcement apparently respect the
> law in the U.S..

When the law is being used to gain petty vindictive revenge, then actions like those taken by the air marshals are appropriate.

No one disputes what happened on that flight and Brazil was clearly violating provisions of its treaty with the U.S. in charging the marshals. So if Brazil isn't willing to abide by its own laws, why should the marshals have stood idly by and be railroaded by a notoriously corrupt justice system?

This problem could easily be solved by issuing all air marshals on international flights diplomatic passports and protecting them with diplomatic immunity.
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DH's Love Child (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 12:35pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
He wants us to think he once played bass for Led Zeppelin.

I think it's more like Lead Balloon. Which, ironically enough, is about how well his logic flies.
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nasch (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 1:09pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Lead balloons are hard to make but they fly!
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Anonymous Coward, 25 Oct 2010 @ 1:19pm

How long will it be before the strike outs start an alternative Internet?
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Will, 25 Oct 2010 @ 1:42pm

When a notice is not a notice
Mike,

The story may have got lost in translation. Notice, in the French Hadopi context, is when a file has been detected on the network. "Notice" in the English speaking countries of UK and USA is a notification to the ISP customer. You cant easily track and detect 25,000 files a day, but then you make a decision as to how many infringers should be notified. Notifying customers costs money, the marginal cost of detection is closer to zero given the infrastructure.

Can't promise this is 100% accurate but pretty sure I've got it right - hope this helps you and your readers.
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Ben, 25 Oct 2010 @ 1:47pm

Should we question the numbers?
Some more analysis would be welcome here. If the numbers are correct, they have created a monster. The problem is that they sound hyped up, for propaganda purposes (you can run but you can't hide...).

Twenty-five THOUSAND per day? That adds up quickly. 175,000 in a week. 700,000 in a month. France's internet users won't last long... But of course, these are not unique users; how many people will then manage to rack up three notices in a month or two?

And I may have missed something, but where, exactly, does the entertainment industry get these IP addresses? I assume they monitor bittorrent traffic -- but how much of it? How effective are the infringement trackers in rooting out infringers of their content (or their clients' content)?

With so many receivers of infringement notices, there should soon be a wave of disconnections -- perhaps Hadopi will brag about that too. I doubt those that are disconnected will remain silent -- we should find out then whether this number has any basis in reality. My feeling is that it is incredibly inflated.
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Jaws4theRevenge (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 1:48pm

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
It's amusing that the name you've chosen to troll under is that of a bassist from a band that is well known to have taken inspiration from many sources for free to create their very popular music. Douche on, TAM.
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The Devil's Coachman (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 3:54pm

How about if I make you a nice knuckle sandwich, beeyotch?
You are, above all else, an idiot and a troll, and as such, you should be pimp-slapped into a crying heap of snot and blood on the ground. I mean that in a nice way.
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The Devil's Coachman (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 3:57pm

Re: Re: Re: France, the country full of outlaws?
Get the tumbrels ready. He does seem to be quite the arrogant cheese-eating surrender monkey, doesn't he?
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ldtowers, 25 Oct 2010 @ 4:07pm

Re: Reasonable mode of cost recovery
"depriving artists of reasonable compensation for the fruits of their labors."

Record companies have been doing this for years. I say yeah, let's give the artists directly what they get from the record companies. Cents per album! Screw the music industry
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kryptonianjorel (profile), 25 Oct 2010 @ 9:08pm

Re:
at least itll take 10 years at that rate to kick everyone in France off the internet
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Hephaestus (profile), 26 Oct 2010 @ 6:43am

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"Since the law in France was passed filesharing grew 3% already and it is showing no signs of slowing."

4.5% - 5.5% actually ...
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Hephaestus (profile), 26 Oct 2010 @ 6:48am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
"That's why I'm waiting to see what effect this will have on legitimate music sales. I'm expecting those sales to drop... dramatically."

Shhhh!!! be quite stop talking about this the record labels might hear you! ... Oh wait, when have they ever done the smart thing, or not done the self defeating thing ... never mind continue
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Hephaestus (profile), 26 Oct 2010 @ 7:50am

Re: Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
"You can look within your own corporate suites to find the guilty parties."

That is a very astute point.

"The only question is whether they will manage to take the movie industry down with them."

Its a given that there will be backlash against all content companies based on Hadopi and three strikes. If you look at the US and how pissed the population is towards the politicians, the same thing will occur but it will be directed at big content. You will also have better and more encrypted communication occur.

A great line ... "alienating your customers is a business model that only works until you go out of business".
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Hephaestus (profile), 26 Oct 2010 @ 8:39am

Re: Re: Re: 50K angry customers a day
Karl

This is like a religious conviction for them. They have someone to blame for their downfall and nothing you do or say is going to change their beliefs. It reminds me of all the times in history where the line "Its not your fault you ar poor, stupid and starving. It the (insert racial, religious, or bad guy of your choosing here) that are causing this". Once it starts it becomes a closed, self reinforcing system that denies any proof to the contrary. A system were denial of proof runs rampant, were discent is shouted down, were people who do discent are excluded from the group, and rationalizing of actions occurs on a daily basis.

All in in these people are following in the footsteps of any number of cults.

oh and the point ... the proof you provided will be ignored, even if read it will be forgotten with in a couple days.

David
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