Chinese Internet Users Relish Irony Of SOPA's Great Firewall Of America

from the shoe-on-the-other-foot dept

After being on the receiving end of the West's pointed comments about the Great Firewall of China and the online censorship it helps to enforce, Chinese Internet users are enjoying the deep irony that SOPA will effectively copy China's approach by creating a Great Firewall of America. As one wrote:

It looks like that we can finally export our technology and value to the Americans. We’re strong, advanced, and absolutely right!
The same post on Global Voices Online reports that others are taking things more seriously, and worry about the knock-on effects SOPA will have on Net freedom around the world:
Most Chinese-language blogs and microblog messages emphasize the disastrous outcomes that the bill could bring. What people worry about most are bill's endorsement of surveillance by web services and Internet companies to prevent “infringing” content, and the implications for individual privacy.
None of this will come as any surprise to Techdirt readers. But it's extraordinary that the politicians supporting SOPA can't see – or don't care about – the huge damage it will do to the international reputation of the US, and the harm it will cause human rights around the globe.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:19am

    Nice site there Glynn! It seems to be mostly packed full of people from countries who think human rights is a joke. Plenty of middle eastern types who probably chant "death to america" in the street protests in their homeland too.

    Classy! Way to go deep looking for the slam. Mike may give you a raise if you keep this crap up!

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      Killercool (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:24am

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      You don't see the irony of the fact that even "those kind" of people are aware of the human rights concerns this bill raises, yet you don't?

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        Killercool (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:27am

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        Erm.

        "yet you aren't?"

        link to this | view in chronology ]

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        TtfnJohn (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 11:38am

        Re: Re:

        It's doubly ironic that "people like that" (paraphrase) are more concerned about human rights having lived without them than Americans hare having lived with them and (on the surface at least) celebrated them and then browbeat countries (selectively) who don't have them.

        Then again, some of the folks who post here have long since stopped amazing me at the depths they can sink to. My fervent hope is that they don't breed and pass on whatever faulty gene(s) the so obviously possess.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

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          Hephaestus (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:59pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          "My fervent hope is that they don't breed and pass on whatever faulty gene(s) the so obviously possess."

          Don't worry we are working on an app for that. It's called coitus interruptus. It will delay random emails, to content types until they are about to get frisky. Then it will bombard them with emails and phone calls.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:44am

      Re:

      The problem, son, is that the US now looks like those "middle eastern types" when it comes to freedom on the Internet.
      Glynn and Mike aren't to blame for that, are they?

      link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:49am

      Re:

      So you are claiming that human rights activists from China, Iran and the Middle East shout death to America?

      Troll harder.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:10am

      Re:

      Incoherent, self contradictory trolling is generally good for a good troll rating, however this is a bit too far.

      You need to separate the self contradictory statements by at least a sentence or two.

      Decent use of ad hominem though

      troll rating 5/10

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:54am

        Re: Re:

        Too bad you idiots are fast with the 'troll' tag, and slow with any useful response.

        I would say that makes you guys the trolls.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

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          Marcel de Jong (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:00am

          Re: Re: Re:

          And yet you refuse to respond to for instance Killercool's quite poignant remark.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

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            TtfnJohn (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 11:43am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            This AC (hi there blue!) has no sense of irony, morality or much else.

            (gave your identity away with that "slow with any useful response thing there, buck-o)

            Tell me, do you care about anyone or anything beyond yourself? Take your time, I don't want to hurry you. I know "beyond yourself" is an alien concept so just turn it over some and get used to it before loading up your cannon with wet powder so you can get another spectacular misfire.

            link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:07am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Too bad your idiots are fast with the 'freetard', 'pirate' and 'immoral' tags, and have a useful response once in a blue moon - nah, more like two blue moons.

          If we're trolls, you're twice the trolls we might be.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

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          Bengie, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:19am

          Re: Re: Re:

          "Incoherent, self contradictory trolling"

          And to go along with this, horrible rebuttals.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:27am

          Re: Re: Re:

          "I would say that makes you guys the trolls."

          I would say that makes you the troll, son.

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            The eejit (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:16am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            If you look around the room and there are no trolls, then the troll is you.

            Thanks go out to Bill Hicks, whose quote I just mutilated.

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          Togashi (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 1:03pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Too bad a useful response was posted 5 minutes after you, and the 'troll' tag came almost an hour later. Seems like about the opposite of what you said to me.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      An, 10 Dec 2011 @ 7:11pm

      Response to: Anonymous Coward on Dec 9th, 2011 @ 6:19am

      Go fuck yourself asshat

      link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Marabounta, 11 Dec 2011 @ 6:36am

      Re:

      there is only one thing to say to people like you- "shut up retard"

      link to this | view in chronology ]

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    Prisoner 201, 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:25am

    The only human right that matters is the right to buy products at whatever price the producers feel like charging.

