Reading 'Go The F**k To Sleep' May Lead To Child Abuse And Racism*
from the *of-course-it-won't-but-don't-let-that-stop-you dept
We've detailed the viral sensation that is Adam Mansbach's Go the F**k to Sleep, including its pirate-ship ride into the national consciousness and its eventual explosion as an actual printed book (with attendant movie deal). And everyone who has a kid, or has had a kid, can see the humor behind the good-natured f-bombs and recognizes the frustration inherent in getting a child to, well, follow the title's advice.Oh, wait. I was wrong. Apparently, not everyone can see the humor in a foul-mouthed "children's book". They just have to look really long and hard to find something to be offended about. Not only that, but they actually have to make a bunch of stuff up in order to turn this viral sensation into the worst thing since the last moral panic.
Take Jean Demarest, an attorney from Oregon:
Demarest told me that initially she thought the book was funny. That was before she read it. "Now I find it unsettling. I don't like violent language in association with children."Demarest may be disturbed by the book's language, but considering her line of work, it's understandable that she might be. My argument is not with her take on the book, as quoted.
She has good reason to be concerned about the message behind such a parody. Demarest was the prosecuting attorney in one of Oregon's most high-profile child murder cases. She understands the fear that far too many children endure because the lines of what's appropriate parenting have become blurred.
Nobody is suggesting that there's a connection between Adam Mansbach's book and child abuse or child neglect. Still, there's no denying the reason "Go the F*** to Sleep" should be kept out of reach of children is because of its violent language and because of the way it demeans children."
However, the author of this post, Karen Spears Zacharias, has decided to use Demarest as a lead-in to a bunch of her own conclusions, none of which were stated by a respected attorney who recently dealt with a child's murder.
Sure, "nobody's suggesting that there's a connection" between Go the F**k to Sleep and child abuse, but Zacharias wastes a whole lot of words not suggesting it. For instance, I could say, "I'm not suggesting that Zacharias has never enjoyed anything wholeheartedly in her life, but there's no denying the fact that this article is about as much fun as removing asbestos with your teeth." Now, I haven't actually suggested anything, but I've certainly shifted everyone's perception of Zacharias.
This is just the setup. To really not enjoy Go the F**k to Sleep, you have to use your IMAGINATION!
"Imagine if this were written about Jews, blacks, Muslims or Latinos," says Dr. David Arredondo. He is an expert on child development and founder of The Children's Program, in the San Francisco metropolitan area, which provides consultation and training for those working with troubled youths.HOLYFRICKINWHAAAA???? WHATTHEF***AREYOUTALKINGABOUTMAN?
It is hard to imagine this kind of humor being tolerated by any of the marginalized groups Arredondo cited. Consider the lines on page 3:
"The eagles who soar thru the sky are at rest
And the creatures who crawl, run and creep.
I know you are not thirsty. That's bulls**t.
Stop lying.
Lie the f*** down, my darling, and sleep."
Imagine!
Can you imagine??!!!
What if... and I want you to stay with me on this... What if... you're going to love this... what if someone wrote a book that said nothing derogatory towards anybody but instead parodied the wholesomeness of children's books by making it a profanity-laden plea directed at a wired-up child?
Imagine that! Imagine someone having a bit of laugh and finding out, much to his surprise, that the humor was universal!
Oh, but I see you have no imagination. Instead, what you have, Dr. Arrendondo, is the same thing that insurance fraud artists have: a desire to "play the victim." Without anyone, anywhere, ever having said anything about any race, creed, nationality, etc., you've managed to drag your issues into the middle of a viral sensation to somehow prove a point that didn't need to be made, and for that matter, a point that doesn't even really exist.
First of all, you marginalize every one of those groups yourself by referring to them as "marginalized." Then, you conjure up some sort of racist boogeyman who travels side-by-side with the F-word until everyone dies of culture shock.
Zacharias won't let it go, either. She continues to beat every last bit of enjoyment out of Mansbach's book with her ridiculous need to equate everything, no matter how unrelated, to whatever issue she's decided really needs to be dealt with:
For far too many kids, the obscenities found in Mansbach's book are a common, everyday household language. Swearing is how parents across the social, educational and economic strata express their disappointments or anxieties, their frustrations and outright anger at their children. Sometimes the biggest bully in the neighborhood lives in the same house you do. Sometimes it's your parent.She's right. It's not the least bit funny. Not when you've got an axe to grind and the space to do it. No one is "for" child abuse or neglect. No one really thinks that swearing at children is "good parenting." And certainly no one thinks that telling blacks, Latinos, etc. to "go the f**k to sleep" is acceptable. But here we are, being told something we all know, by people who have proven that anything can be twisted into an "issue" and that are obviously incapable of enjoying a good joke.
