MPAA Boss: If The Chinese Censor The Internet Without A Problem, Why Can't The US?
from the wow dept
The MPAA is getting pretty desperate, it seems. MPAA boss Chris Dodd was out trying to defend censoring the internet this week by using China as an example of why censorship isn't a problem. It's kind of shocking, really."When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn't do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."Is that really what Chris Dodd wants the US government to aspire to? To setting up its own Great Firewall?
His other comments were almost as ridiculous:
"How do you justify a search engine providing for someone to go and steal something?" he asked rhetorically in a recent interview at the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers conference. "A guy that drives the getaway car didn't rob the bank necessarily, but they got you to the bank and they got you out of it, so they are accessories in my view."But that completely misunderstands and misrepresents the situation. Google isn't the driver. Google is the car manufacturer. Do we sue Ford as an accessory?
It's this sort of ridiculousness that makes it so difficult to take Dodd and the MPAA seriously in these discussions.
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The point anti-SOPA people are trying to make it that it is impossible to block stuff on the internet. All he is saying is that many countries do it (specifically China) and it does work.
Implying context beyond that your words, not his. I notice the last few posts you are getting all riled up and raising the spectre of the "great firewall of china" at every turn. More care tactics? It only makes me think you realize that your side has already lost the battle, and most of your business models get flushed down the toilet at the same time.
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In the US, DNS systems are controlled by neutral parties.
In China, DNS systems are controlled by the government.
In the US, all outbound pipes (internet connections to other nations) are controlled by neutral parties.
In China, all outbound pipes are controlled by the government.
Now, to say that because China can do it is a farce. China can do it because the government controls all aspects of the internet.
Why would you want a government controlled internet in the US?
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Corrected for you. And as expected our friend AC replied with a sound silence. Because he can't argue with your reply. And if or when he tries he'll just make more of a fool of himself than he already did with his original clueless reply.
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Don't forget their companies as well. I am sure Mr. Dodd would love to see the government say "Hey, Google, lock down those web sites. Hey, MPAA, we're going to be taking over your oversight for you. We will take our share of profits as we see fit. We got this all under control, you can step down now. Bye!"
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What the heck? Because I didn't answer in 10 seconds, I am avoiding the question? Holy crap, you need to get a life!
All of Zachs points are nice, but sort of meaningless. who actually "controls" the internet in the US is immaterial, because those companies are bound by the law. China enforces it through it's command and control structure, the US would do the same via legal action and legislation.
So sorry, Zach's points don't really change reality.
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The US has a far greater control over the internet. In it's current form, the name and number allocation systems are rooted in the US. And when the US passes stupid commerce and internet regulations, other countries are effected. It's so routine that the US is now passing laws to explicitly invade the sovereign jurisdiction of other countries.
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And laws already exist in the US for online crimes and it works just fine. Provide numbers, clear numbers, not masked ones and include your damned online sales and show me that your industry is doing that bad. Please do include live performances, indie artists and labels and content produced outside of the big players too.
Meanwhile the producers of products for wagons such as harness, whips and so on are still brainstorming on how to deal with the post-automobile sharp decrease in their sales and lobbying the congress for tougher laws to protect their business models. Not.
And if or when he tries he'll just make more of a fool of himself than he already did with his original clueless reply.
I must be some sort of oracle.
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The number of movies released is up 23% - [1]
The number of books published is up 47% - [2]
The number of albums released is up 25% - [3]
The video games industry is up 23% - [4]
When I look at those numbers, I have a hard time believing what Chris Dodd, Hilary Rosen and Stanislas Mettra have to say. Didn't Warner Bros. just set a company record for quarterly profits? I'm confused. My guess is that these industries really aren't losing money, but they are losing control. And maybe to them, control is more valuable than profits? I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
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[1] - http://bit.ly/rj5mRT
MPAA industry report page 13.
454 movies released in 2001.
560 movies released in 2010.
[2] - http://bit.ly/uRb4KC
R.R Bowker output report, 2002 thru 2010.
215,138 books published in 2002.
316,480 books published in 2010.
[3] - http://bit.ly/tneVtC
90,324 music items for 2001.
113,080 music items for 2010.
