Senator Lieberman Says NY Times Should Be Investigated For Publishing Wikileaks Documents
from the is-that-joe-mccarthy-or-joe-lieberman dept
Senator Joe Lieberman continues to expand his desire to piss all over the First Amendment and the very concept of a free press. He's already been pressuring companies to stop working with Wikileaks and has already introduced an anti-Wikileaks bill that appears to be pure censorship, but he's now extending his lack of understanding of the First Amendment to the press: stating that the NY Times should be investigated for criminal activity in publishing the Wikileaks documents.Beyond the blatantly troubling statement that appears to go against the very principles of a free press (which we thought Lieberman was supposed to be upholding), it would appear that the bill Lieberman himself introduced shows that he already knows the NY Times did not, in fact, violate any laws in publishing that info. That's because the bill would seek to add liability for such actions, and we all know that you can't violate a law before it's actually been turned into a law.
In the meantime, when did Joe Lieberman become the reincarnation of Joe McCarthy? It's amazingly depressing to see a US Senator so blatantly in favor of direct censorship of the press.
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Filed Under: free speech, freedom of the press, joe lieberman, publishing, wikileaks
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Next time check first, and tell us what you find.
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1st, grandstanding is his thing. Remember that he was the one that called out Marilyn Manson for being responsible for the Columbine Tragedy.
2nd, Joe is a hardliner for the War on Terror. One thing that folks like that are REALLY not going to want is openess regarding communication between us and our Middle East interests. He once advised a preemptive strike on Yemen because a terrorist was trained there.
In other words, he's a psycho....
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The correct term is actually a sociopath
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http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000616&cycle=2010
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lieberman for corruption?
can or should someone be found guilty of violating it? I'm looking at Lieberman on that - maybe it's time we look into him for corruption and/or slander for implying that the times should be investigated?
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Is it wrong to hope someone in power actually asks this question?
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I wonder if some political opponents are sitting in the wings waiting for the next election and are planning to make him choke on his own words and actions.
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Donate to McCarthy... err.. Lieberman
Wikileaks claims to have info on financial institutions. So he wants to make sure he's on the record to ask for campaign contributions. ..
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This bill is actually a good thing ...
Good day for us, bad day for hot news.
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Joe is no idiot, though. He grandstands on topics that are hard to disagree with. He is not about 'censorship', he is about 'protecting US interests' and against 'cyber-terrorism'. Someone asked if he was going to be asked about being against the first amendment - he may, but his response is likely to ask why the questioner wants to allow terrorists the tools to aid in their attacks.
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If it's all about money...
Even in a corrupt system, this is the wrong move...
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> after the NY Times. They have money
Not really. Not like they used to. They've been laying people off and cutting departments just like every other newspaper.
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Blatantly blatant bleating blamed on blatantly belated blading
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And I'd argue that since most of the noise we hear about the war on terror is that our soldiers are fighting 'for our freedom', it would be pissing on all those dead bodies NOT to argue for the freedoms they're 'fighting and dying for'.
Sorry everyone, I had a coupon for troll food.
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The soldiers a fighting to get molested when they get home. What about the children?
Oh, wait...
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I am going to assume that you are you are referring to soldiers in Iraq with your last sentence. Would you mind explaining to me how exactly Iraq is/was a threat to the constitution?
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I'm torn
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> jeopardy that's bad
If only Wikileaks was around during Bush's run-up to Iraq. I'm sure a hundred thousand dead Iraqi civilians wish it was.
In anycase, I thought the cables might only expose Iraqi informants, not GIs.
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Good God you are just like that fanatic family that keep going to soldiers funeral to say "God hate gays".
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McCarthyism Resurrected
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Obviously this guy isn't getting paid enough.
Maybe Congress critters should recieve 100% of their paycheck from campaign contributions by companies over the course of a year.
$174,000 in salary vs $20M in campaign contributions.... Kinda difficult to make a decision, huh Lieberman.
Think of all the money we could save.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000616&cycle=2008
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-Thomas Jefferson
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That first line is looking quite scary under these headlines, isn't it? Sounds like Jefferson would say that we need to revolt... 'cause damn are we overdue!
Truthfully, when we look at the facts (as we have them) of the Wikileaks fiasco... it sounds like the government wants to keep more people misinformed... it's almost like they WANT us to revolt.