    Everything else is just an obstacle to profit.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:25am

    Politicians don't think ahead, that's the problem. Thinking ahead for them is just winning the next election, that's it. And if passing bad legislation is what it takes to get massive campaign contributions to help win reelection then that's what they'll do.

    Look at 2008, and the 'solution' to pass the massive bailout bill to 'fix' the economy. Did it fix it? Heck no, but it made them look like they were doing something, and got them massive campaign contributions from the people bailed out.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

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    Ima Fish (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:32am

    I'm tired of people trying to analogize SOPA with China's Great Firewall. They're completely different.

    The Great Firewall of China blocks speech the Chinese government doesn't like.

    SOPA blocks speech that corporations don't like.

    See, it's not too hard to understand.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

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      MAJikMARCer (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 6:35am

      Re:

      And who do you think OWNS the government in the US?

      link to this | view in chronology ]

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      gorehound (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:59am

      Re:

      All of us must get ourselves and our friends/family to vote these Corrupt Arses out on the street where they belong.
      Vote Smarter in 2012

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:14am

        Re: Re:

        Your advise would require a better class of politician, which Amerika is fresh out of.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:28am

        Re: Re:

        "Vote Smarter in 2012"

        Correct.
        Vote Democrat.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:39am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Because Obama is.... wait a second... And his crew is... the same as Bush. Alright, the Americans are screwed. Royally.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

          • identicon
            pillbug, 9 Dec 2011 @ 12:27pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            except that bush had a completely hands off approach to the internet, whereas obama has been sending bill after bill to determine the shape of the internet.

            oh, but that doesn't agree with your worldview so better bring up WMD or something. amirite?

            link to this | view in chronology ]

            • identicon
              trlkly, 9 Dec 2011 @ 12:37pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              Obama hasn't pushed through legislation of any kind on these issues. He supported the bill, sure, but so did everyone else until someone told them that it was bad. Now, like Pelosi and nine other Democrats (and one Republican) do not support this.

              And Bush didn't leave the Internet alone: he actually championed the Patriot Act that let him do electronic surveillance on suspected terrorists.

              link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:44am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Lol voting Democrat is the dame as voting for corporate control, just like voting Republican, if you don't see this you are part of the problem.

          Ron Paul 2012. Liberty, justice, and the pursuit and destruction of corruption.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

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          Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:21am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Incorrect! Vote out incumbents!

          link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          demented, 11 Dec 2011 @ 10:44pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Wow, you really don't have a clue.

          Stop pretending one party is "smart" and one is "dumb." That's the kind of thinking my grandmother has. Rather, recognize that both parties are full of stupid corrupt people, and both of them need to be cleaned out.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 3:28pm

      Re:

      No, SOPA blocks PIRATED FILES corporations don't like. This bill may go a bit too far...but think about it from a business standpoint. Can you blame them for trying to stop people from illegally getting their product(s) for free? If you owned a business and people were stealing your products, I'm pretty sure you'd do something about it too.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 4:01pm

        Re: Re:

        Indeed, if someone was stealing my products, I'd be upset about it. However, because I'm an adult and can get past a certain mindset, if I saw someone making a COPY of my product, I'd think that was okay and in fact downright nifty. Hell, to be honest, from a business perspective, I'd find one of the people able to easily copy and reproduce my product (without taking my actual product) and ask them how they did it? So that I could lower my costs by reproducing copies myself of my own product.

        That and you know, it's a good thing the Supreme Court has already ruled that making a copy of a record IS NOT theft. It's copyright infringement. In fact, they even made the matter perfectly clear by stating that doing just that DOES NOT in fact prevent the person with copyright from continuing to produce and distribute their product.

        [scratches head in wonderment] And despite that, some people still can't spot the difference between "theft" and "copyright infringement". Is Idiocracy coming true even quicker than expected?

        link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 10:47pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          It doesn't matter. The fact is, people are obtaining some products for free illegally when they pirate, so you can't complain when companies try to do something about it. It's probably why stuff like video games have been getting so shitty over the last few years...it seems like devs only want to make games that they KNOW people will buy instead of taking a risk by doing something new.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

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            Anonymous Coward, 10 Dec 2011 @ 10:16am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Actually, it does matter. If you're going to try and take a moral high ground as well as try and have the law on your side, you'd do well to acknowledge what the law already says and has ruled on in regards to the matter at hand.

            No one is complaining over the fact that companies are trying to do something about it. What they are complaining about is the methods they're using. The broad definitions and all that jazz, which has been pointed out repeatedly, in SOPA/PIPA. You know, that and the things like screwing up the DNS system and free speech violations.

            Go ahead and do something about the "problem". By all means, knock yourself out. You won't succeed anyway. But DO NOT in your attempt to solve the problem, which you can provide no evidence/facts over just how many actual losses or whatnot it causes, violate my Constitutionally protected rights.