Unfortunately, I could not find any release statistics on the RIAA website. Instead, I used Discogs browse by year feature and noted the number of items listed at the bottom of the page. This wasn't ideal so I'm hoping someone out there can dig up a relevant report.
[4] - http://bit.ly/kLHJ2Q
ESA industry report page 10.
208.7 million units sold 2001.
257.2 million units sold 2010.
I was unable to find any information regarding the number of releases per year. I used the number of units sold per year instead. Admittedly, the last two years have shown decreases of 7% and 8% but it should be noted that the chart in question is for "sales of new physical content at retail exclusively." So if you didn't buy at a retail chain or if you legally downloaded your purchase, it's not included in this chart. Page 11 of the same report states 24% of content was digital in 2010. I know it's not a perfect methodology but if we increase 2010's units sold by 24% we would get 318.9 million units which would be a 52% increase over 2001. I believe the 23% increase stated above is lower than the actual number, but I also thought it was important to use the numbers supplied by the industry.
Thanks for riding.
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You ignore the most important point. China's control creates enormous collateral damage. If the US does the same then even greater collateral damage will occur because of the US's central position in the internet infrastructure.
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I notice that you didn't respond to my comment nor many other people calling you out on your bullshit. I wonder why.
"China enforces it through it's command and control structure"
You might do well to ponder what the fundamental differences are between China's command structure and that of the US, and what you'd lose by adopting the Chinese model. Spouting random bullshit anonymously online might be one of the first casualties.
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Unidentified Posting Asshole.
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>In the US, DNS systems are controlled by neutral parties.
>In China, DNS systems are controlled by the government.
Not mine.
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Not mine.
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Except mine.
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Because, just as it is in the case of China, the government-controlled internet would be so badly controlled that a slightly motivated 12-year old could poke holes in it.
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Unless you know where you can get one, this should get laughs of the week.
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SOPA won't solve the problems it's purported to, and it will inconvenience everyone but the individuals its meant to inconvenience. Everyone is making the connection except for those who choose to be wilfully ignorant and bury their noses up the posteriors of the legacy industries.
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No, it's not, stop misrepresenting issues just because you can't handle intelligent criticism.
The point people are ACTUALLY making is that it's impossible to do so without serious levels of collateral damage and the removal of rights such as the rights to free speech and the right to due process.
Strangely, the Chinese have no problem with this. It's a shame that you don't see the problem either.
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Dude, please do not even suggest that! How many more remakes of the monkey king do you think the world can handle.
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Great typo.
And yes, I would agree that these are "care tactics" because we do care.
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he didn't stretch it
At it's core, MPAA is saying you can't fight copyright infringement without censorship. So guess what?
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As my mother used to say: "Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you SHOULD do it."
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Response to: Anonymous Coward on Dec 9th, 2011 @ 7:53am
Should we limit the number of kids Americans can have? China can do it, so why can't we?
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should it. To quote Chris Rock, "you can drive with damn feet if you want to, but that don't make it a good idea."
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It "works" because (as has been pointed out by others):
1)The governments themselves control most/all of the internet.
2)The governments serious control free-speech, civil liberties and due process.
I, for one, do not wish to live in a country where the internet is run by people who think it is a series of "tubes", have no idea what DNS even means, and don't know how to keep from tweeting their penis to half the planet.
I especially don't want to live in a country where these very same people can just pick me up, throw me in prison for whatever reason they want, and forget about me.
If the pro-SOPA people think these countries have it so good, maybe THEY should move there and let the rest of us live in peace.
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Absolutely wrong. Not only does it not work, but it only serves to suppress their citizens.
What's next? Executions for downloading movies?
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Right. That's why there's no copyright infringement going on in China!
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Censorship is wrong, violates the constitution, limits business, and allows for Nazi-like governing.
You really should brush up on both sides of an issue if you want to toss around "clarifications".
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And check your typos, douche.
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The only problem with this point is that it's incorrect. The Great Firewall of China blocks *some* people from getting to the information they want. It does not block determined people from getting the information they seek.
Thus, if you assume that our implementation will be of equal quality, we can assume that determined pirates will continue to pirate.
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And no the Great Firewall of China does NOT work. It's sprung more leaks than a sieve and only rarely does China even bother slapping someone's wrist for routing around it anymore.