Perhaps the reason Mansbach's book resonates isn't so much because of the humor, but because of the truth behind it.
The violent language of "Go the F*** to Sleep" is not the least bit funny, when one considers how many neglected children fall asleep each night praying for a parent who'd care enough to hold them, nurture them and read to them.
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So they know that the article isn't even for the people who read the book. It's for the people who don't.
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This is why I hate cars...
Why?
Because almost anyone can obtain one, and then, if they choose, can drive down the street and shout "Nigger" and "Dirty Jew" at people from their open window, which is not funny.
If we could just get rid of cars, that specific scenario would never play out, and the world would be a better place.
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But I think crade had a much more broad definition in mind, not just discipline. He's probably talking about encouraging your child, or teaching them (or not in a few cases), protecting the children. It's all one giant gray area.
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Generalizations about human beings don't work.
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Spanking is physical assault. If you are a parent and you think you need to spank your child to "instill discipline", you have a weak mind and were probably also beaten as a child.
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Most parents think this way so nobody can blame you for thinking this as well. I am sure you never had to raise your voice at them either. I am also sure a well reasoned discussion with a 5 year old works every time.
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Sometimes a firm swat on a diapered butt does more good (for dangerous things, like bolting into the street or touching matches or playing with the stove) then "No, no, musn't do that, there's a good baby. Have a sweet! Don't cry, you can do whatever you want!" crap that passes for parenting now.
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Neither of my sisters were 'beaten' as children, though both did get spanked. Who is right and who is wrong? More importantly, who are you to decide for me? Get off your soapbox, and take your 'physical assault' hippiespeak and 'weak mind' mamby pamby bs elsewhere.
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I can honestly say I was never beaten as a child, mentally or physically. It baffles me that you propose that fucking with a child's mind is a superior method than a quick single spank on their bottom to condition them. I honestly hope your children continue to be wonderful their entire life, but it is often seen that good children do not necessarily become good adults.
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Wow what a wonderful outlook. So good children don't make good adults, and bad children don't either.
I propose we get rid of the children. After all, they are the real problem here. If it wasn't for the children, we wouldn't need all this stuff to protect against.
Get rid of the children, for the children.
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Good children don't always make good adults. Many of them lack critical thinking skills present in 'bad' (mischievous or rebellious) children. Some of them work out just fine as cube workers or ditch diggers.
Bad children don't always make bad adults. Many of the qualities that make a child 'bad' are excellent qualities in adults. Thinking for yourself, curiosity, excitement for new tasks, and pushing boundaries are hallmarks of horrible little monsters.
Before you build a straw man out of what I said, I used 'don't always'. I also labeled a pretty specific group of bad children. I was a bad child and I turned out to be a bad adult. Many of my friends who were bad children turned out to be fantastic adults. Most of the people I knew that were 'good kids' work at the mall, change tires, or cut hair. We need people to do those things, but that doesn't make them 'good adults'. That makes them 'good drones'.
I suppose it's all a matter of how you define 'good adult' and 'good children'. Truthfully, things would be much easier if we killed everyone under 16 years of age and stabbed anyone who wants gets pregnant/gets someone else pregnant.
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"...good children do not necessarily become good adults."
From you (attempting to paraphrase Lord Binky):
"...good children don't make good adults..."
Try actually trying to comprehend what you read. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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I have two kids myself. What works for one kid does not necessarily work for the other.
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I bet you have two horrible little monsters that should be put the f**k to sleep with an injection.
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> children in the world.
I have no idea whether your children are wonderful or not, but it's worth noting that-- given the current parenting paradigm-- the parents of children who are actually complete assholes also believe them to be absolutely wonderful.
It's a peculiar set of blinders that seems to have wholly arisen in just the last 20 years or so.
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Yeah. My Pops thought I was a little asshole. I kinda think he was right, though....
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Sense of humor
That's the root of the problem. Mass culture is not compatible with good humor. The sense of humor is dangerous for those who try manipulating homo consumerus' emotions: good sense of humor is inseparable from ability to think critically. As a result of brainwashing, if either laugh track, "I'm kidding" disclaimer, or a smiley is missing, there is a risk of literal interpretation, i.e. gross misinterpretation.