            As for the devs. That's a crock. It's the same thing with movies. They're going to make what they know people will like. That's the way it's always worked. No one wants to take a risk anymore, luckily, there are independents who'll produce something different. Trying to blame "piracy" for shitty games is a major copy out. You sound like Ubisoft. Oh hey, we're sorry about the games and the DRM, but we HAD to do it because of all the sales we aren't making. No! The reason for the decline in sales is because of YOUR horrible, atrocious, goddamn pain in the f*cking a$$ DRM, which drives us towards other game makers.

            link to this | view in chronology ]

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              Anonymous Coward, 10 Dec 2011 @ 10:48pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              "Trying to blame "piracy" for shitty games is a major copy out."

              Come on dude. You have to admit it might at least be a LITTLE bit of the reason companies (yes treyarch, I'm talking to you and that piece of shit call of duty!) don't want to take risks anymore.

              "What they are complaining about is the methods they're using. The broad definitions and all that jazz, which has been pointed out repeatedly, in SOPA/PIPA. You know, that and the things like screwing up the DNS system and free speech violations."

              Yes, I too agree the bill doesn't define things well. But it's not like congress is actually gonna change it or anything. But being prevented from pirating stuff (I know the bill isn't actually gonna do shit, but just humor me for a sec) isn't taking away your free speech rights.

              link to this | view in chronology ]

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                Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2011 @ 10:07am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                Okay, so you went from "it is the reason for shitty games" to "it might at least be a LITTLE". So which is it? Either you think that piracy is the reason we have crappy games (as in the only reason and it's a huge reason) or you think it MIGHT be a reason (but it's not the main/biggest one). Pick a side and stick with it in regard to this.

                The truth is, in regards to games, piracy is NOT the reason they don't want to take risk. While it COULD be a reason, it's not THE reason. You and I both know what the real reason is. They DO NOT need to take risk. If hundreds of millions of copies of Call of Duty (such a stupid and repetitious game, year in and year out with little to nothing to distinguish and make them better than last year's version) are able to sell year in and year out, that's all the incentive they need to not take risk. Obviously, people don't care about innovation or something new. They want the same old thing and are willing to pay for it every year over and over.

                And I know Congress isn't going to change it or anything. That's a given. And yes, stopping someone from pirating something DOES NOT take away my free speech rights per se. But it does put that possibility out there, based on the BROAD definitions of the bill. People seem to think the following, like you said, "downloading a file isn't free speech", "trying to keep you from downloading a file isn't violating your free speech". Right? That's what you're saying exactly. Okay, now stop and think for a moment. We have a bill, with definitions SO broad, that it literally should be called the "Yay! We can do what we want Bill." The DMCA is routinely abused, no punishments at all for those who abuse it. Now we have this new bill, which has clearly been stated, by ACTUAL experts nonetheless, as definitely going to place limits on and censor free speech (online). Are you denying that? I don't mean denying that that'll happen. I mean, are you saying these legal and Constitutional experts are all wrong? I don't think they are, and in this day and age, I think it's naive to dismiss that outright just because you may have a problem with people making a COPY of a song.

                It's like the whole "throwing out the baby with the bath water" thing. To stop one problem, which has no verifiable negative effect (that is based on a legitimate unbiased study, that is), they're willing to allow and encourage the abuse of a law which as I pointed out will allow for censorship of free speech, or prevent it entirely (in some ways) and will destroy the internet as it has been building up towards. Come on. That's pretty extreme, don't you think?

                link to this | view in chronology ]

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                  Anonymous Coward, 11 Dec 2011 @ 9:27pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                  "Okay, so you went from "it is the reason for shitty games" to "it might at least be a LITTLE"."

                  "It's probably why stuff like video games have been getting so shitty over the last few years"

                  That sure didn't seem like I was saying it's the ONLY reason.

                  "Okay, now stop and think for a moment. We have a bill, with definitions SO broad, that it literally should be called the "Yay! We can do what we want Bill."

                  Which is why I think they should actually define shit instead of leaving wiggle room.

                  "Now we have this new bill, which has clearly been stated, by ACTUAL experts nonetheless, as definitely going to place limits on and censor free speech (online). Are you denying that?"

                  No, I don't think those experts are wrong. Which is why I think actual people in the industries affected by piracy that AREN'T MPAA/RIAA/whatever fatcats should help congress make a bill that will actually do something against piracy. Maybe something like a small fine plus whatever the retail value of the pirated thing is?

                  "Come on. That's pretty extreme, don't you think?"

                  Yeah, maybe it is extreme. But it doesn't change the fact that congress probably IS going to pass this bill to make their fatcat buddies happy.

