ESPN Affiliate Delays Podcasts; Announcer Rips Into His Bosses For Cluelessness
from the so-shortsighted dept
Ah, the shortsightedness of old school entertainment companies knows no bounds apparently. The latest isNot surprisingly, the on air talent seems to get this a lot more than the folks making the decisions. While the station insisted that star radio host Tony Kornheiser "understands" why ESPN 980 is doing this, and isn't upset about it, listeners to Kornheiser's show apparently sensed his views were a bit different. As noted by Dan Steinberg:
“The policy is gonna kill the show,” [Kornheiser] said, with typical subtlety and restraint. “It’s simply going to kill the show....That is the problem. You’re listening to this a day late. That’s the solution around here, the solution to getting more people listening live. And by the way, there’s a great glee with which I am told that my ratings are bad. There’s a great glee. The people around here seem to think that this is charming, and that if I only did what they wanted, everything would be right in the world.He seems to get it a lot more than the people who are paid to get it.
“But it doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t work that way, because of the way audio is delivered to America. It’s delivered on demand. And if when you demand it you can’t get it, you’re not going to listen to it.
“Here’s what’s going to happen in the next five or 10 years, boys and girls. There’s not gonna be football on television any more. It’s all gonna be in your computer. That’s the way it’s gonna work. It’ll be brought to you by people like Google, brought to you by people who are search engine people, and I know nothing about this. There’s no way to make any money any more doing it the old way. The old way is not just old, much like me — it is dead.
“That’s the old way. People don’t want that any more. They’re not going to sit around and wait for things....The people who run radio stations, they’re apparently not adapting to the new culture and don’t truly understand how it works and what people want… Management believes differently than I believe. I still do the show. I’m not running away from the show. I just wish it were more accessible, quicker, to more people.”
Update: Aha. Turns out that this was the local station, ESPN 980 -- who merely licenses the ESPN name -- who made this decision. And, it appears that ESPN itself makes it easier to get access to the show. Blame goes to the local radio station.
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A lot of people still beleive this stuff is about content and its not. They arent interested in whether or not the content is good or not, theyre interested in whether its gets lost of listeners that they can say are listening in order to sell ads.
Figure out a way to track podcast listeners, then make it so they cant FF through the ads and they will be included in the metric and be available again.
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http://www.youtube.com/shows/sports?c_fl=h_e&l=en&pt=g&st=p&p=1
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How accurate are ratings anyways?
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Also you can change the ads on demand if you wanted too, if you reached a 100 downloads that would cover what some advertiser bought and they could post another ad in place for the next 100, you can even use that by region.
Now the great risk for that is encryptions and proxies that will become the de facto which will make next to impossible to know where people are, but you can still count the downloads, but that may not be a problem since smartphones exploded on the market and are pocket computers, those you can count and have even more information.
https://market.android.com/search?q=sports+news&so=1&c=apps
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https://market.android.com/search?q=sports+podcasts&so=1&c=apps
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You say this in a world where Google exists?
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Honest question: how do we determine that number with traditional radio? Honestly, I can't imagine how they come up with that number without some massive amount of guesswork.
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Nielsen uses the diary approach apparently.
Arbitron uses the Portable People Meter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audience_m easurement
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More scary is the patents people are filling on those things.
* Dynamic insertion of targeted sponsored video messages into Internet multimedia broadcasts
* BILLING ADJUSTMENT SYSTEM FOR MULTIMEDIA CONTENT
(is this metered TV, radio, etc?)
* Home movies
* Transmitting caller ID within a digital stream
* Consolidating video-on-demand (VOD) services with multi-room personal video recording (MR-PVR) services
(Will they start charging per room?)
* On demand system and method using dynamic broadcast scheduling
* System and method for miniguide implementation
* Digital TV broadcast signal receiving system and outdoor appliance used therein
* Live broadcast interview conducted between studio booth and interviewer at remote location
* INTERACTIVE MUSIC AND VIDEO DELIVERY METHOD AND SYSTEM
* Interactive live events
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It's the Daniel Snyder owned ESPN 980 that delays the podcast. They only have a contract to use the ESPN name and carry some shows. The Kornheiser show is wholly supported by the local ESPN 980 station. They're the ones that are delaying the podcast.
ESPN, the Disney owned company, actually puts out a slightly abbreviated version of the podcast a couple of hours after it airs. It takes out all of the sponsor talk and the music that plays.