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Dude, the first Atomic bomb was a uranium core surrounded by TNT. Any dope with access to Uranium can make one. The problem is that NO SANE PERSON is going to give you weapons grade Uranium.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bomb
"For that matter, how about we just give everyone all of our military technology while we are at it"
What? Your guns, stealth fighters and cruise missiles? Heck, if I can't get them HERE, I'll gt them over there. You think you are so special or that your "military technology" is so advanced or secret? Most of your technology was developed in the 70s and hasn't suffered a major upgrade since. Also, this isn't Civilizations kid. You can't have more "tech" that the guy next door.
"Freedom of press was created to make sure the gov is feeding us a bunch of bull, but that doesn't mean it extends to the gov not having secrets."
And why does a government need to have secrets? What is so important that the government must hide from the common man? The only reason I see is if it is something EXCEPTIONALLY critical, not some day-to-day diplomacy crap.
The only reason I see for a government to hide stuff and lie is if they are doing something terribly wrong, which, apparently, they were.
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Pay attention kid: your "new" technology is just an improvement on the old, with better guiding systems, bigger payloads or better performance.
Give me one example of something truly new your military have invented in the past decade.
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US: "Oh, we've invented this new shiny rifle that shoots missiles. It's pretty high-tech".
Someone else: "Dang...I've never though on that...gimme 10 minutes".
10 Minutes later:
Someone else: "Here, I've made one that shoots bullets, missiles, grenades, kittens and peas. What to look at it?"
Homer: "Doh"
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" Would you like it if they posted all the detailed plans on how to make a nuclear bomb all around the world?"
There's ways to make "dirty bombs" that are home engineered. But the hazards of the radiation going through your body make it a really, REALLY bad idea.
Remember what happened to Marie Curie as a result of her experiments.
"For that matter, how about we just give everyone all of our military technology while we are at it?"
HAHAHAH! Do you realize the surplus of AK-47s all over the world (except the US) is because of the fall of communism? Are you really going to try to blame the fact that someone can get a gun from me or Joe Schmo of the Czech Repub. because I don't want to give up my "military secrets?" Quite frankly, if it's used against someone else, it's no longer a secret. While the US blows up downed drones among other things, I'm sure that a few have been reverse engineered to have Iran, Iraq or other places capable of building them, if they had the resources to do so.
But there is more to it than JUST giving someone knowledge of a technology.
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Where is the first amendment at here?
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Quote the constitution, you rube.
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http://blog.marsgroupkenya.org/?p=870
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So if it's classified, does that mean that someone just had to open their yapper?
It's just interesting to see that a lot of decisions made at the political level are based on a sort of cargo cult science without much regard for scientific inquiry. It shows a gaping hole of academic research made and disregard for downstream implications. Perhaps there needs to be a requirement from the Congressional Research Service, who would study implications of moronic bills, and a requirement of a bill prior to voting, similar to a Congressional Budget Office request.
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also:
"But the way to make a government responsible is not simply to enlist the services of responsible men and women, or to sign laws that ensure that they never stray. The way to make government responsible is to hold it accountable. And the way to make government accountable is make it transparent so that the American people can know exactly what decisions are being made, how they're being made, and whether their interests are being well served."
-Pres. Obama
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-welcoming-senior-staff-and-cab inet-secretaries-white-house
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So, to you, there is no difference between whistle-blowing and spying? We should just trust our government to do what is right, with no public oversight? With no real incentive to do the right thing? They're just doing what's right for all of us because they're the government and that's what they do? Or is it possible that our government is actually made up of individual persons who can make mistakes, bad decisions, or even selfish decisions?
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Second if a reporter is able to get his hands on a list of all our spies I would assume that others also have that at which time the reporting of them becomes moot. I would hope the reporter would contact the necessary agency to alert them of the security breach.
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Maybe I should be investigated...
Actually, you know what? Maybe we should all just turn ourselves in...
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Just left amazon, going to work on aborting Visa/MC
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Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution.
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"Senator Lieberman Says NY Times Should Be Investigated For Publishing Wikileaks Documents"
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Joe Lieberman the face of irresponsible governments everywhere.
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1) Big Pharma;
2) Big Finance; and
3) Big Music
Colour me unsurprised.
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