NFL Ramps Up Security Theatre

from the don't-fumble-my-junk dept

Wed, Sep 21st 2011 4:46am — Timothy Geigner

Security theatre has been the goal of the TSA these past few years. Whether they're valiantly inserting their fingers into our orifices , standing bravely to defend travelers from insulin and icepacks, or simply lying to people in telling them they can't be taped during their most nefarious actions, The TSA does fake security like no other group can. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has worked harder at not producing any results than these people.

But that won't keep the NFL from trying, damn it.

Dementia writes in about a Yahoo Sports post describing the new breakthrough security technique at NFL games this year: pat-downs. That's right, the NFL is going to solve security at their games by somehow patting down seventy thousand people as they enter stadiums within roughly an hour's length of time. No, the pat-downs won't be done by federal employees, just low-paid yellow jacket-wearing folks (seriously, click the article and look at the picture, it's awesome). No there aren't any metal detectors or machine screeners a la the airport. Basically, no, these security measurements won't make anyone more...you know...secure. As Chris Chase notes:

"As far as I can tell, the only purpose gate security has is to create a mass of humanity at the entrances and comb through women's purses. The pat downs are jokes. Security personnel only checked from the waist up. If they felt anything in your pocket, their most likely recourse was to ask, "what's that?" A halfway-decent answer got you a pass."

And, as Chris also notes, if you think these measures are stupid now, just wait until the weather turns. I can just picture myself walking up to Soldier Field on a January morning in Chicago, seven layers deep between regular undergarments, long-underwear, longsleeve t-shirt, t-shirt, hoodie sweatshirt, down-insulated winter jacket, and my lovely Where's Waldo-esque scarf to tie it all together, and giving these security types a sideways glance as they attempt to pat me down. I could carry a 1967 Buick Skylark in my pants and they'd never feel it.

Why can't we stop this? Who are the NFL playing to with this nonsense? I'd like to think my fellow citizens and football consumers aren't so totally devoid of intelligence that they can't see how pointless and annoying this all is.

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ckarlgo (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:07am

Proper licensing
Did you license that scarf properly? What happens if someone asks where you are while you are wearing it? There could be confusion.
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fogbugzd, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:08am

My guess us that they are mostly looking for food and drinks. They must prevent people from evading their responsibility to buy $8 beers and $5 hot dogs.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:13am

Americans are doing their finest to stop people from buying anything, they don't want to sell anything.

That is the only thing I can possibly think off.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:24am

There are legitimate concerns about people carrying in dangerous articles, even some weapons. There is also an issue of fan drunkenness, with some slipping in the proverbial mickey and some going a bit further than that.

Mike, is all security theater in your mind?
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:24am

Re:
"My guess us that they are mostly looking for food and drinks. They must prevent people from evading their responsibility to buy $8 beers and $5 hot dogs."

Uh huh. Because if I can hide that skylark in my pants, a flask doesn't stand a chance of getting through....
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hobo, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:28am

They, purportedly, want to keep weapons and other harmful objects out of the stadium so you can't hurt a lot of people in the stadium.. by keeping crowds lined up outside the stadium. That way if this hypothetical super-villian strikes it will be outside of the stadium and therefore not the NFL's problem.

Oakland is the exception here, they need metal detectors..
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abc gum, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:30am

I for one, do not welcome our junk grabbing overlords.

Future headline:
TSA style junk grabbing to begin at the local supermarkets and malls.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:30am

Re:
"Mike, is all security theater in your mind?"

Yeah, Mike. This article is utter dogshit. Whoever wrote it is the kind of monkey-ass idiot that should be locked up and forced to eat speghetti-O's until their intestines explode with over-processed excellence.

Come on, Mike, writer of this article. Answer the damned question!

Oh....wait....
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:31am

Re:
"Oakland is the exception here, they need metal detectors.."

No, no, no.

They need new fans....
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:49am

The security theater is already at the NFL games. They were doing pat-downs of everyone that entered my local stadium last year. This year it got even more ridiculous...it took us three hours to go four miles and get into the stadium because they had dogs checking every car that went in to the stadium. I know many will argue...but I don't feel any safer because of that. I just feel annoyed. So much so that we only stayed at the game until half-time and left because we didn't feel like sitting in traffic on the way out as well.
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Beta (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:50am

My name is Beta, and I'm prejudiced...
"I'd like to think my fellow citizens and football consumers aren't so totally devoid of intelligence that they can't see how pointless and annoying this all is."

Well, your fellow citizens have (mostly) already made their position clear at the airports, and...

