Court Dismisses Puerto 80 Rojadirecta Case (For Now)... But Doesn't Give Back The Domain
from the um,-what dept
As we're still discussing the mess from the Dajaz1 censorship, in the other big case involving domain censorship, we've got another troubling situation.Yesterday was the latest hearing in the forfeiture case involving Rojadirecta (Puerto 80), and the end result was that -- believe it or not -- the case was dismissed (pdf). The ruling doesn't say much -- basically says the reasons were stated during the oral arguments, and there's no transcript yet. However, the basics are that it was dismissed on a technicality (over a failure to plead the willfulness, which is necessary for criminal infringement), and the government has 30 days to amend and refile its complaint -- which is quite likely. While having the case dismissed sounds like a big deal, this seems more like a temporary pause, rather than anything meaningful at this point (unlike the Dajaz1 situation).
But here's the weird thing: technically, because of the dismissal, there's no forfeiture case going on, and the seizure time period has long expired. So... um... why does the government still have the domains in question? There's no ongoing case, and even if the government intends to refile, it's hard to see how it has a right to hang onto the domains in the meantime. But... it is. It seems like both Dajaz1 and Puerto 80 should be celebrating the returns of their domains today, but only one is....
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Silence
If u think about it, Wikileaks has been cut out of payments with no process for over 300 days now (and Assange is locked without any charge for almost the same period even though it's not an US issue, not directly at least).
So it seems due process is facing extinction around the globe. Sad. Welcome back to Middle Ages.
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Not your invented "domain censorship", but actual piracy.
Exactly, except you're being facetious, while it's actually occurring. By continuing to conflate "censorship" with the actual fact that Puerto80 was involved at least on the surface in infringement (though you take a legalistic view that wasn't), you lose all reasonable agreement. As may be your purpose: controversy drives page views, right?
Similarly, some of you fanboys seem to think that my disagreeing with Mike about his notions means that I'm for censorship. Can't unscramble your will mis-take, nor your black-and-white, you rabid ankle-biter attack-on-sight yapping, but you're not actually adding to your numbers with these tactics.
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Ergo, ootb will never truly listen, engage in a dialogue, or modify his views, even slightly.
I wish folks would just stop responding to ootb's posts, it would leave more screen space for other open minds.
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It is even due process to allow seizures before trial, but even those rules have been cast aside because the authorities have already decided the guilt of the accused and are seemingly just looking for a way to make their fiction a truth.
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If you support the seizure of domain names, and those domain names have speech on them, you are for censorship. OK? Doesn't matter if they had infringing content, or even if the site's main purpose was infringement. You're shutting down speech.
MLK's "I Have A Dream" speech is copyrighted. Does that mean that if I started reciting it in public, and was stopped by the police, that isn't censorship? Isn't it true that even if I was copying it word for word - or even worse, I was showing a video of it - it is still speech?
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Oh right, due process is a mere "legalistic view" and has no place in real life.
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let's get back to the basics of the subject line - what piracy?
nothing they have done falls under either category.
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I hate this Government !!!
I got nothing else to say.
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Except that not one, but two courts have decided that Puerto80 was not involved in copyright infringement.
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That would assume that we believe you could reach a logical conclusion, which we don't. I happen to think your disagreement is general antagonism, and mostly about drawing replies rather than being tied to a position.
If not, while being king of the tards certainly garners attention, there is still the part where everybody who follows you is retarded.
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no more so than you. anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a pirate who wants nothing but to rape and pillage rightsholders, irregardless of any valid concerns we may be expressing. call the kettle black much?
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As for your approval of censorship, that's becoming more and more apparent with each post you make. Nothing to do with your disagreements with Mike (or me or anyone else) everything to do with your statements and actions. As that or your approval of actions thousandths of an inch from tyranny can be excused by you provided it's in a cause you believe in.
Should anyone be guilty of binary/black and white thinking, blue, it's you. Again convicted out of your own mouth,typing.
That and, if necessary, I don't bite ankles should I attack. So far it hasn't been necessary because you're so easy to go after, same repeated argument over and over again, cut and pasted from RIAA and MPAA stats and releases, all of which have been completely debunked while you and they refuse to provide evidence for your own positions.
You see the problem is this: You demand respect for copyright because it's the law. Fair enough. Decent position as far as it goes. Even moral and ehtical as far as it goes.
Then you blow the whole thing when YOU don't respect the law when the law says that under due process an asset must be returned to an owner when the situation demands it such as this one. I understand that you don't like it but that doesn't excuse a government operating as if the divine right of kings still existed. It doesn't. That the sovereign power (government) has to obey the law as much as anyone else has been entrenched since Magna Charta doesn't seem to occur to you.
