Some Data On How Much The Big Media Firms Are Donating To SOPA/PIPA Sponsors
from the money-in-politics-explains-all dept
The Sunlight Foundation decided to take a look at donations from big media companies to politicians supporting SOPA and PIPA... and, not surprisingly, they found there's lots of money there. Of course, to be fair, I would imagine the reverse is becoming true as well: those opposed to the bills have and will be getting donations from people who, you know, actually like the internet. Some will call it corruption, but it seems more like a systemic problem, and it's not clear which came first -- support for certain types of bills... or donations. But once the process starts, it's hard to get out of that cycle. Those who have received big donations from certain industries want that to continue. And, of course, as Lessig is fond of pointing out these days, part of the game is to be a politician "on the fence" so you can raise money from both sides on a controversial issue.Either way, what's clear is that big media firms have spread their money around pretty far and wide:
Among the 25 SOPA cosponsors from both sides of the aisle, here's a breakdown of which legislators have brought in donations from big media in TV, music and movies during their careers in Congress.So how do we get out of this cycle? You get continued and effective rent seeking when politicians feel indebted to a few big companies with powerful lobbying arms. It's pretty clear that the American public doesn't like it. So when and how does it stop?The nearly 40 cosponsors of the Protect IP Act, SOPA's partner legislation in the Senate, have received more than $13.5 million from the TV, music and movies industry since entering Congress. Here's a rundown:
- Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., $1,727,156. His southern district border is Hollywood Blvd. and he was the beneficiary at a fundraiser earlier this month hosted by two lobbyists at a firm that represents the National Broadcasting Association.
- Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., $516,400
- Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., $488,731
- Rep. Mary Bono Mack, R-Calif., $488,636
- Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Tex., $392,995 (sponsor)
- Rep. Robert Goodlatte, R-VA, $316,686
- Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., $261,700
- Rep. Lee Terry, R-Nev., $248,168
- Rep. John Barrow, D-GA, $210,900
- Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., $204,199
- Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., $133,023
- Rep. Melvin Watt, D-N.C., $130,100
- Rep. John Carter, R-Tex., $75,850
- Rep. Karen Bass, D-Calif., $64,648
- Rep. Steve Scalise, R-LA, $54,000
- Rep. William Owens, D-N.Y., $42,850
- Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Fla., $30,000
- Rep. Thomas Marino, R-Penn., $21,300
- Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., $1,996,470
- Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., $1,465,160
- Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., $1,295,718
- Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., $899,366 (sponsor)
- Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., $890,668
- Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., $747,491
- Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mont., $503,291
- Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., $493,069
- Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, $492,407
- Sen. Robert Menéndez, D-N.J., $445,575
- Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., $430,500
- Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., $368,733
- Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., $365,589
- Sen. Robert Casey, D-Penn., $343,225
- Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., $312,320
- Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., $297,771
- Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, $291,621
- Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, $284,225
- Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., $254,162
- Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., $237,084
- Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., $230,569
- Sen. Benjamin Cardin, D-Md., $218,539
- Sen. Tom Udall, D-N.M., - $217,847
- Sen. Kay Hagan, D-N.C., - $171,790
- Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., $158,066
- Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., $94,450
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So when and how does it stop?
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Payment processing
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Took about 100 years....
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Why is this legal?
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If you give a candidate $50K, it is going to be pretty easy to indicate where it came from.
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They're supposedly unconnected, but just think of getting thousands of dollars of support from someone would affect how much you listen to them.
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Except this is just exponentially higher monetary support than letting you live in the basement.
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1
: money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust
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: something that serves to induce or influence
both the transitive and intransitive verbs are simply the application of the bribe
2lobby verb
lob·bied lob·by·ing
Definition of LOBBY
intransitive verb
: to conduct activities aimed at influencing public officials and especially members of a legislative body on legislation
transitive verb
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: to promote (as a project) or secure the passage of (as legislation) by influencing public officials
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: to attempt to influence or sway (as a public official) toward a desired action
So according to Merriam-Webster, the only real difference between the two is that one is specific to legislation and public officials. I guess bribery is wrong because it works on anyone in a position of trust, not just lawmakers.
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...So that's how the greedy little shits get away with it! Make the lawmakers so untrustworthy that you have to go to the megacorps just to get any traction on influence!
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How: armed revolt
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Pfffffttt!
Really? Over some easily-circumvented rules that only affect, after all lets admit, a virtual community?
For that, you wish to stage an armed revolt? Bullets and guns?
You're joking, or psychotic. Choose one.
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Only one side?
However the "other side" I'd like to see is what the contributions are from big media to the neutrals and anti-SOPA/PIPA politicians. A lot of the amounts in the list above are fairly flat (especially around 250k for PIPA support). Is it just that there's a fairly blanket contribution of around 250k from big media?