Is it wrong for me to feel baffled and humiliated if football fans turn out to be the most intelligent segment of the American public?
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John Doe, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:51am

Security theater has to stop
I rode my bike to Canada last week with a coworker. We entered at Buffalo and circled the lakes and came back in at Sault St. Marie. I was asked about 2 questions by the Canadian guard and about 25 by the US guard. One of my answers did not pass muster so I was escorted to a garage bay. I am guessing when I answered yes to the question if I met anyone in Canada. We met my coworkers friend. Apparently it is unheard of for an American to be friends with a Canadian since they are such a distant, hostile nation.

I was told to empty my pockets. I told them I had a pocket knife where the guard turned sideways with is gun away from me and rested his hand on his gun while I pulled down my riding pants to dig my knife out of my jeans pocket.

They were all courteous and the search of the bikes didn't take but about 15 minutes, but still, what did they hope to find? WMDs or were they looking for an undeclared bottle of Canadian whiskey? Either way, if I am the type of person they are searching then I don't feel any safer.
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Mike C. (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:51am

Do the math...
The scary part is that they think they can keep the times the same (gates open 2 hours before the game). If you've got 75,000 fans entering through 8 gates with 5 security folks providing pat downs at each entrance, that's still a max of 3.8 seconds per fan to get everyone in before the game starts.

75,000 / 8 gates = 9375 fans per gate
9375 fans / 5 lines = 1875 fans per line
7200 seconds / 1875 fans = 3.8 seconds per fan

Yup, you can totally find hidden weapons when patted down by an untrained yellow shirted lackey in 3.8 seconds in the middle of Winter at Soldier Field...

I suspect there may end up being a few ticket refund fiascos before gate open times are adjusted to 4 hours before game time and we're expected to show up a minimum of 3 hours before kickoff.
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John Doe, 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:54am

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That way if this hypothetical super-villian strikes it will be outside of the stadium

Exactly. Besides, the crowd will never be packed in tighter than they will be standing in lines waiting to enter. Might was well make them easier targets.
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Mark Harrill (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:56am

Re:
Actually its in response to the incident in New York where a Dallas Cowboys fan took a stun gun into the game, and then used it. ( Story here .

While the NFL has backed off of this and said the security changes were not in response to this incidence, I tend to not believe in coincidences...
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Mark Harrill (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 5:57am

Re: Re:
As on old Oakland fan I take exception to this!
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Vincent Clement (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:02am

Re:
According to the article, they are patting you waist up, which means that you could attach a weapon to your leg. Are they checking each and every employee that enters the stadium? Probably not.

You do realize that they sell alcohol inside the stadium. So much for preventing fan drunkenness.

Security theatre. Period.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:03am

Re:
Theater Indeed! This would have totally stopped those damned Irish terrorists in the movie Black Sunday!
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:05am

Re: Do the math...
"I suspect there may end up being a few ticket refund fiascos before gate open times are adjusted to 4 hours before game time and we're expected to show up a minimum of 3 hours before kickoff."

Actually, this is becoming LESS likely, and that trend will continue in the future. The NFL, in a weird kind of dichtomy, is the most consumed sport in America while simultaneously seeing their attendance numbers drop. The fact is that most fans are realizing that going to a football game sucks, but watching it on your TV is AWESOME.

The only thing that's going to save this is stadiums like Dallas, where the ginormous scoreboard will update fantasy players and gamblers of the stuff they really care about. If you look at plans for new football stadiums, you'll notice one glaring concept: they are trying to mimic home-viewing AT THE STADUM.

Really crazy, but I understand it....
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J. S., 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:11am

Re: Do the math...
I work for the company that provides the security for these NFL events. We are not 'untrained'. It just doesn't take a whole lot to stand at a gate and use the back of your hands to rub the sleeves, the back and around the waist of a person. They are just checking for concealed weapons, there have been incidents. It;s not all because of 9/11. ( Granted during the games that were held this year on 9/11 they added a below the knee pat down, just for that one game. ) As for the math, believe it or not, most fans that show up early do get in before the game starts, but there are quite a bunch that show up ( or finish their tailgating ) after the game begins. It all works out, and most people are willing to work with us.

On a side note, we do have the authority to ask a person to empty their pockets if we suspect something, and if there is an issue, the fan does not get into the stadium until the issue is resolved.

It's an inconvenience for sure, but it does not seem to be a huge deal.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:19am

Re: Re: Do the math...
"It's an inconvenience for sure, but it does not seem to be a huge deal."

