US Decides That If There's No Real Cyberwar, It Might Just Escalate Hack Attacks Into A Real War
from the frightening dept
We've discussed quite a few times how consultants, lobbyists, contractors and government agencies who stand to benefit have been overhyping the threats associated with digital infrastructure by calling it a "cyberwar." The reality is that it's much more about espionage, vandalism and creating significant nuisances, rather than something on the level of a "war." Yet, with the White House's latest "cyberspace" strategy report, it warns that if certain attacks via the internet are seen as hostile, we might just bomb you in response:“Certain hostile acts conducted through cyberspace could compel actions under the commitments we have with our military treaty partners,” says the document. “When warranted, the United States will respond to hostile acts in cyberspace as we would any other threat to our country.”In other words, there might not have been a war when this all started, but by the end of it, the US government will make damn sure that there's a war going on in the traditional sense. Comforting.
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By overreacting with a series of badly-written laws coupled with a complete lack of oversight, all aimed at our own citizens?
USA! USA! USA!
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Hey Mike, we need to protect Obamas porn collection. Geez.
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War is what the government defines as war....
War can be declared against anything that opposes the government and their owners (corporations) persuit of ultimate power and control.
Thus the 'War on Drugs' even though the drugs aren't fighting back, and are actually a large source of 'black ops' funding, which is the real reason for the war.... screw the people, the CIA is tired of competing with those 'illegal pirates' who are importing drugs and not giving the government their cut...
War on Intellectual Property is about the same thing, but it's a little silly to call it that, so we'll just call it a 'Cyberwar' since that sound better....
I'm not really serious... am i?
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First...the US has military treaties with other nations that say, in the event of say, a hacking attempt from North Korea against South Korea, then the US is obligated to drop a few dozen nukes? Okay, obvious over-exaggeration, but what MILITARY treaty would even mention cyberspace?
Second...once the US says this is a threat, then they will spend years, trillions of dollars and thousands of lives destroying it? Obvious Iraq reference.
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FIFY. This has been the cornerstone of all purported "first world" countries since World War Two.
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Is the reverse ok too?
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The United States might want to be VERY leery of this, because some countries might say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Step 2. Provoke the US from that country.
Step 3. The US invades.
Presto! The US army has voluntarily placed itself under the control of hackers.
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How easy is it for that country to get a genuine, signed "update" into the systems of an enemy?
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Ummm...obvious
If someone managed to damage our infrastructure via cyber attack, AND we know who it was, then I don't see why we might not choose to damage their infrastructure via explosive means.
I don't think there's much new here, other than someone saying it out loud.
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No, we have a system in place to arrest them, put them on trail, etc...
Same here. Cyber attacks do not warrant blowing things up, heck, bank robberies justify blowing things up more than cyber attacks since bank robberies tend to be violent in nature. You don't use destructive violence against non-violent crimes (unless those criminals respond to your non-violent attempts to suppress their criminal activity with violence, but then the retaliatory violence is targeted at their violent response, not their non-violent crimes).
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It would be completely acceptable to attack the country behind the attack with bombs. Maybe we decide to take out their power, clean water, and communication networks for starters.
As for this whole thing being new news I somehow doubt it. This has always been our policy if its a large attack on our nation we would for sure defend ourselves with what ever means deemed necessary.
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Then its OK to bomb Atlantic City? (not that it would be a bad thing really)
What ever happened to "fight fire, with fire"?
Or better yet "Fight Fire, with Water"?
Since when did it all become fight everything by bombing?
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2) Cyberattack the PEntagon
3) ???
4) PROFIT!!!
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I'm sure there are companies lining up to sell their CYBERWAR WEAPONRY to the govt. too. Look how many billions those scanner guys got!
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The USA did it to another country, one full of rag heads and sand niggers I might add, thus they deserved it.
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Another one for the books.
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Desparate
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It's the Economy
Techdirt is usually pretty good about admitting potential legitimate concerns. I hope that continues. I am not interested in subscribing to it if it is to become just another online clearing house for anti-government sentiments.
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"hostile acts"?
~Europe
Did that just start World War Three?
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