WSJ's Defense Of News Of The World: Hey, It's Not Like They Published Wikileaks Secrets
from the uh-what? dept
Lots of folks are pointing out the ridiculousness of a new editorial in the WSJ defending News Corp. (the owner of the WSJ) in the ongoing hacking debacle. Basically, it defends everything about News Corp. and its actions with a tiny nod to the fact that phone hacking is illegal at the beginning and at the end of the piece, but, even then, it tries to pin the blame on UK law enforcement rather than News Corps.' own actions:Phone-hacking is illegal, and it is up to British authorities to enforce their laws. If Scotland Yard failed to do so adequately when the hacking was first uncovered several years ago, then that is more troubling than the hacking itself.Uh, yeah. What struck me as even more ridiculous was the editorial's attempt to mock other publications for talking about this by noting that some of those publications (they're mainly talking about The Guardian, who has been the main force driving the phone hacking story for the past few years) worked with Julian Assange and Wikileaks:
The Schadenfreude is so thick you can't cut it with a chainsaw. Especially redolent are lectures about journalistic standards from publications that give Julian Assange and WikiLeaks their moral imprimatur.Let's see. One involves getting whistleblowers to expose corporate and government malfeasance... and one involved hacking into the phone of a dead girl and erasing messages, throwing off the investigation and giving her family hope. Sure, I can see how there's a moral equivalence there...
Does the editorial board at the WSJ really believe that the public is so stupid as to think that the two things are even remotely equivalent? And if so, why is it that the WSJ set up its own Wikileaks-competitor, with much weaker security and promises to protect identities?
It's a sad day when the Wall Street Journal admits it can't tell the difference between whistleblowing and reporters hacking into personal voicemails and then paying off police and others about it.
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Who owns Wall Street Journal?
But the WSJ claims it has editorial independence from Rupert Murdoch.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/wall-street-journal-editorial-independence-murdoch-144 244300.html
Yeah. Right.
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And the guy he interviewed, what is his deal? "Citibank, great bank. Bank of America, great bank." Say what now? And he said regarding why news organizations are covering the phone hacking story: "I can't understand it." Then you shouldn't be on TV talking about it.
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Also the editorial was trying to defend the journalists who were not part of the scandel, though we may want to paint them all with the Murdoch brush, I'm sure there were many journalists there who only went in to work and then went back home everyday, without so much as a single cackle about 'hacking' into all the phones in britain.
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We are left to conclude that anyone who says they were unaware is either an idiot or lying.
I strongly suspect that the entire organization is rotten to the core, at ALL levels. Equally strongly, I suspect that nothing (of consequence) will happen to Murdoch -- harsh punishment is reserved for teenage hackers who share a few songs and is never doled out to the wealthy and powerful, even when they interfere in murder and terrorist investigations.
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The what now?
What is primarily argued on this site, is to leave a free market to be a free market, if it is your opinion that free market philosophy is of the left, then that is a new one on me.
As someone left leaning myself and normally against free market philosophy; because in the non digital world all the factors that need to be equal for a free market to actually work to the benefit of everyone, don't.
But in the digital world they do, and then we see those who benefit from and promote the "free market" in the analogue world, suddenly want all kinds of government intervention to prevent there being a free market in the digital world, the only place where the thing can actually truly exist.
Now for my gratuitous swing at the U.S. right
The opinions expressed on this site are not about left or right wing views on anything, they are perhaps mainly expressed by intelligent people and their views are generally based on facts which I can understand would naturally make many on the US right view them as egghead leftist socialist positions. Facts and intelligence are not in and of themselves of the left, even if facts and intelligent understanding of those facts might tend to make people lean that way on many issues.
The facts here are that Murdoch controlled media interests are spinning the story as fast as they can to absolve the owners and principal beneficiaries of the actual crimes committed and passing the blame onto everyone else.
That is not about protecting journalists, it's way more important than that, it's about protecting extremely fat wallets and the people who hold them.
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Huh?!? Since when?
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Not balanced and fair like what they are.
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It's quite a lot like double entendres it should sail over the heads of everyone who doesn't get it, it's intended to.
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If you know what I mean. Right, guys?
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Wikileaks = phone hacking
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Who can spell "conflict of interest"
FOX - owned by News International
NotW - owned by News International
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Do we see a pattern of interests here?
