Screaming Justin Bieber Fans Using Camera Phones To Capture Snippets Of Movie Premiere Berated For Piracy
from the cultural-divide dept
We've pointed out many times that the laws, especially around things like copyright, simply don't match up with the basic cultural norms of what it means to be a kid today. Remember, for example, the woman who was arrested and spent two nights in jail because she used a camera to capture a few very short segments of the movie Twilight, because she was trying to capture her sister's birthday party (with the movie showing being a part of the event). Now, TorrentFreak points us to an unintentionally hilarious article written by a woman who appears to make her living as a Marilyn Monroe/Anna Nicole Smith impersonator, complaining about how a bunch of Justin Bieber fans were thieves because they dared to film snippets of his new movie (wait, Justin Bieber has a movie?!?) at a special VIP Premiere ($30 a ticket!) with their camera phones.Bieber fans watched the film and screamed with glee at the sight of him on the big screen, but many were also committing a crime. The crime was committed when they began taping the film for their own use. Since most of the audience consisted of teenage girls with their parents, I am left to wonder what parent lets their child commit a crime? Even scarier ,what kind of parent lets them do it in public?Just what they "stole" from Bieber is not made clear, of course. Of course, there seems to be a bit of a cultural divide here. The Bieber fans aren't stealing anything. What they're doing is sharing with their friends. They're not sharing the movie, of course. I'm sure the screaming crew of Bieber fans are all begging their parents to take them to the theater (probably multiple times). What they're sharing is the experience of going to see the film. Filming a snippet and sending it to friends is a way of letting their friends know "hey, look, I got to go to the Premiere!" or something along those lines.
Also I wonder how can Justin's fans call themselves true fans by stealing from the star?
Of course, thanks to rampant lobbying by the MPAA, such filming is a crime. But this sort of situation just serves to underline why it's stupid to consider just any filming of a movie to be a criminal act. The screaming teen girls at the Bieber movie were not "pirating" the movie in any sense. They were trying to share a cultural experience. It seems pretty bizarre that doing so actually does put them at risk of being sent to jail for a few years.
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Defense
Is Beiber Fever an adequate defense in IP law?
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Is Beiber Fever an adequate defense in IP law?
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Opposite Directions
I wonder what the parents would say if the cops told them their kids were held at the station for copyright infringement.
I�m willing to bet both sets would look at them like they had two heads. Neither the kids or parents would think it a crime to send a movie clip of a life experience to their friends in that way.
And I dare anyone to jail a child for filming a Bieber clip.
But the real thing to take away is this: the law isn�t just taking a long time to catch up to social norms, the law and the social norms are heading in exactly the opposite direction.
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It was more of a crime
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But they've now seen the Bieb...
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FACT: I saw a 30 second preview of nearly every movie I've seen and figured out the plot. It made me want to see the movie in the first place.
ALSO FACT: I've read review articles in the paper and online and watched them on the evening news and ALSO understood the plot. Sometimes, I saw the movie.
Seeing a 30 second clip isn't going to stop paying customers from paying. They either want to see the movie or don't. But I bet you'd get more people seeing the movie than people deciding against seeing the movie after watching a 30 second clip.
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http://dea.brunel.ac.uk/project/murale/photogrammet ry.htm
And for footbal fans the holy grail [PDF] A Video-Based 3D-Reconstruction of Soccer Games
If you get many, many video sources you can reconstruct the images and enhance them and probably end up with a good version of that movie theoretically.
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New 3D Reconstruction Algorithm from UC San Diego
In the other post that is held for moderation there is another link for how to reconstruct a 3D version of a football game from video.
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The real crime here...
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MPAA will make a bundle on this...
MPAA, if you're listening, NOW is the time to whip out that new legislation you've been quietly lobbying. You know the one: Piracy = Capital Offense.
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Cameras that take a picture every few seconds and are weared around the neck.
Off with their heads!
LoL
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Yet another straw man alert
Are you seriously stating that these children will be held liable for copyright infringement? Nothing is going to happen to these kids just because some blogger wrote an article that you don't agree with.
Is everyone who snaps a picture of a live NFL game technically breaking the law? Yes. Has anyone been seriously been taken to task for this "offense". I'm not counting paltry DMCA takedown notices.
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Er no actually - not a real law anyway.
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Wonderful, now the industry is trying to ban individuals from creating content as well. Isn't that swell.
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Yet another straw man alert
Are you seriously stating that these children will be held liable for copyright infringement? Nothing is going to happen to these kids just because some blogger wrote an article that you don't agree with.
Is everyone who snaps a picture of a live NFL game technically breaking the law? Yes. Has anyone been seriously been taken to task for this "offense". I'm not counting paltry DMCA takedown notices.
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People have for less, read the article.
"Is everyone who snaps a picture of a live NFL game technically breaking the law?"
No, they're not.
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You are so dislocated from reality that it's not even funny anymore.
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can you pass the wetnaps please?
I myself have been victim of this ridiculous copyright law when trying to document my experiences in a perfectly legal albeit a little damp adult themed theater to merely share with others and dare I say, rub it in their face.
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In my personal opinion, there is no way in hell you can experience a movie by watching 30 seconds of it on Youtube. (Not to mention the fact that there are currently no cell phones capable of recording a 3D movie correctly.)
As someone on the inside of the industry, it bothers me deeply that the law has deviated so far away from common sense. I don't expect that this will always be the case.
Also, for all you macho men out there who hate Beiber by default, you will be surprised by how good the movie is. :)
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I know they force you to say that. Blink twice if you need help.
