Senator Harry Reid Moves To Approve PROTECT IP And Begin Censoring The Internet
from the people-vs.-hollywood dept
Apparently ignoring the widespread protests about both SOPA and PROTECT IP (PIPA) from the last few months (and the momentum growing against both bills), it was announced over the weekend that Harry Reid is seeking to override the hold on PIPA put forth by Senator Ron Wyden (along with Senators Jerry Moran, Maria Cantwell and Rand Paul) by seeking cloture. This isn't a huge surprise. Last week Senator Reid had informed other Democratic Senators that he intended PROTECT IP to be the first bill he brought to the floor when the Senate returns for business in January. So, now the cloture vote will happen January 24th, 2012 just as the Senate comes back into session. That means there's a little over a month where Hollywood is going to make every effort it can to get Senators over to its side. They need 60 Senators to betray the Constitution and to undermine a decade and a half's work on online security for a plan that won't actually help Hollywood at all. But, with Hollywood flinging money around DC like they're making record revenues at the box office (which... um... they are), they've already got 40 Senators signed on. That means there's a month to make sure 20 other Senators don't betray their country, their economy and the internet.The really disappointing part in all of this is that these Senators appear to remain totally out of touch to the public opinion on these bills. They simply look at Hollywood, the US Chamber of Commerce and the AFL-CIO and see dollar signs. These groups fund campaigns, and 2012 is an election season. So, might as well try to make them happy. Public will be damned. Of course, the one way to defeat dollars is with voters. The more constituents who reach out and call their Senators, or (better yet) go and visit them and explain how this bill is a disaster that undermines everything America stands for, the better. So, start calling...
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I want to see a Revolution at this point.Whast else can we do to regain our Freedom ? I do not care any longer about Washington except to feel bad thoughts every time I hear that word mentioned.Corruption Rules Our Government.
FRAK YOU WASHINGTON !
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Et tu, senators?
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This is why no one takes the freeloading zealots seriously. You really want to execute people for passing legislation that may inhibit your ability to get something of value for free? What a bunch of truly sick fucks you are.
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However, I do take issue with your characterization of the intent behind our opposition. We no more want to block SOPA so that we can "get something of value for free" than we want to execute supporters of SOPA.
Rather, we want to protect the integrity of the internet and our Constitutional rights to free speech. SOPA is one of the Biggest threats to that in the last 50 years.
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I think that this may be the wrong way to do it, but when your political system is so easily subverted, then perhaps it is time to nuke it and start again.
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Oh wait, you can't. The DNS system is broken and average people/idiot congressmen don't know what an IP address is for.
I'd fix it for you, but you'll just pass more BS legislation and break it again, so figure it out yourself; you obviously know everything if you think SOPA/PIPA are good ideas.
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Stick it up your ass. They already have the power to remove copyrighted material and SOPA/PROTECT can be easily evaded by pirates, this is censorship in the guise of copyright protection, and corruption.
They deserve imprisonment for their corruption.
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ya its getting to that point
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letter to Reps
If you vote yes on either one of these bills the backlash will be huge. You can follow the money and have a huge payday for your campaign funds or reaffirm the thought of corruption and take a job with one of these groups. but none of it will matter because you will not get votes. The American People will not take lightly to being censored, and you will feel it come November.
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In fact, they will be luck to live through the upheavals that follow since they will be individually targeted for the betrayal
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THe fact that you suggest violent insurrection and death over a law that simply makes stealing digital content harder is absolutely amazing. Your addiction to free content and the zealotry surrounding it borders on bizarre. Do you ever think about what you write before you hit "submit"?
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You won't see me suggesting violence or murder if the bills fail.
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No I think some are simply dupes who have partaken of the FUD kool-aid. That hardly puts me in the same league as those suggesting violence, murder or insurrection.
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There is little trust that the US won't play political football with their debts; there is little trust that the US won't treat people they don't like (internally AND externally) as enemy combatants; there is little trust in the politicking that goes on in the Capitol; and finally, there is little trust that these bills actually benefit anyone real.
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Well your man-crush eejit said this:
"I would prefer that they were all lied up and shot, but mostly because they betray principles that the US was actually founded upon: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These sick fucks want to curtail the secondary of these for the sake of a few imaginry people's latter."
If you don't find that offensive (and a diatribe), perhaps you need to take another look at that.
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I'll leave you with a quote from Sir Winston Churchill:
"All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing."
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Do you know how to read, boy?
SOPA will basically do what China, Turkey, and other repressive regimes do to their citizens' access to the Internet, except that the control will be in the hands of a few corporations, not the government itself, at least until the corporations overtly take over that,as well.