Even at that they're only interested in sites they consider as spreading anti-government propaganda. You want porn? Fill your boots. You want the latest music and movies from the MPAA and RIAA, we'll have it for you a week or two before the official release date. And we'll pirate the CD and DVD covers too so that if you need some extra money you can flog the CDs and DVDs on the streets of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong with better quality and art work that what you'll get from Hollywood should they ever bother to do a Chinese release.
Actually it's not an attempt to duplicate the Great Firewall of China that worries me. It's not been all that successful to start with. It keeps enough out to make the bureaucrats in Beijing happy while letting more than enough through to keep the populace happy and content and has leaked profusely from Day 1. It's the futility of it all. If there was a finer example that these things don't work I don't know what is except for the proposal to erect a Great Pornwall of Australia to keep all those nasty nudie flicks out of a country that otherwise celebrates just that on its beaches.
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Is that what you mean by it works?
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Tuesday is the "China is the source of everything bad so we should attack them" day. This was posted on Friday, which is "America would be great if only they had a version of totalitarian communism like China" day.
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Yep, Mike Masnick does care about the internet, freedom and all that good stuff.
Glad you finally figured that one out!
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Media companies should start offering their goods in a convenient, affordable and reasonable format, instead of petitioning the government to protect their outdated business models.
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I think it goes without saying that China has a questionable history as regards human rights. Personally I feel that, when an organization looks to China as an example of "How it can be done" in an effort to protect it's own interests, it shows that they feel their interests are more important than civil liberties and their suggestions, as regards new laws, should be examined with that in mind.
The next question is: what other Chinese tactics will the RIAA suggest?
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Chris Dodd is a blithering fool.
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I DO think that he is morally and ethically bankrupt. He is just another corrupt individual that is allowed to be a part of the political discussion.
Sadly, he lack of values, appears to be part of his family nature/nurture environment; (his father, Thomas Dodd was censored by Senate). Let's hope that his daugthers, Grace Dodd and Christana Dodd, can break the cycle of corruption and lack of ethics that infected their father and grandfather.
In the mean time, it is important to point out to anyone that would listen to him, that anything that would come out of his mouth should be assumed to be a continuation of a set of behaviors from a self-enriching liar and now a supporter of Chinese Media management policies and China's bill of Rights.
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Do we sue map makers because bank robbers use those to plan their scape routes?
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But that's a different topic altogether ;)
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No... wait... that's here in the U.S.
My bad.
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Oh hell, that's starting to sound eerily like the American political system isn't it?
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FTFY. Only if the auto dealer knows that the driver drove drunk and then hid him or that fact from the law. His logic here is that the auto dealer is equally guilty of the crime of drunk driving because he sold the car that the drunk driver says.
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Boycott the MPAA
MOVIES:
I do not go to theaters nor do I pay for any online Netflix,ITUNES,etc.I read a lot and watch educational TV and when I have to watch an MPAA Movie/TV Show to own it I will buy only a physical copy and only used.
CHRIS DODD:
"When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn't do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."
AND AS STATED:
"How do you justify a search engine providing for someone to go and steal something?" he asked rhetorically in a recent interview at the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers conference. "A guy that drives the getaway car didn't rob the bank necessarily, but they got you to the bank and they got you out of it, so they are accessories in my view."
FRAK YOU DODD !
WHAT A FRAKKIN ARSE !!!Where the hell does this moron think he lives in.This is the USA not China.
I am very fed up with this whole SOPA/PIPA Drama.Maybe if people who know of this joined a Boycott it would hurt their pockets.I would like to think it would.
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I wonder what would have happened if Spring and TMO tried to merge?
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Anti-trust hasn't been enforced in the US in decades.
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Torrent and share as many big label products as you possibly can!
This will continue to dilute the big labels grip on the music industry.
This tactic not only punishes the labels, but it can also act is an incentive for their clients to step away from companies that use out-dated business models and are blatantly guilty of buying the political influence responsible for SOPA & PROTECT-IP etc.
Also, communicate with your favorite band (if they are on a big label) and implore them that you refuse to purchase their product until they leave that label... and for those reasons... out-dated business models and buying political influence... and remind them that you have and will continue to share this sentiment with your friends.
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at this point they have treated enough people like crap i could care less regardless what happens to them.