And there are unofficial versions of the show that pop up a little after the show airs. I actually made one for a few weeks that was literally up 15 minutes after the show was on, sans ads. I just didn't feel like putting in the effort any more.
While your posts are often long, could you at least spend a little time researching them on occasion? You'd come off as far less of an asshat if you did so.
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September 12, 2008
Spanish Radio Assoc. Responds to Concerns About PPM at NY Council Meeting
http://newsblaze.com/story/20080912102505zzzz.nb/topstory.html
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ESPN is worried about ratings, but not because of ads. It's trying to prop the ratings up so they can collect more money from the affiliates that syndicate the show. Each affiliate runs its own local ads in addition to whatever ads are inserted nationally. Because of this, the various affiliates can't insert their ads in the podcast.
Sounds like an opportunity for someone at ESPN to generate more revenue by inserting a completely different set of ads into the podcast...
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Color me not surprised
This is a release window, pure and simple. Get your sports information from a place without a stake in the game, such as your local paper, blog, or radio show....
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It will only change when there is the proper ability to sell access online.
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a set up?
Are we really to believe that a company of ESPN's size would willingly keep on a DJ who openly slags off the bosses?
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Of course, that might be because I stopped watching sports about five years ago because it conflicted with my schedule too much.
Don't even miss it anymore. Don't care who's playing. Don't care who won or lost.
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No, "Spaceboy", it's the advertising system that's failing.
Kornheiser says: "There’s no way to make any money any more doing it the old way. The old way is not just old, much like me — it is dead."
I'm pretty sure he means advertising income is drying up. He wouldn't likely say so directly because of a general taboo in talking about that, but his words do fit my thesis.
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Re: No, "Spaceboy", it's the advertising system that's failing.
Is that what you kids call homework these days?
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American Horror Story
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9/30 episode of Tony Kornheiser show.
-They stopped paying guests and only do about 160 shows/year now.
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When talking about obsolete methods of content distribution on radio/cable/whatever, it's not just that one single isolated thing has become obsolete, but rather that a network of things has become obsolete. Backwards-thinking gatekeepers think "we can't ditch A because B and C and D all rely on it".
If it were only a single thing that had become obsolete, like a distribution medium, it could be ditched and replaced in the current model of doing things, but the whole network of local affiliates and advertising and cable network deals and release windows and region restrictions all rely on each other so heavily that it's impossible to get rid of any one thing in the model without getting rid of it all.
If, for example, someone wants to put their TV show on the internet, they either have to go to absurd efforts to re-implement all the old barriers, like region restrictions and regional advertising for affiliates so that they can keep those things involved in the model, and end up with such a shoddy and artificially limited product that people won't care to buy, or they have to ditch *all* of those things and really develop something new.
The people in the media business who make these decisions are largely just not comfortable with making such a leap into a new way of doing things, and it manifests in silly ways like this nonsense about delaying a podcast.
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Think about how many ads they would sell if the host left to do his own thing.
Someone really needs a look at how much the internet disrupts their business models.
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I have no anti-corporate narrative. I have a pro-corporate narrative. I have an anti-stupid decision narrative.
It's the Daniel Snyder owned ESPN 980 that delays the podcast. They only have a contract to use the ESPN name and carry some shows. The Kornheiser show is wholly supported by the local ESPN 980 station. They're the ones that are delaying the podcast.
See, now that's useful info, the kind of useful info we expect people in the comments to provide, and thus we've updated the post with that info.
ESPN, the Disney owned company, actually puts out a slightly abbreviated version of the podcast a couple of hours after it airs. It takes out all of the sponsor talk and the music that plays.
Again, useful info. Post updated.
While your posts are often long, could you at least spend a little time researching them on occasion? You'd come off as far less of an asshat if you did so.
I do spend a fair amount of time researching them, but sometimes we get stuff wrong and sometimes things aren't clear. And that's when we expect people to come into the comments and provide additional info. This is a discussion site. And, you'd come off as far less of an asshat if you pointed out the relevant facts without turning it into an attack on me. Just saying.
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They have no geo-restrictions, the content is free and advertisement is growing on the show.
Also there are places like Revision 3, Youtube, Vimeo etc.
They are not competenting anymore with "pirates" they are competing now with honest to God original content producers and if they insist on those windows and old arrangements they will be killed.
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