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if only it was simple and if only that was all it did.
Maybe he has a problem with the obvious political corruption and not so much with his torrentz. Do you ever not lie shortly before you hit submit?
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This is just another straw.
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If all the law did was to make copyright infringement more difficult, there would be no real opposition, violent or otherwise.
This law is not that. It won't make copyright infringement that much more difficult, but it does shred a number of fundamental, Constitutionally-protected right. That's why there's so much opposition and it's so vehement.
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If all the law did was to make copyright infringement more difficult, there would be no real opposition, violent or otherwise.
This law is not that. It won't make copyright infringement that much more difficult, but it does shred a number of fundamental, Constitutionally-protected right. That's why there's so much opposition and it's so vehement.
You need to follow the discussion along. Opponents have long conceded the First Amendment issue. They know it was thin to start with and every passing day it get weaker. Today's argument is that DNS blocking will break the internet. But that lie is being debunked before the Judiciary as we speak:
http://www.hightechforum.org/my-dns-filtering-research-before-house-sopa
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Decisions, decisions...
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"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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No it's not cause as you perfectly well know this law if far from simply making stealing harder. BTW, how do you steal digital content?
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A Perfect example is the song about MegaUpload that Universal Media Group immediately tried to have removed from Youtube. They were citing Copyright Infringement, when none had actually taken place. Universal Media group didn't want people viewing the video. Youtube has put the video back up, but if SOPA or Protect IP were in effect, Universal Media Group could have the video pulled for "copyright" infringement" when they don't even have the rights too.
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How about Saudi Arabia...no no no, terrible idea. If I mention my Christian background, let's just say it wouldn't be the best thing for me. Turkey sounds better...nah, they've blocked Youtube before because of a single video...wait a minute...that sounds familiar.
Block a whole website because of one video? Hang on, that's SOPA! In Turkey, it was because of a video that "insulted Turkishness". In America, its because "someone didn't buy the DVD". Stupid reasons both, end result the same.
Other reasons for me not to visit the "land of the free" are the TSA. I want to have a nice plane ride, not be sweating in fear of being sexually assaulted when I get off it. Or of getting on a bus or train and having the same experience. Or if the NDAA passes, of being detained by the US military without charge and without a trial, indefinitely.
Yes, that's right folks. I hereby officially state that the United States of America is now firmly in the same category as Turkey, Saudia Arabia and China. It has become an authoritarian nation, where the populace lives in fear, where crazy laws are used to justify censorship and unjust imprisonment by the state. I will not be visiting the US while this is true.
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My government has the ability to destroy my life through any number of hazily defined laws, they'll soon have the ability to detain me indefinitely through hazily defined acts of "terrorism", and they'll soon be able to monitor my web usage through an overly broad act to fight the bogeyman of piracy.
"..voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Göring
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Roy Blunt sent me back a form letter with BS about 19 million jobs and $135 billion in lost revenue.
But I wouldn't be voting for him regardless.
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Include in your reply that most of the top 10 companies in the US that account for over 1 trillion dollars in market value are against this shit. Also point out that it has been deemed unconstitutional by scholars and experts (don't forget to cite the sources, TD has them on a brilliant opinion piece).
I'd note how hypocrite would be to approve that when the majority is against but it'd probably hurt his feelings.
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http://politics.slashdot.org/story/11/12/18/1836249/sopa-creator-in-tvfilmmusic -industrys-pocket
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Just send the case of Megaupload and how UMG censored a news outlet just because it could even without legal power to do so, which highlights the problems with the DMCA that everybody already knows about it and which will be amplified by something like SOPA that is a censor bill.
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Who are the 40?
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Logan
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/sopa-so-how-much-does-it-cost-to-buy-off-america s-internet-freedom
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Looks like 39 now
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On the Senate Side we have Protect IP Act (PIPA) and the Felony Streaming Bill.
On the House Side we have the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) which is a bastardization of the two bills in the Senate.
While all three bills are bad in their own rights, SOPA is the worst of them all.
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The reason why there are so many bills is to make certain that all the bad things that take away our freedom is covered.
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money trail
http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2011/legacy-media-bankrolling-campaigns-of-SOPA-c onsponsors/
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For full disclosure, I am not American, so I have (almost) no knowledge of the US electoral system.
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However, you might end up going against some obscure election law on either the Federal or state level or possibly both. So the overall legality of it could be questionable.
However, running such a fund raiser yourself might not be such a bad idea.
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List of the 40
Thanks.
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Click on the "Show Cosponsors (40)" link.