One way to show this could be to show the average big media contribution to a politician in each house. Does anyone know that?
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http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cid=n00007724&type=I &newmem=N
His biggest contributor is Nike at only $42k. He gets almost as much from local businesses like Lithia Motors and local law firms as he does from big corporations (Nike, Intel, Blue Cross/Blue Shield being the most notable).
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Remove the opportunity for bribery
Oh and any person wanting to be a member of the parliament would need to sell all goods and chattels that they or their respective spouse or partners have (no opportunity to give anything into the safe keeping of another person) and put this into the government treasury with a minimum wage being given to them and living in the local public housing and using public transport. As well ensure that no accruing benefits arising from extra years of "service".
This would sort out the wolves from the pack - maybe.
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Re: Remove the opportunity for bribery
You cannot donate directly to any politician/party - you can however donate to a political support fund. At the same time you register where you wish to place your support.
The total pot of money donated then gets divided up in proportion to the number of registered supporters each politician/party has.
That way you can donate as much as you like - but your influence is limited the same way your vote is limited.
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It's a rather bizarre argument when you consider that the current system is most likely going to lead to a revolt.
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First though you need some sort of a slogan regarding the desired link between taxation and representation. Any ideas?
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All in all, we have the ability to put them under a microscope, and keep them there.
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What we need is a ranked voting system. Currently, you either vote Democrat or Republican because you're either brainwashed to a particular ideology or you're voting for the lesser of two evils, or you're voting for an independent as a symbolic but ultimately futile gesture.
People need to be able to vote without being scared that they're wasting their time. That would get more people to vote. That would also get more independent politicians to run and get elected.
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Step 2. The winner betrays the people who elected him and writes laws that benefit you at the expense of everyone else.
Step 3. Give the former winner a job with you when he gets voted out of office.
We have judges that are former lobbyists giving rulings on laws that they helped push through.
If we protest this situation, the media calls us "terrorists" and police in riot gear pepper spray us. Congress is trying to pass legislation that would instead allow the military to detain us indefinitely.
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If that does not happen I will march on Washington if others will.I no longer care if I get chucked in a jail.Been there before and at least it is warm and I get 3 meals a day.What else can you do ?
The Government Officials do not care about us for the most part.Both of the Parties are Corrupt.Start Voting Independent maybe ?
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Citizens United didn't change how much a politician can received in campaign contributions. It simply said that the government was not allowed to prohibit speech by an organization (corporations included) merely because that speech was political in nature. It didn't say money was speech, it said speech was speech.
I seriously wish people would read about the case before they go off on it because of what they heard someone say it was about.
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Revenge for Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company.
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Maybe a per year/term amount would be a little more informative since some of them must have been there more than one term.
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Conflict of Interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_disqualification
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Sadly impractical, IMO. Some of these corporations just spread the money around evenly in order to "cover all the bases". If every rep with a financial interest recused, they might not be able to constitute a quorum to vote at all.
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And would that be a bad thing? No laws passed, as opposed to bad laws passed.
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Cheap and stupid
I had hoped that if our government is being purchased, at least it would be valuable.
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$17,185,892 =
859,294 meals at $20 a plate
245,512 trips to the gas station at $3.50 gallon regular gasoline (20gal purchase)
179,019 months of home electricity at $96 (920kwh)
21,482 months of rent at $800
24,551 months of groceries for a family of 4 at $700
17,680 months of daycare service for young children at $972
687 Four-door sedans at $25,000
603 Semesters of private non-profit college tuition at $28,500
114 Fully paid 3-bedroom, 2-bath homes at $150,000
Averages via quick Google search.
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68,743,578 from a quarter machine.
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Instead of passing laws in return for donations, legislators might start passing laws in return for high-paying private sector jobs once their term is up.
We already see this revolving door effect where public figures land high-paying private jobs after propping up certain industries, and vice-versa - we see those same industries producing people in public positions.
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The supposed purpose of the IP economy is to drive the real economy. You can't eat IP so if IP is all we have everyone will die of starvation!
There is no moral justification for IP. People who believe there is are the sad victims of 300 years of brainwashing by vested interests.
If you read the history of the subject you will find that IP has it's origins in royal patronage, intended to buy loyalty. In fact if you look at recent developments you will see that little has changed on that score!
Copyright and patents were originally justified in both Britain and America on the pretext that they would benefit the common good by encouraging creation of new work. However studies of the reality of the situation have consistently shown that this is false: Read and learn:
There are plenty of ways for creators to be incentivised and paid without a post creation monopoly. Studies of both copyright and patent have shown that such a monopoly is not only unnecessary - it is counter productive. All it does is to encourage corruption and attract greedy profiteers.