Perhaps not a huge deal, but what's the point? Who are you trying to protect (not you personally, the security strategists I mean)? It can't be terrorism, because you're massing people together as a target. The patdowns aren't going to actually catch someone who wants to sneak something into the game (my flask can vouch for me on this one).

So, big deal or not, what's the point?
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:22am

Re:
...then your front door.
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Anonymous American, 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:24am

Why can't we stop this?

Legally, they can put pretty much any jackass rule they want on entrance to a private venue.

Vote with your feet and deny private companies engaged in this stupid, pointless and useless behavior your money, and tell them WHY.
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:25am

Re: Re: Re: Do the math...
Job stimulus...FTW!
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Ima Fish (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:31am

"Security personnel only checked from the waist up"

They're complaining that they stopped above the waist?!
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AJ, 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:39am

I guess I can understand there may be a threat. But if they are going to put security into place, at least make it effective. Seems to me they are doing the exact same thing as DRM. They are just making it harder for the people that are following the law, which is the ultimate goal of the terrorists, fear...

IMO
Fear is the tool terrorists use to try and force a change. They don't use it against the government, they use it against the people so that the people turn on the government. Security theater is how you piss off the people. We are doing exactly what they want us to do.
Ironically enough, the government and the terrorists have the same end goal in mind. They want ultimate control over the people. The have the same methods, fear and force. The only difference is, we "think" they are different than each other... but are they really that different?
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:40am

Re: Re:
Mark,

They were already patting everyone down that entered Met Life stadium...they were doing it last year as well. They are also doing full pat-downs, not just the waist up. So they still missed the stun gun.
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Vincent Clement (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:43am

Re: Security theater has to stop
One reason they ask so many question on the US side is that the computer system is slow. They swipe everyone's passport or card at the border but didn't realize that they would need to upgrade the system. CBP agents have given me shopping tips while they wait for the computer system to respond.

Plus it's form of job security. Asking more questions means longer queues. Longer queues means you need to hire more CBP agents. It's incredible how much money Homeland Security is spending along the Canada-US border when the overwhelming majority of people just want to shop, dine or enjoy some entertainment.
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hobo, 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:48am

Re: Re: Re: Do the math...
It is all about appearances. IF something were to happen, they can say, look, we were doing something!! If nothing happens, they can say, look, we stopped everything!!

And since all expenses will be covered by passing them to consumers (plus a little extra), it's really a win-win for everyone who matters (i.e. not us).
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Gabriel Tane (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:52am

Re: Re: Re: Do the math...
"The patdowns aren't going to actually catch someone who wants to sneak something into the game (my flask can vouch for me on this one)."
Kind of reminds me of the difference between a law-abiding licensed weapon carrier and a scoff-law gun-toting thug. Those who want to smuggle something into the stadium are going to be really crafty about it. Some over-compensating thug who thinks they need to bring their 9mm penis with them everywhere they go is going to just tuck it in a bit further or strap it to their ankle.

Those who would be discouraged by a half-assed surface search probably wouldn't be bringing in anything 'illegal' in the first place... just something like a flask that they won't mind parting with if they do get caught.
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Jon Renaut (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:52am

Re: Re:
Two of my friends got a full 24 pack of Miller Lite into FedEx Field pre-9/11. That's, what, $250 if you actually pay for it inside? The revenue of the food and drink vendors inside the stadium is much, much more important than preventing terrorism.
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Gabriel Tane (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 6:55am

Re: Re: Re:
Too bad it was Miller Lite... I guess the authorities weren't worried about anyone bringing in a case of water. ;)
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John Doe, 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:01am

Re: Re: Re: Do the math...
So, big deal or not, what's the point?

This is the problem with security theater everywhere. It is the pink elephant in the room. Everyone knows its there but nobody wants to admit it or talk about it.
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Sean T Henry (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:10am

Re:
Then do not pay for there parking park on the street and if needed take the bus in, less traffic and more money in your pocket.
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Sean T Henry (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:18am

Re:
I know that the stadium is considered private but most stadiums are funded with public grants and tax dollars, I wonder if anyone will push that it is not private.
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Ben, 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:20am