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But The Americans are no Communists. The Chinese are.
See the Americans as the Arabs.
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And to take that to it's logical conclusion the US Govt. maintains and provides unfettered access to GPS satellites. So if the US Govt is not proactively doing all it can to filter GPS data to bank robbers, child abductors, stalkers, pirates, and terrorists they are just as guilty.
Do I need to start cutting my funding to them? If so, I'm much more on board with this whole thing...
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I want him to explain in gory detail how he things DNS works and why it wouldn't be a problem when even Sandia Labs spoke of security problems are we going to believe a professional liar or people in the field?
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Now that I can agree no more patents too, no more copyrights, no more BS IP law.
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I just get the sneaking suspicion that as soon as SOPA passes they will use it to destroy youtube, and possibly even take some shots at google at large.
Google needs to get in this fight. It's time for them to perform a hostile takeover of either a Movie studio, a Record company, or both, and then to use that to crush the competition.
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However, trying to programatically decide what content is infringing is far more difficult than trying to decide what content is pornographic.
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Baby in bathtub?
I used to think porn was two people fornicating, now I don't have a clue what it is.
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Now, come out here and tell that we could just kill all immigrants to solve the problem of unemployment. Too much? Let's kill the libraries because ppl can get stuff for free there and don't pay the rich faggots from the MAFIAA. Let's close TPB because MAFIAA doesn't want to do its job and offer readibly available stuff for sane prices and take a long lots of legit content.
Fuck you, sir.
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Whitelist would satifsy the SOPA/PIPA crowd, because that's essentially what they're arguing for. "Slightly less porous" might SOUND like it's acceptable, but you're a fool if you think people won't do their best to sneak through the gaps, and then we'd be back to square 1.
And this isn't even touching on the fact that automation has no real way of distinguishing between authorized and unauthorized...
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What the pro-SOPA/PIPA group wants is censorship. They feel that piracy is so 'evil' that it shouldn't be seen at all. The thing is, if there was some reasonable due process it might not be so bad to take down sites that are PROVEN to be illegal. But that's not what they want is it? They want the ability to censor any site immediately, to hell with collateral damage. If it doesn't directly affect them, who cares.
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Do you hurt yourself trying to twist things so much? I mean, geez, try to keep some crediblity here.
Nobody wants censorship. Where the fuck do you get that from?
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Justified or not removing websites from the Internet because they are "ACCUSED" of piracy is censorship. Period.
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Candy coat it all you want. Go ahead and pretend that it's necessary censorship, but you can't dodge the fact that it is, by it's very definition, censorship. Now granted, that doesn't paint you in a very good light. Your PR department boss isn't going to be very happy with that.
We understand that it is censorship here. We're well past that definition stuff. What we continue to discuss is why this censorship is more damaging than it is helpful.
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It's not that we can't have *any* censorship, because we do.. It's just that these new laws (again, that noone wants, but we are somehow going to get anyway) go way overboard on censorship in a really bad way.
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Oh, so you support the free and open exchange of child pornography then? Or is it a form of censorship you are willing to accept?
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Since a child cannot arouse me, there is no such thing as "child pornography."
Do you get sexually aroused by children?
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To answer your question: yes, it should be freely and openly exchanged. Then the people who create and distribute such illegal material should be tracked down and prosecuted to the limit of the law and the material removed at the source. The fact that it's being openly exchanged would make it easier for the police to do their jobs, all without risking the rights of law abiding citizens.
I'm not sure why you think putting a filter on such material would either make it unavailable or stop its production, but you're wrong to believe that it would.
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Just shocking?
Kind of? I must add that while it is not a surprise it's beyond shocking. Dodd can go get Chinese citizenship and sell his shit there and leave the rest of the world in peace.
Hopefully he just shot his feet and there will be both repercussion and politicians will withdraw from supporting SOPA and the likes. Just hopefully, my guess is US Govt is dying to implement the Great Firewall of America, they just don't want to admit it openly.
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They do. These laws not only benefit the entertainment industry but help the government fight their "cyberwar". The thing is, the "cyberwar" isn't against some foreign government or terrorists, it is against the American people.