In another TechDirt's discussion I noted that the necessity of solving lots of captchas daily makes our generation smarter. And it was taken literally: someone demanded the proof.
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I tried. It didn't make any sense, since parents are not caregivers to any of the groups he listed. In fact, since you have to imagine a position of authority over one or more of these grouping to even get to the place where Arredondo apparently is, I'd suggest that he's the one with the problem here.
For far too many kids, the obscenities found in Mansbach's book are a common, everyday household language.
Okay, you know what? Words are just words. It's now what's said, but how it's said that matters. My children aren't going to feel any different about hearing the word 'shit' than they would hearing the word 'yowza', or different about 'damnit' when I stub my toe rather than 'darnit', provided that they have the same inflection. So the words themselves aren't a problem.
However, I understand that what the writer means is that some parents verbally abuse their children as a matter of course, which is irelevant since the parents who do so aren't going to be shocked or amused by this book in the first place.
Again, the writer seems to be the one with the problem. I'm going back to listen to Samuel L. Jackson read the book again. Bye!
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A simple solution
Ban the book. Historically this technique has been hugely effective(*).
Or better, burn all copies! We'll dance around a huge bonfire in the public square.
* banning content also works extremely well for Internet content.
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Imagine if this were written about Jews, blacks, Muslims or Latinos...
And the creatures who crawl, run and creep.
I know you are not thirsty. That's bulls**t.
Stop lying.
Lie the f*** down, my Jew, and sleep."
"The eagles who soar thru the sky are at rest
And the creatures who crawl, run and creep.
I know you are not thirsty. That's bulls**t.
Stop lying.
Lie the f*** down, my Black, and sleep."
"The eagles who soar thru the sky are at rest
And the creatures who crawl, run and creep.
I know you are not thirsty. That's bulls**t.
Stop lying.
Lie the f*** down, my Muslim, and sleep."
"The eagles who soar thru the sky are at rest
And the creatures who crawl, run and creep.
I know you are not thirsty. That's bulls**t.
Stop lying.
Lie the f*** down, my Latino, and sleep."
You know, I am just not seeing anything to get raged over here. I tried substituting those protected classes of people and the passage just doesn't make any sense.
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Yes, all parents have thought it now and again, when the little ones don't want to sleep, but it's not something that should be out there as a normal way to talk to kids.
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You won't find this book on the kids book shelf at the book store. You won't find this book in the self help section or the parenting section. You will find this book in the Humor section of book stores. That is what you are supposed to take it as.
If someone reads this book and decides to actually talk to their kids this way, it is a problem with the person not the book.
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I understand the book is humor. So is someone saying "Ni--er please!", but oddly we don't want to tolerate that. While both of them may be fun to some, they are pretty offensive to others.
The book expresses what might be considered a humorous opinion, but some people may take it as truth. Remember, a good propaganda campaign often starts with a joke (just go look for the Obama pole turtle thing to get an idea). What is funny in the book is that it rings true for many parents.
It's making humor out of a situation that is actually very real for many kids in America, and that isn't funny, just sad. I can understand where the book is humor, but may not be a joke in good taste.
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When I give a shit about your opinion of me, I'll let you know. Way to take issue with something in the exact same manner as what you are criticizing though, so nice job on the hypocrisy. (amusing, but meaningless, 'cause I know you wont get THAT joke either.)
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Not everyone has the same taste thus not everyone will like everything.
On the subject of offense, it is not the author's job to avoid offending other people. If someone is offended, again they can stop reading/watching/viewing/playing what ever offends them.
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> humorous opinion, but some people may take it
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That could be said about *anything*. Any comedy, and humor, any movie, any TV show, any book.
There's always some crazed malcontent who might think it's real and act accordingly.
Your solution seems to be that we should all become a bunch of hyper-literal, humorless drones on the off chance someone might misinterpret a joke.
And you actually seem to be serious about it. Amazing.
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Right. Its not. But idiots like you are taking this book to be LITERAL.
Let me give you a clue.
ITS A FUCKING JOKE YOU MORONIC DOUCHETARD.
The idea of telling a kid to "go the fuck to sleep" and how that really isnt appropriate
IS
THE
JOKE.
The fact that you cant see that means the problem is YOU, not everyone else.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdity
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This is not a parenting manual. It is not intended, marketed, or portrayed as such. It is a joke, it's supposed to be funny.
If you cannot make the distinction then the problem is with YOU, not the book.
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This is not a book to read to children. It's a book that gives the hypothetical parent's internal monologue, in the format of a children's book, for IRONIC value.