The X factor
Thankfully the demographic at your average football game consists mostly of middle aged couch heroes. It shouldn't take more than a few seconds to pat down the "true" fans. My concern is what happens on ladies night. I would imagine the amount of time spent patting down the average patron will be increased by a factor of X where X is directly related to to a sliding scale (1-10?) varying on the "patters" own standards. I used to collect comic books as a kid, back when they used to put ads in the back selling various products. One "fix-all" solution inspired by a popular item in that catalogue comes to mind. X-Ray goggles! The only issue I can think of would be if NFL fans started wearing lead lined clothing, but that would obviously send off a red flag, in which case, a pat down would be justified. You say that they have tried similar techniques at airports only to offend the sensibilities of frequent flyers? There is a solution to that as well! I propose "spirit carts." Spirit carts would be mobile bars that traverse the line offering a variety of alcoholic beverages (spirits ;-) )to impatient spectators. The powers that be could institute a 3 drink minimum for uptight or generally suspicious looking people. Since profiling isn't discussed as much as the invasion of privacy imposed by your favorite airline, I think this would pass. The alcohol would massage the inhibitions of those who might otherwise complain, and, with a little luck, several of the would be stadium occupants will be incapacitated, allowing the most impatient among the line to cut ahead a few spots. They could reinforce that effect by offering a couple free drinks to the first couple hundred people in line - disguising it as a reward. Otherwise, my only idea is to put up huge televisions outside the stadium. They could hold a raffle outside to see who gets to come in while everyone else watches the game just outside the stadium. With the advancements in technology I am sure they could make it almost as good as actually being there. When you think about it a raffle is not much different than fans paying to be on a waiting list for season tickets. I'm sure they wouldn't mind. Maybe I am just being silly?
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TechnoMage (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:21am

The Terrorist have won... :(
The sad truth is that if we as a nation/society have allowed people living without running water in villages that don't have streetlights to scare us so much that we have stooped to this level of:

1) wasting time
2) wasting money
3) invasion of privacy
4) stupidity because this won't even do what is suppose to do
5) training the populace to accept invasions of privacy

THEN... They have already won.

And the ONLY way to fight back against them and to not let them to continue to win is to fight against these stupid policies. Being for human rights, preventing invasion of privacy, etc... Is not "being weak on terrorism", it is "being strong on American values".
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Anonymous, 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:24am

Went to Panthers game last week...
I had a wallet, camera, and two cellphones in my pockets. Any one of them could have been a taser. I we let right through... didn't even ask me what they were.
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Michael, 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:27am

Why?
"Why can't we stop this? Who are the NFL playing to with this nonsense? I'd like to think my fellow citizens and football consumers aren't so totally devoid of intelligence that they can't see how pointless and annoying this all is."

Uh, Timothy, old man, they can do it because you keep buying tickets and letting them do it. If you feel that strongly, don't buy the ticket. Otherwise, join the sheep, because you ARE one.
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The eejit (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:44am

Re:
Only if it's in front of Ann Summers.
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Scooters (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:45am

NFL stands for...
"Not For Long" given how this measure will surely piss off fans as to not buy tickets, watch games on television, and spend billions on overpriced t-shirts.

I couldn't keep a straight face as I typed this.

If there's anything I've learned in life, it's that the NFL can do whatever the hell it wants and NO ONE will care.

Enjoy the pat downs, fans. You certainly deserve them.
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The Incoherent One (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:47am

Re: Re: Re:
Truth hurts. Anytime a SWAT team gets called out just because the Raiders are in town playing a game should be the first indicator that there is a problem.
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The Incoherent One (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 7:50am

Re:
I think it would be more acceptable if they had separate Men and women's lines where the men were all patted down by hot 20 year olds, and we get some Chippendale dancers for the ladies. I think you would see objection to the searches go down, and willingness to succumb go up.
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:14am

Re: Re:
but not the runningback in the Last Boyscout
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:18am

Re:
"we only stayed at the game until half-time and left because we didn't feel like sitting in traffic on the way out as well."

Lions fans?
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sumquy (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:19am

I carry a 1967 Buick Skylark in my pants at all times. just in case.
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:23am

Re: Re: Do the math...
hey look the players are right there in front of us. Yeah but look at that giant tv & it has HD! People don't look as good in real life as the do in HD!
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Vincent Clement (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:25am

Re: NFL stands for...
They have been patting down people at some stadiums for over a year and it hasn't hurt ticket sales one bit. Americans have become wimps all in the name of safety and security.
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:26am

Re: Re: Do the math...
"It just doesn't take a whole lot to stand at a gate and use the back of your hands to rub the sleeves, the back and around the waist of a person.""On a side note, we do have the authority to ask a person to empty their pockets if we suspect something, and if there is an issue, the fan does not get into the stadium until the issue is resolved."