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Like the "Menudo" before him? or the Backstreet Boys?
Not happening.
I have low standards but they are not that low.
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BWAHAHAHAHA that's a good one! Why any man or boy would want to go see a record label created/marketed, no talent like Beiber is beyond me.
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The chisel away that the movie, piece by piece, slowly chipping away it's exclusive nature, and perhaps even making it so they don't have to pay to see it again.
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"Emily's syncing the audio, Bridget's tweaking up the edits, and Ashley's gonna handle the whole 3D thingy!"
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Just search for "3D reconstruction from video", heck there is even a link to a paper demonstrating how to recreate in 3D a football game.
Stack all that footage together and you can reconstruct the video and even enhanced it.
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It will be funny to see authorities saying cellphones are now criminal tools.
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the engish language is lost on you fools....
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Justin Bieber Movie Pirates Deserve At Least 3 Years In Jail
http://torrentfreak.com/justin-bieber-movie-pirates-deserve-at-least-3-years-in-jail-110212/
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Huh?
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Arrest them now!
But they need to go away for a long time for going to see a beiber movie. We cant have this kind of thing going on.
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Too Soon?
I know bad taste, but its been one of those days... sorry.
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Speeding is illegal. Even if you are speeding to see Justin Bieber perform (god knows why, I would be speeding away). You cannot break the law just because some juvenile performer is involved.
In the same manner, you cannot record movies with a camera legally. Even if Bieber is involved. The story is a whole lot of window dressing for a basic problem: It's against the law.
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What happens when everyone on earth have a digital camera recorder in their glasses that they use for augmented reality?
What happen when you have the capability to filter environment factors and plugin your own factors like noise level, light, smells and etc.
The law is becoming anachronistic in that regard and sooner or latter it will be revised to take into account the new technologies, which will lead to some painful decisions for some people.
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Err, I think that was the point. How ridiculous is it that we find ourselves in such a situation?
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It is sad and stupid that we are at this point. But the few who choose to blatantly make a problem has ruined it for everyone else. Go verbally attack the people that caused this mess (and no, it ain't the movie people, and it ain't the theaters... it is idiots with cameras).
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Please explain to the parents of all those little girls that you will send their daughters to prison because they dared to film the big screen in front of them.
I want to see the PR nightmare this will turn into the first time any idiot try to arrest a little girl filming the screen.
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"The recording of reality is illegal because of copyright infringement, and America, and freedom."
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In the same manner, you've still missed the point.. The story is a whole lot of window dressing to highlight the stupidity of the law.
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Let's frame this a different way
I don't know who this Beaver kid is, but I do read a book series with a pretty fanatical following. Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is the one I'm talking about. There are numerous forums and web pages that have snippets of the book and chapter summaries and all sorts of goodies. Now, I'd like to know where the line for legality is.
Scenario 1: I have an eidetic memory. I discuss the book with another fan in person and quote entire sections of it. Other people overhear us and gather while we wax philosophical over the books with me sometimes quoting pages and passages. Illegal?
Scenario 2: I break out my Nook with a legally obtained copy of the book on it with a friend while we're discussing it. We read a few chapters together. Does this count as public performance?
Scenario 3: Same as scenario 1, except this time in an online forum that requires registration to read instead of in public.
Scenario 4: Scan and OCR the book that I own for personal use to shift it to my ebook reader.
Several of these have some elements that correspond to what actually happened here. The information is a snippet of the whole, and it's being discussed. Which one is illegal, and why is the line where it is?
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Gaping Hole in Anti Piracy Laws.
The reason being that Copyrights strength is in the fact that it is �Legally Regarded� as if written in stone whatever material is under copyright. Hence if you only copy a segment of the original Copyright material it is not theft as it is incomplete. Hence not as the original as the original is a completed script hence taking a single element cannot be judged as Copyright Theft.
Likewise if you copy Copyright Text and change the font it is not as the original yet by changing the wording of text slightly puts you well safe of being charged with copyright theft.
Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk
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Mike.. wow really?
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Mike.. wow really?
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I'm not here to defend the movie. I really just came to talk tech politics.
No need to get jealous of The Beib. ;)
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huh?
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You still have not earned back this customer, only gave me more reason not to buy.
GG MPAA.
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How could entertainment possibly live when half of the world's population live in dirty piracy lands like China, India and (God forbid) CANADA?
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I don't have a DVD player, or a VCR. If I did, I would only watch the things I have already paid for.
I don't go to the movies, I don't listen to music except the ones I have paid for already, or that are from the artist directly.
I like my boycott. Gives me more money to do the things I love....like spending time with my kids and my WoW. Instead of lining a greedy bastages pockets.
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BTW every news on a network can be found on video websites.
Proof is that I haven't watched TV for about 5 years now LoL
So much for not boycotting.
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I don't know but it reminds me of this article...
"There is, however, another message about copyright in the National Portrait Gallery: it is implicit in the "No Photography" signs prominently displayed throughout its rooms, including one by the entrance to the Pop Art Portraits exhibition.
These signs are not intended to protect the works from the depredations of camera flashes (otherwise they would read "No Flash Photography"). No, the ban on pictures is meant to safeguard the copyright of the works hung on the walls - a fact that every member of staff I asked instantly confirmed."
Full article - Warhol is turning in his grave
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@62
You need to read a bit before you can get to this level. Cheating is not allowed. Go back to level 1, Mario.
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I read it before and thought it was ironic.
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