The sad fact that I'm EXPLAINING this makes me weep for the state of humanity. As a whole, we are not worth saving.
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Which is what makes the book so funny, natch.
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We already established that there would be no child abuse if there were no children.
Not to mention that if we all had no children and stuck to it, racism, sexism and all other bad things would be entirely wiped out in around 100 years.
And yet no one takes this option seriously.
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I agree we must get rid of the children to protect them!
[just playing along here because it works on the same absurdity that makes the book humorous.]
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Get in line
I think if some of the other problems were addressed in some effective way, and I don't know what that might be, society as a whole could handle very well the amount of abuse that came about as a result of this book.
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There is much better evidence for blaming the Bible for these problems. The Bible's use excusing all these social ills easily documented
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Go the F*** to Church?
Might just work!
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A Modest Proposal: Go the f*ck to english class
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"Rockabye Baby"...OMG! They put their kid in a tree! If the bough breaks...OMG!
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1603863559/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVP DKIKX0DER
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Someone has to say it.
I've got an idea for a sequel:
"You shouldn't be reading this f***ing book."
Fold your hands, hide your eyes
Why aren't you in the sheltered nook
With tales for meant for tykes
You shouldn't be reading this f***ing book.
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Silverstein
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Dont tell Irish Jokes cos they may be Black
Dont tell Mother-in-law jokes cos they may be Jewish
Dont tell Racist jokes cos they may be women
Dont tell Dwarf jokes cos they may be Fat
Yup - thats it, it all makes sense now.
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Man, that opens up whole new worlds of indignation. The Twilight books? Imagine it if you changed the word "vampire" to "mentally challenged person." Offensive! Alice in Wonderland? Imagine if you changed "Wonderland" to "an internment camp." Offensive! "Roses are red"? Imagine if the last line said "F*** off, you self-serious prat" instead? Offensive!
This is kind of fun.
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I read that as: "fuck fuck fuck, fuck shit fuck cunt fuck fuck fuck and fuck shit cunt fuck fuck by the fuck."
Tone it down for chrissakes!
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(1) a system of inducing moral panics whereby the agitator employs the following function of 'imagine if [widely known creative work] were about [agitator's disadvantaged constituency] instead of [actual subject of creative work]';
(2) the implementation of the system in Claim 1 to achieve desired political outcomes in the absence of credible data to support said results;
(3) the implementation of the system in Claim 1 to cultivate otherwise unearned media attention."
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Mad Magazine
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"No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously."
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I think this is one time that we do not have to think about the children.
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Lame book for lame brains
Last link (before Google Books bans it also]:
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526
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Don't you know that everyone commenting here only wants something if it's for free?
For heaven's sake, man....
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Why no revival? Is there Still no revival?
Because they watch Family Guy and other stuff on TV. They make friends that are not real on the internet. Since 1961, we don't bother reading the bible and watch westerns, anime, Family Guy, Sponge Bob, etc. They believe a lie. They replaced the Lord's Word with lies.
The Supreme Court made the FCC indecency rules unconstitutional. Because of that our children are speaking blasphemies and foul language. We now have a combination of Christianity and Islam combined into one religion, Chrislam.
Is there still no revival? The answer is yes.
Because of Facebook, Christian relationships have fallen.
Today, America is now in trouble. America is Babylon the Great.
We need a revival. Jesus is coming.
Put all your internet and TV away and all that materialism as well and start accepting Jesus your Lord and Savior right now before it's too late.
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Hope he's wearing protection, brah. I ain't no Mary freaking Magdelene, after all....
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waiiiiting..........
oh, crap. it's not.
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Just be happy if your kids are reading it...
Man, my wife and I love it when they want to read! I've tried Playboy, The Bible, Mein Kampf, Dr Seuss... nothing just seems to work like this book! It's brilliant!
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Everyone really knows it's about the most poorly written and acted romance of all time.
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literature
The romance novel writers look down on these fools.
"The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water." - John W. Gardner
Such is also the case for lowest common denominator writing.
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RTFA!
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You may think that I, like the attn. have no sense of humor, and maybe I don't - hopefully will have a more loved and self-confident daughter.
Kind thoughts.
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so lighten up and take it for what it is - a joke.
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Don't get me wrong, I would not say the Internet is a per se bad thing. But you have to take the good with the bad, as they say - whomever they may be.
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about things like this book. Any one with common sense would not read this book to their children
Life too short for nonsense, and being uptight
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about things like this book. Any one with common sense would not read this book to their children
Life too short for nonsense, and being uptight
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