So DH was correct, any kind of weapon that can be strapped or holstered to the leg is A-OK? Ill have to slide a pipebomb down there next to my joints, flask and 6 pack for the next game Vs the packers.
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DOlz (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:30am

Re:
If they check for hernias while they're at it they can call themselves doctors also.
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DOlz (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:36am

Re: Security theater has to stop
I was amazed and disgusted when we started requiring passports to go to and from Canada. All though it does make sense, seeing as how with a three thousand mile border terrorist would only use approved checkpoints.
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:42am

Re: Went to Panthers game last week...
Two cellphones? Terrorist! http://www.met.police.uk/so/at_hotline.htm
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:45am

Re: Re: NFL stands for...
"They have been patting down people at some stadiums for over a year and it hasn't hurt ticket sales one bit."

While this security nonsense may not be the impetus for it, you should note that NFL attendance IS falling, and this very article got a fair amount of play on WSCR, the biggest sports station in Chicago, which is a big market. It's getting attention....
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Dan_Stephans (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:48am

Standard at the Metrodome
We've been subjected to this in Minneapolis since 2001 at the HHH Metrodome. There are folks I know that regularly smuggle a six pack of beer in -- if they can do that I'm certain they could get something nefarious through.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 8:53am

Re: Re: Re: NFL stands for...
Couldn't the drop in attendance also be related to people not being able to afford to buy a ticket?

What's the unemployment rate in Chicago?
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:15am

Re: Re:
Helmet, I am asking Mike. I know Tim's view (I read the article). I want to know if Mike thinks all security is theater.
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bjupton (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:20am

Re:
The Skylark was, IIRC, their 'compact' car.

My dad still has a '64. 'Compact'
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Travis, 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:24am

Re: My name is Beta, and I'm prejudiced...
Maybe not most intelligent, but they will certainly be the most vocal.
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:27am

Re: Re: Re:
oooh nice rebound
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:27am

Re: Re: Re: Re: NFL stands for...
"Couldn't the drop in attendance also be related to people not being able to afford to buy a ticket?"

Could be, but unlikely. I say that because all the other methods for measuring interest are up...WAY up. That includes measurements requiring payment, like DirectTV and other cable packages, streaming through NFL.com, swag purchased, paid fantasy football services, and gambling wagers.

If people are not going to the game but spending even MORE money elsewhere, it's not likely to be a function of the economy....
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Jon Renaut (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:29am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
It IS important to stay hydrated.
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:38am

Re: Re: Re: Re: NFL stands for...
every Bears game is sold out, or close enough it makes no difference. And i know the waiting list for season tickets is about 49 million people long

I'm not sure where DH is getting this info, looks like the majority of teams had no problem selling out last year:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2010
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:43am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NFL stands for...
A couple of things to consider. First, for factual sporting information, throw ESPN out of the window. They're a marketing company, not a journalism company, and they have a vested interest in the NFL both doing well and being percieved to be doing well.

Second, ticket sales /= attendance. See the Cubs this year as an example. Most games were sold out, but attendance was WAAAAY down, killing in-stadium revenue.

Third, attendance IS down at NFL games and has been for the past few years: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-7320368
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Anonymous American, 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:52am

Re: Re:
That line of thinking makes anyone who accepts unemployment a public employee, too. I think it's a non-starter.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:07am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NFL stands for...
Articles from this year show that 2010 had .5% less attendance than last year and only 4.5% less than their record year(2007)

I found a few articles saying this will be their rebound year:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/09/nfl-expects-attendance-to-rebound -after-3-years-of-falling-numbers/1
http://playerpress.com/articles/14845-nfl-expects-attendance-to -rise-despite-recession

they also say ticket prices have been going up and TV viewership is up a shit-ton. So yeah they have taken a slight dip in attendance since the start of the recession which would have been right around the end of the 2007 season. While 5% of 17 million(~total attendees a year) is a lot of people and in-stadium revenue I don't think its enough to hurt the teams pocketbooks and it seems to be people saving a buck more than voting with their wallets (TV viewership has been rising in proportion[i think, i dont have a graph or anything] to attendance).

Maybe Cub fans should show up to games they buy tickets for, or maybe the Cubs should stop being so hopeless they arnt worth a ride on the metra for tickets I already bought :). Just being snarky i understand your point attendance=/=sales
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Dark Helmet (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:17am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NFL stands for...
On the other hand....TECHDIRT BEARS GAME PARTY AT THE CUBBY BEAR THIS WEEKEND!!!
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:23am

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But is all security theater? If I based my life on Techdirt, it would seem that any screening is a total waste of time, just theater.

