ICANN Takes Over Time Zone Database; Dares Astrolabe To Sue
from the relax,-we've-got-it dept
You probably heard a few weeks ago about how an astrology software company, Astrolabe, claimed it now controlled the copyright for the historical time zone database that nearly every Linux and Unix system uses to set clocks to local time... and was suing the two individuals who maintain the database. Of course, plenty of people have pointed out that you can't copyright facts, but facing a lawsuit is no fun, no matter how you look at it.Late last week, however, ICANN announced that it was taking over the time zone database and would continue to maintain it. It also wasted no time effectively daring Astrolabe to sue it:
"We are aware of the lawsuit," [Kim Davies, a technical manager at ICANN] said. "We believe it's important to continue the operation of the database. We'll deal with any legal matters as they arise."In other words: Hey Astrolabe, try suing us, because we're ready for you.
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Filed Under: copyright, facts, lawsuits, time zone
Companies: astrolabe, icann
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My first thought ...
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Second thought...
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And to quote Obama on this awesome taunt: Yes, ICANN!
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I bet Astrolabe is asking
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Re: I bet Astrolabe is asking
Note: I did press funny on your punny
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Maybe update this to something a tad more technical than email:
"current time zone information, which comes from tips sent by volunteers through an email list."
maybe a blog like this where they could connect with fans by always being sold out of T-shirts :)
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labe!
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I see your stock falling... falling...
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What facts are we talking about?
So I'm glad ICANN is taking some action, I don't think anyone's trying to copyright any facts here. If I'm wrong, please point it out so I can be a little smarter next time.
Peace,
Rob:-]
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Re: What facts are we talking about?
Names are not facts as they are an invention for human convenience. When you were born instead of giving you a number based on your birth order (an actual fact, but hard to track) you were given a name. And most likely your name is Robert so Rob is not exactly correct either.
Does that mean I can sue you for being named Rob since it is not a fact?
Can you sue somebody else for using the name Rob or Robert?
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Re: What facts are we talking about?
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Re: What facts are we talking about?
The database contains facts like "The Australia/Canberra timezone is offset +10 hours from UTC, except in the summer months when it is offset +11".
Governments around the world have a nasty habit of repartioning their time zones and fiddling with the Daylight Saving rules. We need a database to keep track of all those rules and the changes to them, so that we can work with dates and times in software.
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Re: What facts are we talking about?
Please see Feist Publications v Rural Telephone Service (1991).
In part III of that opinion, Justice O'Connor makes clear that “the names, towns, and telephone numbers of 1,309 of Rural's subscribers” are “uncopyrightable facts”.
In the copyright context, the word “fact” may approach something of a term-of-art. I hesitate to say that it does, but telephone numbers, in particular, are invented “facts”. Invented by the telephone company: Rural Telephone Company.
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Re: What facts are we talking about?
Veeck v SBCI (5th Cir., 2002)
The Astrolabe v Olson case is in the First Circuit, so the Fifth Circuit's opinion in Veeck is merely pursuasive for that case.
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Re: What facts are we talking about?
Note that Astrolabe v Olson et al is in the District of Massachusetts. A case from that district is Skinder-Strauss v Massachusetts Continuing Legal Education (D.Mass., 1995), where the court opined that, in the context of copyright, information about time zones was so-called “common property.”
Emphasis on “a national map including time zones”.
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No, they cannot. They do not have that power.
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That should just about do it.
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In any case, well played ICANN! Astrolab^Hme, your move!
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It has a negative impact on everything just look at it.
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I wonder.....
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