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Your post above is just 1 example of many
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1) Doing bad things (lying, hacking, bribing public official/police) is good (if a) you aren't caught and b) done in the name of "journalism").
2) Doing good things (exposing people who are doing greedy, immoral, or outright illegal activities) is wrong.
Gotcha.
Or to quote Lightning McQueen "Thank you. Or should I say no thank you. Because maybe in opposite world that means thank you."
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When you use acronyms, please define them the first time you use them. Your habit of having us google all your acronyms is annoying. WTF is the WSJ? Yes, I had to waste 10 pointless seconds I could have used productively somewhere else...
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A rather brash statement lacking any foundation, care to elaborate?
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I assume a certain level of knowledge among my readership.
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Don't forget that Fox News, WSJ, and Murdoch supported war in Iraq.
By the way, a reporter named Sean Hoare was found dead yesterday: he's the one who, er, I forget the phrase (Google the name yourself), but made a connection from Murdoch to a Brit politician on various points of this. So, conjecture /has to be/ that Murdoch or gov't had him killed as a warning to others to stop this growing scandal.
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Thus you are demanding evidence for a claim that not -- yet -- been made.
As to the conjecture: only pathetically weak-minded fools would consider the timing of this death a coincidence. it's obvious to everyone whose intelligence rates above "reptilian" that there IS a connection. However, that leaves open the nature of that connection, and on that point, there are precious few facts available today. None that I've seen provide any usable indication of what really happened, and if we (optimistically) believe that the investigation is being done fairly, that is, without an eye toward protecting anyone, then it's possible we will not have any additional (and useful) facts for some time, as they will be closely kept in order to avoid botching the investigation. If on the other hand this is merely a charade, then we can expect leaks early and often -- judiciously selected, of course, to produce the desired public opinions.
Incidentally, the AP reports that Hertfordshire Police went to his house "because they had concerns for his welfare". The AP does not report WHY police had such concerns, an omission that I find interesting.
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There is no conjecture by anyone to be taken seriously that this death is suspicious, but it is being investigated as all sudden deaths are, but because of his profile it will be handled by the major crimes unit.
If there is anything suspicious after the post mortem and preliminary investigations, then there may be room for genuine conjecture.
At the moment what you are doing is spinning crackpot conspiracy theories and making yourselves look like idiots.
But it's a free internet, so feel free to carry on.
There are many websites where your fanciful bullshit will be greeted with great joy rather than contempt.
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Your reading comprehension, or lack thereof, is appalling. No theory, crackpot or otherwise has been advanced.
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It's obvious that it should be investigated thoroughly (but perhaps not by Scotland Yard). It's obvious there may be a connection. It also should be obvious that there are coincidences, people die unexpectedly every day, and it's possible it has nothing to do with current events. I find it strange for you to conclude that it's obvious what happened when you have no evidence of what happened.
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Yeah, I thought so . . .
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Yeah, I thought so . . ."
You thought? Seriously?
I wouldn't have believed it but I'll take your word for it.
Did you notice Mike make that claim anywhere or did you perhaps fail to notice that he was pointing out that the WSJ was defending News Corp. the parent company of both itself and the now defunct NOTW, by assigning responsibility to everyone but the owners and principle beneficiaries.
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That wasn't the claim. You need to read, friend. The issue is that they're minimizing what occurred.
Seriously? "Phone-hacking is illegal, and it is up to British authorities to enforce their laws. If Scotland Yard failed to do so adequately when the hacking was first uncovered several years ago, then that is more troubling than the hacking itself."
Uh, no it isn't. The lack of a solution to a problem is NEVER more troubling than the problem itself, because w/o that problem there would be no need of a solution.
"Oh, yes, terrorism is bad, but more troubling is that we can't stop it."
Uh, no? The terrorism is still more troubling....
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dear mike
Gotta blame those "misguided members of the public" not the fact that your own organization maliciously pretended a murder victim was alive, (allegedly) may have planted evidence that someone was a terrorist (causing them to get shot in the head on the London Underground), (alleged) insider trading being the reason for purchasing WSJ/Dow Jones and so many other things (we won't even mention the allegations that someone very high up at NI tried to engineer an assassination attempt on the Queen of England by freely giving away her personal security arrangements).....
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Not true
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phone hacking and "whistleblowing"
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So, if he hasn't broken any of his own countrys laws, how can he be a criminal ?
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