Wasn't The PATRIOT Act Supposed To Be About Stopping Terrorism?
from the oh-look dept
The PATRIOT Act was all about stopping terrorism, right? We were told that special provisions that ate away at our civil liberties were needed specifically to catch dangerous terrorists -- and that the reason for such an abdication of our rights had nothing to do with simply giving the government more useful surveillance powers. Aaron DeOliveira points us to a fascinating chart that shows how often law enforcement has been using "sneak-and-peek" warrants. These warrants let officials search private property without letting the target of the investigation know. Again, we were told that these expanded powers were needed to stop terrorism. So what have they been used for? Take a look:
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“What you see is what you get Provision
I believe there should be a WYSIWYG provision in every law like the PATRIOT act that basically goes like this:1. Law is created that gives the police insane powers for catching leprechauns
2. Time passes (2 years as a suggestion)
3. Mandatory dialog between Police and fellow citizens:
Publicly appointed person:
Excuse me Mr. Police Officer, how's that law working out and how many leprechauns did you catch?
Police type person:
OMG it's sooooo great! I was able to catch 1,300 smurfs!!!
Publicly appointed person:
Oh, I see; that law is now null and void. If you want to catch smurfs *AND* leprechauns, you're going to have to write the law that way. This one is done, go back and try again.
Another idea would be to have the law with a mandatory sunset. For example after 5 years, if you've not caught all the terrorists with these new powers, then they aren't working the way you thought they would. Give us back our rights.
Of course Law Enforcement would want to extend these powers, and I believe the law should let them. However it should function like this:
1. 5 years is up and the Law Enforcement folks come to renew the law
2. We happily allow this but we automatically cut the time in half before the sunset occurs again.
In addition to this, the Law Enforcement folks who benefit from this law (which is all of them) lose 10% of their budget which is then to be used for social welfare. That or a really big block party. Either one.
/shrug. It could work
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Afghanistan.
Drug money fuels terrorism.
Nice try though.
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... but that's why we have drug laws.
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And hey, the PATRIOT Act worked, people are now far more afraid of their government than they are of any (other) terrorist group.
So, mission accomplished. Way to go team. Let's all go home for some burgers & beer.
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On various social, economic, and policy levels
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It all started with the war on drugs
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Drugs and Priracy Fund Terrorism
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Taliban couldn't stand drugs. Fact checking = win!
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Typo...
Feel free to delete this.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Trafficking
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"The cultivation of opium in Afghanistan reached its peak in 1999, when 350 square miles (910 km2) of poppies were sown. The following year the Taliban banned poppy cultivation, a move which cut production by 94 percent. By 2001 only 30 square miles (78 km2) of land were in use for growing opium poppies. A year later, after American and British troops had removed the Taliban and installed the interim government, the land under cultivation leapt back to 285 square miles (740 km2), with Afghanistan supplanting Burma to become the world's largest opium producer once more. Opium production in that country has increased rapidly since, reaching an all-time high in 2006. War in Afghanistan once again appeared as a facilitator of the trade. Some 3.3 million Afghans are involved in producing opium."
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The "drug war" is a fool's errand whose primary function is to syphon public money to private entities.
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Little typo...
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http://www.digyourowngrave.com/saturday-night-live-old-glory-robot-insurance/
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wikipedia supports terrorism.
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What you see is what you get Provision
1. Law is created that gives the police insane powers for catching leprechauns
2. Time passes (2 years as a suggestion)
3. Mandatory dialog between Police and fellow citizens:
Publicly appointed person:
Excuse me Mr. Police Officer, how's that law working out and how many leprechauns did you catch?
Police type person:
OMG it's sooooo great! I was able to catch 1,300 smurfs!!!
Publicly appointed person:
Oh, I see; that law is now null and void. If you want to catch smurfs *AND* leprechauns, you're going to have to write the law that way. This one is done, go back and try again.
Another idea would be to have the law with a mandatory sunset. For example after 5 years, if you've not caught all the terrorists with these new powers, then they aren't working the way you thought they would. Give us back our rights.
