Next Generation 'Piracy': Piracy Goes 3D
from the but-does-it-matter? dept
Just as growing segments of the population are expressing that they're sick of too many movies being offered in 3D for no good reason other than to get people to pay more for it, it appears that the "pirate" community is jumping on the 3D bandwagon as well. They're getting better and better at offering unauthorized versions in 3D, either via applying a tool to make a 2D rip appear 3D, or through some new methods to fully rip a 3D Blu-ray. I'm sure we'll hear the usual fretting and complaining from the "content protection" staff at the MPAA, and yet there will be little understanding of or reflection about what this actually means. Hollywood correctly realized a few years ago that one way to "compete" with unauthorized copies was to add more value to the experience. That was a key driver in the 3D experience. The basic thinking was correct -- it's just that once they had a bit of success with it, they simply thought "3D is the answer!" without thinking much more deeply about it. 3D is one way to improve the experience, but simply adding 3D to movies with no thought as to whether or not it really is needed or makes the product better is silly.So rather than complaining about unauthorized 3D versions of movies (and you can just hear the MPAA complaints about how the pirated 3D movies are even "more damaging"), why isn't Hollywood focused on actually thinking beyond just 3D towards actually making the overall experience better in ways that can't be pirated? I guess that's just too much "work," and it's a lot easier to hire another crop of lawyers who want to sue everyone, rather than take the time to successfully expand a business by offering more value.
Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.
While other websites have resorted to paywalls, registration requirements, and increasingly annoying/intrusive advertising, we have always kept Techdirt open and available to anyone. But in order to continue doing so, we need your support. We offer a variety of ways for our readers to support us, from direct donations to special subscriptions and cool merchandise — and every little bit helps. Thank you.
–The Techdirt Team
Reader Comments
Subscribe: RSS
View by: Time | Thread
Really, Mike? How dare you deny the chance to make a living for people with specific proficiency who are working completely legally within the framework of the law. Please do not mock these people. They have to feed their families and need to save up for their new yachts.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I'm disappointed.
:P
Joking aside, this is one aspect of 3D I hoped wouldn't happen, but given the blatant increase in price of 3D content by those who "own" it, it's not difficult to see why piracy would get involved, halve the cost, and still rake in money.
I am well aware creating 3D works is more expensive, but as Cameron proved, just by throwing in 3D isn't sufficient to get people into the theaters (which the non-3D version surpassed financially).
It is about the experience, but I will say much of this is also on the burden of cinema owners. I won't be paying $10 a person just so I can listen to babies screaming and inconsiderate asses talking on their cells during the movie.
Then, there's that sticky floor. Good grief, just what is that stuff that can take off shoes?
At any rate, perhaps this will mean Hollywood will now "give up" on throwing "3D" on everything just because a few titles sold well.
Let's hope this propagates itself to electronics manufacturers now hell bent in charging $1000 for a "3D" television... which requires glasses to watch.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Ugh. The only 3D I want is me physically giving the finger to 3D...
As to the making of 3D films costing more... Well, maybe. I'm not convinced. Sure, it would in theory double the number of cameras for "live-action", but the animations and CGI shouldn't cost any more than it already does. Most animators working on stuff like Despicable Me are likely already working in wireframe stuff anyway - that's how they get realistic shadowing and stuff.
What has changed in the world of 3D is the glasses and projection equipment. Shockingly, the theaters have to buy these things. They likely get the same cut of a 3D movie as they do with a regular movie, except that their costs are much higher. So we pay more (like, double). For the same nasty theater, with a bit more eye-candy that sure isn't worth the 100% increase in cost.
I'm sorry - when going to the movies is damn near the same price as taking the family to a major league sports event... And all you leave with is a stomach ache and the stench of barf on your shoes... Well... It's time to rethink movies and their prices.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Ugh. The only 3D I want is me physically giving the finger to 3D...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Ugh. The only 3D I want is me physically giving the finger to 3D...
have you observed a statistically significant increase in kid barf along with the proliferation of 3d?
correlation doesn't imply causality, but you might be on to something.
when going to the movies is damn near the same price as taking the family to a major league sports event... And all you leave with is a stomach ache and the stench of barf on your shoes... Well... It's time to rethink movies and their prices.
uh, live sporting events are also in 3d. i think your anti-movie bias is showing :-)
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Tired of 3D already
I purposely went out of my way to go see Gnomeo & Juliet in non-3D, and I was thrilled I did, I enjoyed it more than the 3D films I've watched recently.
Afterwards I thought about it and I came up with these reasons:
1) I didn't have to fumble with the 3D glasses over my real glasses. (hassle before the movie/during)
2) My enjoyment of the storytelling wasn't broken by the fact that I had to "think" about the 3D to see it.
So... Basically 3D has come to be a Rtn(not)B for me
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Tired of 3D already
They showed us their 3D systems (which apparently assist the analysis of aerial photography and geological data0.
We were one short of 3D glasses. For a while the person without the glasses was feeling left out. Then the situation slowly changed - "you have them" - "no thanks you keep them" became the refrain. Eventually everyone had taken them off.
