Dan Bull Raps About How Megaupload Takedown Screws Indie Artists Like Him
from the helping-the-artists? dept
Independent musician Dan Bull, who we've written about a number of times, is one of many independent artists who used Megaupload on purpose, to distribute his own album. All of the links out there to download his album -- which he wanted -- point to Megaupload. And, unfortunately, they now all point to nowhere, because the US government used questionable reasoning to completely shutter the site. So Dan did what Dan does best... he wrote and recorded a song and video about it. Check it out below:Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Dear Lily [Lily Allen]
Dear Mandy [Peter Mandelson]
Home Taping Is Killing Music
Death of ACTA
SOPA Cabana
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Sometimes I wonder how many people like a Dan Bull or a Wil Wheaton actually read Techdirt and how regularly they do so. Or how many of them might be anonymous posters.
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Something funny
Interesting.
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as error messages go, that's pretty terrible.
it's also quite suspicious: other videos work fine.
(of course, it Might just be an excess of viewers overloading the system, but i find that unlikely.)
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psssh that's nothing compared to my favorite general error on any Windows HOME edition (vista, xp, 7) "An error has occured please contact your system administrator." This is a home computer, I am my system administrator jackass
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Another one bites the dust
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Serious question
This is EXACTLY what the MPAA and RIAA wanted.
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Quite obviously. And it will continue to happen...
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Re: Like they did with the Pirate Bay?
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There are plenty. Just look around. I personally think megaupload was one of the better ones (in terms of service) though.
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He can't post his song on YouTube or dump it onto a web site? Are you kidding me, MegaUpload was the indie artists only means of content distribution?
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Filesonic and Fileserve have altered their business model to locking files only to the original uploader.
https://torrentfreak.com/cyberlocker-ecosystem-shocked-as-big-players-take-drastic-action -120123/
Another player has blocked all US ip addresses. Other sites are folding in a panic, ending the ability to share any files, ending affiliate programs, and doing everything to avoid any problems.
So the **AAs have won this round. They managed to kill a huge chunk of the internet which had many uses, because they fear filesharing. These sites complied with the laws and rules, often times going above and beyond and still they find themselves in court with the **AAs just trying to bankrupt them.
Explain again how this benefits society...
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Like Napster... that worked out so well.
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otherwise i'd have to find a way to punch you in the face via the internet... and that would take time and money i don't have.
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Email is too big. USB drives are disabled. How else am I supposed to get files back and forth?
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It doesn't have no value now, but it certainly has less.
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Bill Gates discussed in his book the topic of threshold, reaching a certain tipping point, in the success of technology. But I think that also applies to other areas as well. At some point, the opposition to the content industry will reach a certain threshold (could be a month from now, a year from now, a decade from now - but eventually it will come) and from there it will rapidly collapse. Sadly for them, in their effort to ward off the inevitable, they are actually doing a great deal to accelerate the process.
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However, there are a few questions that beg to be asked. If he really did have substantial illicit dealings that were the source of the greater part of his income, why did he hire a high profile "industry insider" to run the company? Why did he announce plans to launch a competing service, and set up a systems that looked like it stood a good chance of luring some high profile talent away from the major labels? And if his activities were so illicit, why did the industry/government wait until he unfurled plans to basically "go legit" (assuming he was doing wrong in the first place)?
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i still think this whole Mega episode is in retaliation for them having the nerve, the audacity, to go to court over the take down of their video by Universal Music. 2 year investigation, my arse! after being in operation for 7 years, if they were really being such naughty boys, they would have been sued a lot earlier!
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"Unfortunately, this video is not available in Germany because it may contain music for which GEMA has not granted the respective music rights."
...something is really wrong...
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Sorry but Germany is becoming a very good example of what to avoid.
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Antitrust?
I have been wondering about something ever since I read the article on Busta Rhymes. Obviously I don't have all the facts surrounding this, but I have to wonder how involved the RIAA or the labels were in this indictment. Based on other cases, I would assume they were heavily involved. Now if what Busta says is true and artists were using MegaUpload to profit directly from their works independently of the labels, would that not be considered anti-competitive behavior and be in violation to US antitrust laws?
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No.
When "competitive" ISPs agree to fix prices at $35, that used to be a per se violation of Sherman Act § 1. Maybe it still is—in some other industry.