Of course Law Enforcement would want to extend these powers, and I believe the law should let them. However it should function like this:
1. 5 years is up and the Law Enforcement folks come to renew the law
2. We happily allow this but we automatically cut the time in half before the sunset occurs again.
In addition to this, the Law Enforcement folks who benefit from this law (which is all of them) lose 10% of their budget which is then to be used for social welfare. That or a really big block party. Either one.
/shrug. It could work
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Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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I don't get it...
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Doesn't this make them anti-competitive?
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No, no, let him keep tripping over his own illogical testicles. It is soooooo fun to watch....
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"It's the drugs..."
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Also, the vast majority of cartel leaders are catholic, so just because the american media paints both terrorists and drug dealers as 'brown people', doesn't mean the 2 VERY different groups have anything in common other than the rough shading of their skin.
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Based large on the same principle tests to see if you are a witch. We drown, burn, etc you. If you are not a witch then you shall simply die (but your soul will be saved) and if you do not die then you must be a witch.
The witch hunting standards have just been updated and the Patriot act 'helps' .
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C'mon ACs (you know which ACs I'm talking about), help me out.
I need you to tell me again how it will have no unintended consequences for the rest of the internet.
Please tell me it won't break the internet.
Not all at once now...
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Hey, goes what? I heard that parents sometimes give birth to kids that grow up to be terrorists. So - having parents fuels terrorism. Lets go after all families, too.
If the investigation is drugs, they are using it for drugs, not terrorism. Because some drug dealers fund terrorists, does not mean DEA are focused on battling terrorists. They are looking for drug dealers, because that in itself is a crime.
Tying it to terrorism is just another way to weasel more rights away from you. Last I checked, drug dealers can be American citizens, and have access to the same constitutional rights as you do. I know this statement is way overused by people that don't know the difference...but this is ACTUALLY anti-constitutional. Have a right to due process. If the agency is using sneak-and-peak, that means they don't have any evidence, or enough evidence to call it probable cause...its a way to get evidence enough to obtain an actual, constitutional warrant.
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The expansion of the poppy fields has been made by the taliban as a way to finance their insurgent activities since 2001. They didn't have the need for the money then, but they certainly have the need for the money now. The vast majority of the cultivation is in taliban controlled areas of the country.
Please look past the end of your nose.
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The patriot act...
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Can you point to examples of the PATRIOT act being used to prevent poppy cultivation in Afghanistan?
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And that's exactly (and only) what it has been used for.
/sarc
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the other plus side to this, besides lowering the number of extremists produced in the region, is the continued war on drugs at home (supplied by a country we occupy), and the continued availability of law enforcement to use the patriot act for purposes it was not intended for. All cheer lead by uniformed folks such as yourself.
we are the cause and cure of the disease, and there is no reason to believe that continued production benefits the taliban more then our government's own self-serving interests.
liberty, who needs it right?
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patrot-act, terrorism, and what else
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( C). False/ unjust/ frivolous levies, liens, garnishment, guardianship, power of attorneys, foreclosure, tenant-hold-over- eviction, etc. Thousands of cases are pending in the court systems for years or even decades; believed to be filed by “fraud- crime- networks” to victimize people; without due process, proper services, proceedings; cause homelessness, poverty; not because of the problems of homeowners/citizens, but because of unjust judicial/court/legal personnel, court auditor Robert Romero as part of “official misconduct- government gang- fraud- crime- injustice networks”. Judges (unjust, irresponsible, judicially disabled) include Warren Donohue, John Debelius, Durk Thumpson, Ann Harrington, Louise Scrivener, Lawrence De Beard, Eric Johnson, James McKenna; District Judge Gary Everngam, Judge Gary Crawford; court personnel/ sheriff, attorneys, affiliated law firms; Sheriffs Earnest Turner, R. Lewis, K. Naff, etc.