The simple fact is that you can't have it both ways. If you want people to respect copyright by observing it, and many of us here do despite your opinion that we don't merely because we criticize it and how it's applied by some corporate entities. Then you must respect the law when it says due process requires something you don't like. It's really that simple.
Even you should be able to understand that. Because if you don't you lose the moral and ethical high ground you claim.
Unless you don't really care about that and care more about accusing people of being ankle-biters.
All of which leaves the following possibilities:
(1) You're a hypocrite
(2) You're a liar
(3) Your protests to the contrary you submit here by scripts provided by the MPAA or RIAA or both.
(4) You're a shill for the entities named in (3) above [I'd demand a return of whatever it is you were paid if that's true]
(5) you really are as totally clueless and ignorant as your posts paint you to be.
(6) All of the above.
A suggestion is in order no matter what. Please become familiar with how law is applied, how it functions and why it functions the way it does. This is the real world not some badly written TV show. Then become familiar with the evolution and practice of law in the English speaking world since Magna Charta (which marks the starting point in the legal system as we know it) both before and after 1776. Then become familiar with International Law as it applies to concepts like extraterritoriality and the illegality of that.
Finally, please, please, please GROW UP.
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No, we fanboys think that you are a clueless asshat, unable of coherent thoughts and that you fail utterly in attacking Mike.
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I can't help but speculate if there isn't some sort other motivation for those in power to keep doing this. It's like they want global communication to exist only between a select group of people. I wonder if the content industries pushing these sorts of actions are just a convenient scapegoat for the politicians?
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Which is partly why we need to abolish government imposed cableco and broadcasting monopolies. The government has no right granting communication monopoly privileges into the hands of a self interested media cartel.
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Outside of the Internet bad laws are responsible for a lack of such global communication (from government imposed broadcasting monopolies to government imposed cableco monopolies).
Of course this is their intent, laws are the cause of censorship and a lack of such communication outside the Internet already.
The government has no right denying me my right to broadcast freely or to set up an independent cableco company and granting exclusive privileges to a self interested media cartel. Abolish government imposed broadcasting and cableco monopolies.
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For members of the US House, they're stuck with a two year electoral cycle and given how much campaigns cost these days are gonna react favourably to big donors. In other words they're for sale to the highest bidder because it's rare once elected that people in congress get turfed. (Well, rare in comparison to parliamentary systems where the shelf life of an MP is about 3.5 years.)
As for the content industry, at the end of the day they depend on global communications as much as the so-called "pirates" do. If they can't get their product outside of the United States because Congress passes silly rules that have that effect then, essentially, they cede the global dominance they have now to, well, Bollywood comes screaming to mind as they turn out films and music on an enormous scale now and will only increase it should these bills pass.
What I'm really saying is that neither the politicians or the content industry have the innate ability to look far enough into the future to pull off a decent conspiracy of that kind.
The unintended consequences of SOPA/PROTECT IP are huge and all of them will do nothing to improve American ability to compete in the global market. A market the content industry is quite used to, takes for granted and needs. It could affect other industries as well including the slowly recovering US auto industry.
In short they haven't a clue what they're doing, they're scrambling only worried about the short term and not considering the long term either for their profit or detriment. Between spreadsheet accounting and two year election cycles it just doesn't occur to them.
Anyway, it's too late. The horse is out the barn, in the fields and he ain't coming back in. Attempts to curtail global communication will be resisted at all levels of society from the individual to the largest corporation outside of the entertainment industry. So will attempts to censor it. That, as much as anything is the source of this proposed bill.
SOPA/PROTECT IP is so onerous and smelly that it won't take much to motivate the public and in some districts it may actually convince people to go to the polls, if for no other reason than to fire those who are in favour of it.
We saw that last week. All it takes is to keep the heat on a slow boil, I expect. This bill will increase that heat to a fast boil and more as it WILL get coverage.
Here we go!
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if you support the seizure of web domains with out due process of law you support Censorship. the reason for this is simple. anybody could and I bet Has published something they made of interest to the readership of a website. when the government seizes and takes that web domain down, they have censored that persons free speech!
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That's it? The only defect was failure to plead willfulness? That's disappointing. I was hoping for something more exciting.
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Willfulness
How is the torrent-finder.com case going?
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The Gov. can't give back what It lost.
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Though they make good toilet paper as the Pirate Bay shows whenever they receive them.
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If I send you a legal notice from my Spanish lawyer, will you obey, even if what you're doing is legal in the US? Thought not.
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Agreed. No willfulness here.
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The whole "legal in Spain" argument is silly.
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"The whole "legal in Spain" argument is silly."
So, you're OK with China and Iran telling American companies what to do so long as they have some kind of presence in those countries?
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That depends, did they post the material themselves? If they did not then I doubt it. But I'm not a lawlyer.
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