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    anonymous, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:15am

    i would have thought that when people from countries like Iran, China etc start taking the piss out of the goings-on concerning the Internet, Human Rights and Freedom of Speech in the US, it would ring some alarm bells and make those in power realise that what they were (proposing?) doing, was making the US a Global laughing stock. talk about hypocrites! say one thing, do the opposite. condemn something happening somewhere, then do the same. how more fucked up can a place get?

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    out_of_the_blue, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:19am

    "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

    You bet that authoritarians around the world (especially Wall Street and City of London) are laughing as the US is turned into another police state. So do the peoples whom the US has invaded laugh (bitterly) as US military is turned to domestic control. As I've said, those exercises in military adventurism and empire-building aren't going to to leave the US populace free.

    Just look at this absurdity: someone attacks buildings in New York, so the Bush admin launches two full scale wars in the Middle East, kills hundreds of thousands, wounds and destroys the lives of millions, and foments fear in the US by which it brings about a police state that takes all of your vaunted rights. -- The absurdity is that /I'm/ called a conspiracy theorist! It's no longer theory, people, you see it put in place daily...

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      Bob V (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:25am

      Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

      See the nut jobs don't look like nuts any more...what's wrong with this picture

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:35am

        Re: Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

        Yeah, that's OOTB's second comment this week that made sense. The end is nigh.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

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          Ninja (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:24am

          Re: Re: Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

          I was compelled to chant "The solution is a better business model!" to scare him but this comment made so much sense that I was left speechless.

          I'll admit that this post was brilliant. Maybe he remembered to take his medicine?

          link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        uninformedluddite, 9 Dec 2011 @ 5:28pm

        Re: Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

        Imagine if they weren't ever nuts at all

        link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:30am

      Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

      "You bet that authoritarians around the world (especially Wall Street and City of London) are laughing as the US is turned into another police state."

      And SOPA is the latest tool to achieve that goal!
      Thanks for putting it so eloquently, OotB!

      link to this | view in chronology ]

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      A Guy (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 11:11am

      Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

      OOTB makes a good point.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

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      TtfnJohn (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 11:50am

      Re: "Al-Qaida" loves the Patriot Act and military detentions.

      Stupidity isn't a conspiracy. It appears to be the natural state of some humans. Too many of us. Which is why we're doomed to repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again until we either get it right or we blow up the world after firing enough carbon into the air to turn the planet into a pizza oven.

      "Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain."

      Stupid works far better than conspiracy, every time. Other than that I agree with damned near every word.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:21am

    Blah. That is all.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

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    Jay (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:22am

    Wow..

    Had Chris never heard of the 1st Amendment as a Senator? How can he not understand why censorship is wrong?

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    DCX2, 9 Dec 2011 @ 7:41am

    Kinda reminds me of Egypt's protests...

    The military junta that rules Egypt right now is trying to crush yet another revolution (two in one year...go Egypt!)

    One of the military's justifications for suppressing the protests? "They do it in the West, too" - a clear reference to how the US handles the Occupy movement.

    When will our government learn that other nations do not fall for "do as I say, not as I do".

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    Marcel de Jong (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:07am

    In this video you'll find a prime example of hypocrisy

    Namely the speech of Hillary Clinton during the Internet Freedom Conference 2011, where she talked about how the Internet should be free, free from censorship and tyranny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6yBTRKyh8w

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:03am

    whats this other countries thing - i thought there was only America?

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Rob, 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:27am

    Follow the money

    But it's extraordinary that the politicians supporting SOPA can't see – or don't care about – the huge damage it will do to the international reputation of the US.

    All American politicians care about is the money. Dam the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and free speech.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    phpguy, 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:35am

    Politicans think?

    You make the assumption that politicians actually think. This is just a sad sign of the times.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 9:38am

    Communism it's not just for China anymore!

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 9 Dec 2011 @ 11:11am

      Re:

      Can you name one person that is not both a communist and a capitalist? You may think you are one or the other, but I don't see how that could be possible in reality.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

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    Chris Brand (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 10:53am

    Not that "extraordinary"

    The international reputation of the US doesn't make campaign contributions.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    Tudor Capusan (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 11:17am

    More thinking, less rhetoric

    SOPA may not be a good diplomatic move because people tend to generalize. It's easy to equate "regulation" to "censorship." It's harder to think about the specifics of Cinese censorship and the specifics of SOPA.
    The negative effects of SOPA are blown out of proportion.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      A Guy (profile), 9 Dec 2011 @ 8:43pm

      Re: More thinking, less rhetoric

      Can I live in this fantasy world where no one would ever think of abusing the overly broad, and harmful language in the bill for unethical purposes?

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    hey america its china, 10 Dec 2011 @ 8:55pm

    so i know many of the supporters of this bill are glad you will be able to censor websites around the world. and you know what? were happy for you....or least happy you have given us a reason to censor YOUR websites in retaliation!

    HAHAHAHA!!!!!

    link to this | view in chronology ]


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