(E). Problems of privatization, irresponsibility, disabilities of government attorneys and judicial/legal/court personnel are very serious, expanding, local- nationwide- global; exporting injustice overseas; Rockville city, Montgomery County, Maryland state; New Jersey Monmouth County, Judge Robert McLeod (private attorney), Judge Patricia Bueno Cleary, Prosecutor (private attorney) Patrick Healy, police David D’Arcy.
(F) Other people committed, conspired with police and fraud- crime- networks: Private attorneys: Robert McCarthy (Bethesda, Md.), Olivia Cammack (Silver Spring, Md.), David Slacker (Bethesda Md.); Ria Rochvarg (assigned as legal assistance provider to certain counties by Md. Department of Health and Mental Highgiene, but she went around the state for various abuses with Sherry Davis, Police Davis, etc. attorneys (public and private), Timonthy Adelman, Esq., (?) and law firms Adelman, Sheff and Smith(?, in Annapolis, Md), Robert McCarthy, Suburban Hospital, etc. Landlord/ landladies e.g., Jiewen Tan (Rockville, Md.) and Chia Yao (Gaithersburg, Md.) had been unjustly influenced/ conspired.
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poppy fields under US Rule: Over 9000
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The patriot act is not about stopping terrorists.
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Can you seriously be this far down in the comments, and a TechDirt reader, and still confuse correlation with causation? Don't waste our time.
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You see that is why proibition never works it produces the right incentives for real criminals to profit and become a problem, if it was legalized you wouldn't have all this financing schemes that benefit the Taliban now would you?
Even the government own studies acknowledge that fact.
"Prohibition led to widespread disrespect for law. New York City alone had about thirty thousand (yes, 30,000) speakeasies. And even public leaders flaunted their disregard for the law. They included the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, who owned and operated an illegal still."
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/FunFacts/references/Prohibition.html#19
http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
Is just like the others proibition of our time like copyrights and piracy, the more the people from behind the curtains scream the more others find it appealing to do it more.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/ne ws/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html
What is the US government going to do about it?
Nothing apparently since a year has passed and not a pip came out of that.
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More impressive is that crime is rising again after decades of decline.
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Oh look when the police is confronted with the fact that clearance rates(aka crime solving rates) are declining despite boosting crime decline, they say the statistics are not accurate.
So when people show the police that despite a reduction in crimes committed, they actually are getting more and more incompetent year after year they say with a strait face that their numbers are wrong and should not be used, WTF?!
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Terrorist to one person is a freedom fighter to another.
It has been put in such broad terms that it is really just like everything else, being a crime.
I am sure that seeing the huge drug trade that would terrorise some people.
As would theft, fraud, and undue enforcement of 'laws', it would be hard to say that the US has not conducted it's own campaign of terror with Rumsfeld stating "we have to fight them the same way they are fighting us".
all that chart shows is that there are A LOT more people in the drug trade then in the terror trade.
Obviously a single terrorist can do alot more damage than a single drug dealer, but there are far more drug dealers than terrorists, does not mean you dont bother with looking for them.
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the lie about WMD's caused great terror. deliberatly
ONLY ONE PERSON in the entire town had ANY clue as to what the pictures were of !!! that was the police chief.
they had NO idea what '911' was or what effect it has, and have never even heard about it let along seen a picture of it.
and yes, it is clear with absolute proof that terrorism is largely financed by the drug trade.
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This has become a magical word that acts as a skeleton key for the cage containing the dogs of war. Michele Bachmann just the other night at the Republican Debate changed the topic of Border Patrol dealing with illegal immigrants to Narcoterrorism. She may have a point, there are some major problems with cartels and violence in the area. However, the idea that she slipped it into a debate about illegal immigration shows how the vagueness of the Patriot Act is twisted to suit ones needs. Now we can think about treating the entire situation, immigration and drugs as one problem that will fall under the scope of the Patriot Act. All this thanks to the inclusion of one little word.
The single biggest argument against The Patriot Act, has always been that its scope is far too broad and its definition on who it can be used against are far too vague. Set aside the obvious breach it causes for our privacy and look at what it actually does to our right to dissent. We now have a set of laws that, on a politician whim, can be used to label us domestic terrorists.