I have heard for over a decade comparisons of the US to Nazi Germany. As I have said before, I find that historically there are significantly greater parallels between the US today and the British Colonies from about 1730 to 1760 (Hell I can draw more parallels to the Old Roman Empire as well, than to Nazi Germany).
One simply has to follow the direction of recent legislation (Patriot Act, DCMA, ACTA, PIPA/SOPA) to see the path this country is headed down. And what do the people currently in power have to fear? I've seen results from some recent mayoral elections that in some place barely 10-15% of the eligible voters actually voted. And most of those were generally hard-core dedicated republicans/democrats.
Reid, Pelosi, Gingrich (just to name a few), do these people really care what the general population has to say? Even if enough voter dissatisfaction could be mobilized to force a few of these individuals (much less the high implausibility of large scale turnover) out of office, they have guaranteed pensions, high probabilities or well paying jobs in industry with the likes of the Pharmas, Big Oil, the entertainment industry.
The only things these people have to fear is large scale civil unrest (as things like Occupy Wall Street have already started showing signs of) that escalates to outright disobedience/violence (because that generally leads to "regime" changes that severely disrupts how the status-quo operates).
And, as recent events have shown worldwide, when that unrest finally erupts, current communications make such regime changes far easier to correlate. And communication is much easier to censor if it can be done in the guise of something else (No way, we're not censor free speech, they were linking to infringing content). One only has to look at the ICE domain seizures of the past few years to see test runs of this being put into practice.
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Re: Re: Just shocking?
A country where the citizens are not politically aware and active can be an issue.
The Americans are used to having whatever their consumerist minds want. Their political selves have been thrown into some sort of stupor driven by this addiction to consuming everything as much as they can (and it has also sparked the subprime crisis).
The ppl must stay vigilant. Those in power will easily stray from their true obligations when seduced by the money and the status.
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So Mr. Dodd believes his industry is part of the Government?
While he used to be a cog in that machine, he no longer is.
Maybe it is time for the Americans to tell the MPAA to stop demanding everyone else change to suit their outdated business model.
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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do that something.
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Exactly. Does everyone remember the question your Mom or Dad asked about peer pressure?
"Well, if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?"
Putting aside the fact that my friends and I were young, dumb and full of cum at the time and actually did jump off bridges on a couple of occasions, I usually heeded this advice and abstained when my friends were doing really stupid stuff. This lesson seems to have been lost on Dodd.
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LIBEL
LIBEL AND SLANDER
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wtf
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That's the kind of logic at play here.
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If our side is losing the debate, then how come there are like 40 people posting anti sopa comments to your one pro sopa comment? LRN2math
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Well if you love it so much....
If China is so wonderful, go set up shop THERE. I'll wait.
What? You can't do that because they won't have you? Oh, and if you did manage, they don't pay for anything? Oh, ok. In that case, STFU and get me a sammich.
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So by this logic - we should restrict where ALL cars can drive, because *some may* be used to rob a bank?
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Lets not forget the guy who designed the car. If he didn't design the car, their would be no getaway car, and no getaway driver. Or maybe, we should blame science. Yeah, lets just blame science for letting a combustion engine work.
But seriously, just because information is provided or conceived of does not mean that the entity providing the information is at fault of anything. Chemicals are labeled as poisonous. Maybe we shouldn't require that because that will just let people know that they could use that chemical to poison someone. Just because google provides information about infringing sites does not mean they are telling people to do something bad with that.
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Bankers own the place Chris Dodd?
Or was that some other Senator Chris Dodd?
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I'm 100% behind this, that way they can never be pirated.
No more music reviews, no more Movie reviews, no more advertising what is at your local movie theater. no posters no radio play, no commercials on TV. Think if all those advertising dollars they will save, it's a win/win for everyone
(do I put the s/ tag here, or am I serious? that is up to the few free thinkers left to decide)
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People will cease to use it nearly as much, I suspect.
But that's been the same fate of every "over corporitized" concept.
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Amazing
And about the "getaway car" idea, there's nobody driving this "car." It's more like a train, automated and needing no assistance. Anyone can get on it.
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Though they've been dead to me for a long time.
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Did anybody see the Bernie Sanders amendment?
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Censorship
Last link of “America Deceived II” before it is completely censored:
http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possession-interrogation/dp/1450257437
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You want to stop IP infringement by creating a firewall.