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Sure, we all want artists to make money. They make stuff which makes the world better. So, I wonder, why do RIAA executives make multi-million dollar salaries?
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/riaa-weighs-in-on-flap-over-executive-sala ries-1005198182.story
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Which won't stop piracy either.
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Do you have some data that you're basing that statement on? I could just as easily say the US is more and more a bacon economy and I'd have as much behind my assertion as you do yours.
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WTG - the smear machine is working overtime again!
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Our country bought and paid for.
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Our 'bribery' is their 'lobbying'...
It makes us feel so much better to label the same action by a different word and pretend that the other person is 'bad' for doing the exact same thing we are (but we called it something 'different' so that makes us 'right' and 'better')....
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You're making this way too easy for the people like me, the OCD crowd to expose that very thing, with pretty pictures too.
But this is why people invented Maplight, where you can look at that very thing in minute detail.
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No Surprise there then
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Is there any indication when pipa will be voted on?
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Can someone explain Lessig's efforts?
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SOPA/PIPA Sponsors
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Yep, it's being sold a piece at a time to various corporations.
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Then maybe we need reps who aren't being bought and paid for, like puppets.
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Republic Lost
Actually, I have enjoyed all of his books. Well, I'm not sure I *enjoy* Republic Lost.
*sigh*
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Basically, the returns on favorable legislation are phenomenal. For every $1 spent on legislation, the company gains $220 in tax savings. A 22,000% return. Why wouldn't you want to do it? This is the problem that Larry Lessig is noting that we have to fight. Everyone wants to fight the system, but getting to the root of the problem is to fight the corruption that allows this in the first place.
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Their Right
Also Rep. Thomas Marino, is going to feel cheap when he sees what the 24 people above him on the list got.
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What VOID's main purpose is to have a fresh change in the politics every few years. This can't happen with fresh faces. What will you do with the lobbyists or members that bribe the new batch of politicians? While voting out incumbents works on a small level, the better result is to change the entire political system.
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When will it stop?
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Money Trail
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3261/money
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D, CA-14] $74,909
Rep. Howard Berman [D, CA-28] $55,339
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D, CA-16] $52,359
Rep. Eric Cantor [R, VA-7] $48,950
Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14] $43,033
Rep. Jerry McNerney [D, CA-11] $42,700
Rep. Dave Reichert [R, WA-8] $42,200
Rep. Darrell Issa [R, CA-49] $33,524
Rep. James Clyburn [D, SC-6] $32,543
Rep. Robert Goodlatte [R, VA-6] $29,519
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA] $144,673
Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] $132,934
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA] $130,224
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $115,245
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY] $95,045
Sen. Patrick Leahy [D, VT] $78,670
Sen. Scott Brown [R, MA] $72,106
Sen. Ron Wyden [D, OR] $68,550
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO] $59,650
Sen. Robert Portman [R, OH] $48,150
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PIPA
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s968/money
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO] $1,346,579
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA] $402,425
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] $295,640
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D, NY] $284,849
Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] $254,975
Sen. Patty Murray [D, WA] $229,824
Sen. Chris Coons [D, DE] $209,400
Sen. Richard Blumenthal [D, CT] $176,399
Sen. Richard Shelby [R, AL] $159,550
Sen. Ron Wyden [D, OR] $127,450
Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23] $302,109
Rep. Chellie Pingree [D, ME-1] $204,150
Rep. Gary Peters [D, MI-9] $202,770
Rep. Niki Tsongas [D, MA-5] $141,100
Rep. James Himes [D, CT-4] $140,014
Rep. Kurt Schrader [D, OR-5] $106,500
Rep. Jerry McNerney [D, CA-11] $92,560
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords [D, AZ-8] $84,692
Rep. Barney Frank [D, MA-4] $82,100
Rep. Martin Heinrich [D, NM-1] $79,313
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How NOT to stop it
Broadly, this stops when federal power is diminished. The more centralized government power is, the better lobbying looks as an investment, and the more widespread cronyism and corruption becomes. Put another way, if the power is not there to buy, corporations won't be looking to buy the power. And I'll guarantee one thing: buying the legislature in all 50 states will be a lot more costly than buying a few federal politicians, with a lot lower return. And that doesn't even consider items that will be kicked all the way down the the county or local level.
It's mind-boggling that so many people look at issues like this and say, "More regulations!" It's regulations that got us here in the first place. How about we leave criminal and civil enforcement up the states, as was originally intended, and the power would not be so easily up for grabs by the highest bidders.
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Politicians and Big Money
Right on!
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