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Intent
The first charge of RICO I saw was a Doctor that was defrauding Medicare.
It is a fairly common charge now for any business that the government wants to harass.
Never believe when supporters of a bill say "Yeah but we are only going after..."
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My biggest bitch about these stats is that a lot of the drug arrest have been people growing medicinal marijuana.. complying with their state laws. Apparently states have no rights, and the federal government needs to control everything and everyone. And to those who say marijuana is not medicinal, maybe you should watch the documentary "Run From the Cure" (it's on youtube).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan
Just read the first paragraph of that. Educate yourself.
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WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP
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If it was realy about terrorism they would stop the flow of drugs at the source instead of going to peoples houses.
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The statement "Drug money controls terrorism" is quite possibly the most ignorant statement I've heard toward the "war on drugs"
Tell me, what part of making a plant, not even a plant, a WEED illegal?
Protip: If the plants were not illegal, then no one has to go to harms way to obtain it.
Go back to the 80's with that Reagan Anti-Drug bullshit.
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nice try though.
Also you might want to look into the meaning of the word drug because yes there are other drugs in the word other than opium.
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Trying to use prohibition to make something that 30$ of population takes part in (drugs) is ludicrous. The only reason the war on drugs continues is the lobby money that comes in year after, election after election.
If they really wanted to stop the violence they would legalize the minor/harmless/beneficial drugs. then the cartels would have to find another way to finance their shenanigans.
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Sep 8th, 2011 @ 10:33am
So think before you post things you only know about from commercials.
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really???
the US governement funded terrorism retards during their civil war. But that's the one thing the government loves about the internet. We're told it's a wealth of information, which is just wool over our eyes. It's a wealth of CONTROLLED information.
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Marijuana is mostly domestic now a days, so less money for terrorists. Which gives me an idea. Why don't we regulate drugs and decrease a major source of profits for terrorists?
By the way when we take out big drug dealers all it does is increase prices and therefor profits for the other surviving dealers. There will always be someone who is willing to take risk and gain massive profits.
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This is about domestic searches
Nice try though.
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Taliban
The Taliban
Stuff your troll
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Afghanistan.
What country had oil executive Hamid Karzai installed as a puppet president by business owners George W. Bush and Salem bin Laden?
Afghanistan.
What country became the world's leading producer of poppy within 6 months of the overthrow of their government by the United States?
Afghanistan.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dyinginafghanistan.php
Drug money fuels terrorism? Well who is harvesting the poppy in Afghanistan?
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Anomymous Coward, how appropriate
"I have to ask: Mike, what country has the largest production of poppies?
Afghanistan.
Drug money fuels terrorism."
Uh-huh. Actually, the Far East/Southeast Asia produce more Opium than Afghanistan. Afghanistan reduced their poppy production to instead become the number 1 producer of hash to Europe. Look it up, douchebag. And why IS it that Afghanistan produces poppies? Because they are valuable. And why is that? Because, no-talent-ass-clowns(like yourself) have tampered with the market causing an artificial price spike making it more profitable. Your comment is false for another reason. Your statement is the claim that you fund criminals by purchasing from criminals. But, YOUR POLICIES PUT THESE PRODUCTS INTO THE SOLE DOMAIN OF THE CRIMINAL. If drugs were legal then they wouldn't fund criminals because law abiding businesses could handle these products. Another, reason your wrong is that the "drugs" that these warrants are used for have NOTHING TO DO WITH HEROIN. They don't even have anything to do with cocaine. The 1,618 searches are all almost exclusively for marijuana. Oh yeah! That "most foul" herb that's grown all across the US! Yep, that's worth losing our Rights! Well, I'm glad you're happy giving up your liberty and I hope your children enjoy their indentured servitude...
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Yeah, let's stop these Commie SOBs!
What?... What's a 'terrorist'? I thought we were still fighting commies....
Yeah... those terrorists are... uh... aborting 9-month old babies and selling crack to 5 year olds! (Someone please get me evidence backing me up... or just fabricate it. Thanks!).
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Sep 8th, 2011 @ 10:33am
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