I was hoping Mike would grace us with an appearance in this thread, if for no other reason to issue a demeaning insult towards those who dare question him.
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Chosen Reject (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:41am

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Plus you get to save money on not having to buy a ticket. Terrorist bonus points.
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A Dan (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:42am

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Speaking of which, I can spare the cash to buy a t-shirt now, but none are available. How are we supposed to identify each other without t-shirts?
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Chosen Reject (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:48am

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It actually doesn't terribly surprise me that terrorists would use the approved checkpoints. Let's not forget that all the guys on the 9/11 flights were here perfectly legally.
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Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:49am

*snerk*
"I could carry a 1967 Buick Skylark in my pants and they'd never feel it."

OK, that mental picture made me actually laugh out loud. Quite literally. I had to make an effort to keep from disturbing the class going on in the next room.

Thanks for the comic relief.

For anybody too young to remember... in 1967 cars were huge by today's standards. I think my 2005 Focus could fit into the glove box of a '67 Skylark, and there would still be room for a pair of gloves.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/206663,9801/1967-Buick-Skylark_photo.aspx
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Vincent Clement (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 10:55am

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The Secret Service didn't stop Hinkley from shooting Reagan. CBP hasn't stopped the flow of illegal immigrants. The DEA hasn't stopped the flow of drugs. Police don't prevent murders. Mall cops and house alarms don't stop theft.
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Wolfy, 21 Sep 2011 @ 11:12am

For the reader who doesn't believe in coincidences...
"... once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action." Ian Fleming
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HothMonster, 21 Sep 2011 @ 11:14am

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ill be drunk on the southside, but you all are free to join us. I'd even buy you a shot

http://www.yelp.com/biz/broukals-food-and-spirit-blue-island
name recently changed to PubTime(really creative I know)
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 11:40am

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Yet because it is hard to prove something that didn't happen, there is no simple way to show what the "theater" did stop, because... they never happened.

Proving something that didn't happen as a result of something else is pretty damn hard, don't you think? I think that it is one of those wonderful logical traps that is often used on Techdirt to justify all sorts of shit.
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CommonSense (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 11:59am

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Been a while since you went to an NFL game huh? It's $10 beers and $8 hot dogs now....gotta pay for the security somehow.
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NFL isn't most consumed sport in America, 21 Sep 2011 @ 1:16pm

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The NFL, in a weird kind of dichtomy, is the most consumed sport in America.

The Indy 500 has 500K spectators, and that is just one race. Of course, you may not consider someone taking 4 left turns for 500 miles a sport, which could be valid.
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Jordan (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 1:52pm

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It wasn't a Skylark in your pants. It was a 1963 Pontiac Tempest. Didn't you see the documentary about that. Sheesh.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Sep 2011 @ 2:39pm

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Sorry, but Bears attendance remains sold out for every game, with long waiting lists for season tickets, despite massive price increases. The high prices keep me away these days. Just can't afford it. They've been doing patdowns at solder field for many years. Never stopped me from bringing in my flask, when I was still going to games.
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DOlz (profile), 21 Sep 2011 @ 9:45pm

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That's kind of the point. If a terrorist has a clean identity the checkpoint is not going to stop them. If they don't or they want to bring in contraband they can cross the border somewhere along the 99% the checkpoints don't cover.

All this is doing is interfering with trade and tourism between the US and Canada without making us one bit safer.
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CommonSense (profile), 22 Sep 2011 @ 8:57am

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Right, so think of it this way:

If you have security, and it doesn't stop something, so you ramp up security and it still doesn't stop that something, then the ramped up security is all theater.

That's the point here, a certain level does scare away some would-be criminals, but there is almost no stopping someone who's really got their heart set on causing problems.
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Jeff Rife, 22 Sep 2011 @ 12:11pm

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A friend of mine once actually fit a car in the back of his Rambler station wagon. He had to lay down the back seat, though.

Seriously, it was a small car, and they had to remove the wheels, but it fit.
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Wow, you're clueless., 26 Sep 2011 @ 4:48pm

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Wow, you have absolutely no idea what the true numbers are in this equation. I do, and you're an idiot. When is the last time you went to a game and people were lined up at the gates 2 hours prior to kickoff? It doesn't take that long to get everyone in. The problem is that everyone waits in the parking lot cuddling their booze until 20 minutes before the game. You think stadiums don't run these numbers and try to find the best possible way to operate?

And by the way, there's a reason you all this this is security theater. If you knew the stuff that gets discovered, you wouldn't go.
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