You point to China's firewall as an example.
While simultaneously disregarding the fact that,
No where in the world is IP infringement as rampant as China.
Oh the irony!
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If the communists execuite renteir capitalists, why can't we?
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Contributory culpability
Oh yeah, they already are making sure of that.
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China
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Search engines and getaway drivers
"but those filthy rogue bartogrhers are to lame. Withoutthemap,thebankrobbers would not have known where theb ank was....
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Like China is doing a great job of stoping piracy
If he actually had it his way, piracy would only be even worse.
The labels need to know that they're running out of time, every day that passes it's easier for content creators to not depend on them to create, market and distribute their content.
Young filmakers who grew understanding that free gets everywhere with today's technologies are turning to file sharing and youtube and making a lot of money when they remove distribution costs and geographic borders from the equation.
Had they used all the money they've spent on attorneys into building their own version of netflix or a kick ass rental system online piracy would've been at an all time low right now.
Convenience and choice is the best enemy against piracy.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/universalmusicgroup
Thumbs down to this, Block It and Flag It...
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better idea
Lets just do away with the whole concept of IP!
No copyright bullshizzle, no 'Rights' to be screwing each other over for, nuthin!!
Furthermore, among all the gazillion column inches being wasted, theres 2 concepts to remember
Pirates do it in ships on the high seas, not on land or on the wire
Theft is taking something away, so nothing is left behind. I dont see ANY theft goin on when someone downloads anything. Bejayzus, if i share me kids birthday party pics online, I STILL GOT 'EM!
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I suggest taking the guy seriously
If he wish to redefine the first amendment, who's to say that he won't get away with it? Everything is open to interpretation, and interpretation is open to influence by well heeled lobbyists.
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it's all about rights
Sites that exist for the soul purpose of distributing copyright material you are required to pay for must be censored and shutdown to protect the rights of artists. Requiring search services, ISPs and DNS services to block those sites does not infringe upon anybody's right to free speech because the owners of those sites do not have and never will have the right to violate copyright law. The only "harm" done is that people will not get copyrighted pay-for-use material for free but they never had that right to begin with nor should they ever have that right. I am all for censoring sites that distribute child pornography, sell illegal drugs, traffic people or give away copyrighted material you are required to pay for. I fully support putting those people in jail.
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Re: it's all about rights
Writing a song that no one has seen/heard does not qualify you meeting requirements for me to exchange money with you.
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And seein as u wanna toss 'em in jail, you gonna pay to build the jails big enough to house half the US population?
Not so cost-effective I think
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Nope, they don't, they don't have a right to stop anybody from playing some music and making money out of it, or a video, and certainly they shouldn't have the power to do so for life + 95 years.
Everybody should get paid for their work that they do and it is direct not something that it is indirect and depends on the work of others to be realized those others should not have to pay no artist for the work they do, like artists don't have to pay the people who enable them like instruments manufacturers, electronic equipment manufacturers and so forth.
Copyright needs to end, even if with it goes some good things it have done, at its core and by a large margin it just empower the corrupt and greedy and brings more pain than it takes from society.
Everybody should start distributing copyright materials, copyright and artists that support that are a social cancer that it is killing the good and rewarding the bad.
But you are right is all about rights, is about the right to not give up freedom for the benefit of a fringe minority that believes they can just do anything they want and others will just fallow.
The sheep left the building is payback time.
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censorship called instead regulation...
There is NO NEED for ANYTHING but following the laws that have existed since 1934.
Its all over but the ruling of the Eighth Circuit Court panel of three judges who have worked now since Sept 19, 2011 to figure out a way to keep pornography freely flowing by "Internet" wire communications despite the Communications Act of 1934. I will appeal, of course, to the Supreme Court regardless of why they allow nudity to be transmitted by wire communications despite the LAW.
Neeley v NameMedia Inc, et al, (5:09-cv-05151)(11-2558)
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PDF APPELLANT BRIEF (56 pages)
PDF APPELLEE BRIEF of NameMedia Inc (19 pages)
PDF APPELLEE BRIEF of Google Inc (14 pages)
PDF APPELLANT REPLY BRIEF (16 pages)
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This is NOT secret but this legal proceeding is being ignored by all media thus far.
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Is he nuts?
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