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* Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee
* Rep. Mary Bono Mack, California
* Rep. John Carter, Texas
* Rep. Steven Chabot, Ohio
* Rep. Elton Gallegly, California
* Rep. Robert Goodlatte, Virginia
* Rep. Tim Griffin, Arkansas
* Rep. Peter King, New York
* Rep. Thomas Marino, Pennsylvania
* Rep. Alan Nunnelee, Mississippi
* Rep. Dennis Ross, Florida
* Rep. Steve Scalise, Louisiana
* Rep. Lee Terry, Nebraska
* Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee
* Sen. Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire
* Sen. Roy Blunt, Missouri
* Sen. John Boozman, Arkansas
* Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia
* Sen. Thad Cochran, Mississippi
* Sen. Bob Corker, Tennessee
* Sen. Michael Enzi, Wyoming
* Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina
* Sen. Charles Grassley, Iowa
* Sen. Orrin Hatch, Utah
* Sen. John Isakson, Georgia
* Sen. James Risch, Idaho
* Sen. Marco Rubio, Florida
* Sen. David Vitter, Louisiana
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Cosponsors:
Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Kelly Ayotte [R-NH]
Michael Bennet [D-CO]
Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Richard Blumenthal [D-CT]
Roy Blunt [R-MO]
John Boozman [R-AR]
Barbara Boxer [D-CA]
Sherrod Brown [D-OH]
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD]
Robert Casey [D-PA]
Saxby Chambliss [R-GA]
Thad Cochran [R-MS]
Chris Coons [D-DE]
Bob Corker [R-TN]
Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Michael Enzi [R-WY]
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Al Franken [D-MN]
Kirsten Gillibrand [D-NY]
Lindsey Graham [R-SC]
Charles Grassley [R-IA]
Kay Hagan [D-NC]
Orrin Hatch [R-UT]
John Isakson [R-GA]
Tim Johnson [D-SD]
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN]
Herbert Kohl [D-WI]
Mary Landrieu [D-LA]
Joseph Lieberman [I-CT]
John McCain [R-AZ]
Robert Menéndez [D-NJ]
Bill Nelson [D-FL]
James Risch [R-ID]
Marco Rubio [R-FL]
Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Jeanne Shaheen [D-NH]
Tom Udall [D-NM]
David Vitter [R-LA]
Sheldon Whitehouse [D-RI]
Jerry Moran [R-KS] (wi
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Blast them in anyway you can.
I am so mad at the GA dumb-asses that I am going to start a recall movement. Saxby and Isakson will hear from me and WSB tomorrow.
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Here is the Saxby petition.
Hey,
I just signed the petition "Saxby Chambliss: Vote against PROTECT IP " and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name.
Our goal is to reach 100 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here:
http://www.change.org/petitions/saxby-chambliss-vote-against-protect-ip
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1. We tend to think of our Government as corrupt and can be bought.
2. That our Government doesn't care that we think that of them.
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-Sir Terry Pratchett, Going Postal
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Educational Video for Harry Reid
But don't worry, I have found an educational video that should explain it to you at an introductory level. Perhaps one of your staffers could let you borrow their laptop* long enough for you to watch it:
"The Magic School Bus Gets Programmed" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skkHGWN7dk
*Laptop: A computer that is small enough to be portable; indeed, a laptop computer is small enough to rest upon one's lap, hence the name.
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Mike, When has Harry Reid cared about anything...
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Harry Reid. IP Protect.
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It all boils down to control. When they can control what information gets in and gets out, they control everything. What the people will see and hear, what they should and shouldn't think, do and should not do. It's about complete control. And why not? They already control so much already. Why not control it all now?
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Going underground
Nothing.
There will be nothing left for them to control, because from what I understand, there's already a movement to delist sites that are being done right now-by the time this totalitarian government full of pea brains finally figures out that they weren't smart to do it, it will be too late to bring it back.
All advertising outlets gone. They like money? It's done..game over.
All profitable websites, gone. Bye, bye Amazon.
Youtube, gone.
FB gone. Can't talk to anyone.
When all is said and done, it will just magically disappear.
As for me, I'm willing to pull the plug-totally. I'd rather live without the damned thing than to put up with some sneaky sob telling me that I'm a pirate by virtue of clicking on a link.
Then they can all go to hell when RIAA and all those fools finally get the message.
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Enforcing SOPA-style
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MPAA bitches
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NDAA, SOPA, PIPA, Patriot Act (& its Secret Interpretation)
...A NEW PARTY SYSTEM!
If it takes 25 years of lost elections, we will not be at a loss if we all start voting for Greens on the Left and Libertarians on the Right. Wall Street's 2 parties are thoroughly infiltrated and thoroughly corrupt.
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