The fact is that 3d (like most immersive technologies) is marginally unpleasant to use. Once the novelty has worn off you need a very good reason to keep using it. I doubt if the film industry can think of enough "good reasons" to sustain the tren for very long. 3D has been and gone at least twice before. It will happen again sometime - but it will never last for long. The interval seems to equate roughly to the time it takes for a generation who have not seen it before to reach 30.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Tired of 3D already
Despite this, there were still people who complained of headaches and an inability to see the images correctly. It's a nascent technology, and personally I can't see it catching on in its current incarnation. People's minds and perceptions are just too different for a cookie-cutter solution. Call me when we get the full VR setups that I was promised in the 90's.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
The future...
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: The future...
I'm wondering when a digital format will show up that will displace DVD's, Bluray so far has been slow, 3D is still a joke, if they keep up the movie industry will end up just like the music industry, without a physical format that people buy.
I don't have Bluray and don't care about it, what I do care is my computer being able to play anything and that means I love ISO files.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: The future...
Physical media, for better or worse, is already on the decline.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: The future...
I just don't think many will be switching on the capabilities, it makes a lot of people dizzy(myself included) I get motion sickness from it and it gets so bad I have to lie down and close my eyes.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I don't understand what they want, they keep putting this ridiculous prices that only the top 20% can afford and complain the other 80% pirate things, but without the bottom 80% driving the demand they wouldn't sell anything, oh well I guess they are screwed either way.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Sorry, just trying to highlight where the filesharing of 3D movies may be a "win" to us as humans.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
That actually sounds like a good plan.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
1) Make better movies. Cause really most of this is crap.
2) Make better movie theaters. You cannot pirate an experience.
Both of these are far too difficult to do so whatever.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Doom 3 Quote:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
spy vs spy
How is a Hollywood studio supposed to "actually making the overall experience better in ways that can't be pirated" for a medium like DVD or BluRay? What can they possible deliver with the DVD that a pirate can't?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: spy vs spy
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: spy vs spy
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: spy vs spy
Otherwise, you won't be able to sell the disks. Well, sure, you'll sell a handful of them at like $70. The rest of the people will either pirate it, stream it (from netflix) or watch it in the theater.
The plastic disk business is almost dead. Time to adapt, or die.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: spy vs spy
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: spy vs spy
They dumped production and the workforce, dump the product already, if you can't seel plastic discs, sell boxes and t-shirts, that is right people keep laughing but physical merchandise will be there long after the plastic disc failed.
Also Warner is renting movies on Facebook apparently.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: spy vs spy
They're not even to that point yet. What they're offering isn't even as good as the pirate product, let alone better. If they make it as good (little or no DRM, no unskippable content, no release windows, no region encoding) for a reasonable price, they could gain a LOT of customers back. Just like Netflix has done.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Why would you assume they aren't?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Yogi bear.
Star Wars Episode 1 in 3D.
Remake of some movie from the 80's 3: The remastering!
Ok, that last one I made up, but you get the picture. Also, I don't watch many movies, but almost every time something hit the big screen in the last few years, it was a weak copy of something that had happened decades before, that was way better at the time, and has become mostly irrelevant on this day and age.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
The Social Network
The Kings Speech.
The Ghost Writer
Some high quality original movie from right now.
Just because Hollywood is engaging in one practice does not mean it is not engaging in another. Regardless, the question here isn't the type of movie being produced, or the quality of the movie. Its the assumption that no one on Hollywood is attempting to conceive of new methods of improving the overall experience "in ways that can't be pirated". I see no evidence that Hollywood is NOT trying to conceive of said new methods. Particularly considering that modern 3D was such an experiment itself.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Because they're not. No assumption needed.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Just because you think something is fact, does not make it so. And simply saying " it's true because I know it is", doesn't actually prove anything.
Please explain: How do you know, beyond any reasonable doubt, that your claim that Hollywood is not seeking to improve the experience in ways that cannot be pirated is true?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Don't be blamin' me
I have only one mistress, the sea! Spending my dubloons to set in some box wearing spectacles like a dandy, whilst some scurvy dog talks to his wench on his iPhone is not my idee of a grand experience.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Perhaps you can sell them some t-shirts.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
Ka-ching!
Of course, your idea is good too...everybody needs shirts right? Am I right!?
That guy over there thinks I am right.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re:
Sorry, but the logic just doesn't stand up.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re:
I'm sorry, but content producers cannot expect that things stay the same forever. What if copyright infringement suddenly stops being illegal? Then what?
Why not leap over your opponents today, by becoming a massive producer of 3D related hardware AND being the guy that makes the movies that run smooth a as vodka on that hardware? Why not also become the guy that makes the newest and coolest technology and the software that runs on it? Adopt the open-source model: give the movies and software for free; Charge for the hardware and services.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I didnt want to pay 60.00
I hate there DRM,
It could of been free in a few days
Its simple, it was a impulse buy that i could do at the moment, because it was available.
How about you stop playing these stupid little control games and just provide convenience, see what that does for your sales.
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
where can we buy the discs then?
just exactly where can you buy 3D blu rays at the moment?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
How is 3D "adding" value?
[ link to this | view in chronology ]
I care but actually I dont
Until Hollywood stops producing over-priced and under-written, under-directed, and just plain shitty entertainment I won't lose sleep over stealing from them JUST to make sure I'm not being sold a turd wrapped in a pretty case
[ link to this | view in chronology ]