But it's become very clear that DoJ will not apply their own antitrust guidelines when Hollywood wants something.
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But the DoJ is firmly one sided. I was thinking that the Megaupload could countersue the government for violating those laws, but something fills me with trepidation as a judge might nitpick their arguments into nothingness.
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the US still has some of those, right?
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Paywall!!!???!!!
And if you don't pay, you're throttled to a tiny flow.
Fascinating business model. Now that you point out that it's a paywall, I can see some of the advantages.
Now if only they didn't sell other people's content at the same time....
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In his case, he's obsessed with Mike's previous criticism of paywalls as attempted by the NYT and others. He now tries to pretend that any business model that involves payment is not a paywall, and that Mike is a hypocrite because he's able to see advantages to those models not present in those he previous criticised.
As with most "counter arguments" here, it's annoying repetitive and blatantly false, but this keeps them off the streets, I suppose.
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FTFM. Early. Need coffee.
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0/10 - DUDE SERIOUSLY stop posting when your high.
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Consider this reviews:
"Cool, huh? Too bad if you get an error message saying all the slots for your country are full. ... you probably won't be getting your download."
http://www.knowledgesutra.com/discuss/tmtfmm-review-megaupload-file-sharing-service.html
The tiny free pipe was just as much of a paywall as the strongest encryption.
Face it: you're in love with a paywall!
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1) longer link-hosting;
2) more bandwidth for your account: and
3) unlimited downloads.
The service provided was decent, the DMCA responses were quick and they actualy wanted to give money to the artists directly.
Stop trying to say that free doesn't work, and that any charges made are paywalls. It makes you sound like a broken record industry, and makes you look like Special Fred.
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* Free samples/slots: New York Times and MegaUpload
* Charge for unlimited consumption: New York Times and MegaUpload
* Extra features for paying customers: New York Times and MegaUpload
So I think if you say "paywall" for the New York Times, you should say the same for MegaUpload.
But you can live in your own little bubble and deny reality if you like. Just illuminate how you distinguish between the so-called paywall at the New York Times and the wonderful so-called free world at MegaUpload.
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Also, can you name the last time the NYT allowed you to store stuff on their servers? Moreover, can you tell me the last time the NYT's "samples" refreshed each hour, rather than once in a blue moon?
When MU said unlimited, it meant it, and even if you didn't keep on paying them, they kept your files for X period of time over the upload limit. It was a free service that was easy, convenient and useful. The same cannot be said of the NYT online.
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Megaupload didn't provide "samples" of downloads. You could still download the entire file for free.
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This seems to be the argument your making.
As to paying the artists, why would they?
They had not opened their music platform yet, they offered a service for people to upload and share files.
Other people seemed able to use the service with never paying them anything, so your mostly just blowing the smoke from your bong up your own.. nevermind.
Encyrption, paywall, pipe...
0/10 - DUDE STOP POSTING WHEN YOUR HIGH! Your messing up the buzz words from your talking points email.
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MegaUpload builds a mansion and a car collection worthy of being in the 1%- nay the 0.1%. They charge you for decent access to the content. They even make you suckers curate it.
Then you sit around and defend the money grubbing and pretend that it's all "free".
I tell you what. I'm going to host "free" job training at my house. In it, I'm going to "crowd source" the training by giving more "mod points" to the best painters of the fence in my backyard. Then I'm going to charge the people who want want the best sections of the fence to paint. Isn't it nice of me? Some trade schools charge a lot for job training, but I'm going to let you paint my fence for free. And make sure you do a good job or I'll take away your mod points.
See ya all this Saturday. And be there right at 9am or I'll take away mod points.
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MU earned the money, didn't have it dropped in their lap by birthright. Didn't get it after destroying the global financial system, didn't get it by polluting the planet, didn't get it in hundreds of other ways. They earned it.
They arrested the companies graphic designer, this is about trying to terrorize.
Thanks for playing, but your having a hard time coming off as believable.
1/10 I gave you a pity point so maybe you'll go away and indulge in self abuse while the grownups talk.
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Remember the mantra: no-one deserves to get paid.
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And I can also see the size of that house. I'm sure that a substantial number of people weren't able to get the free service that you describe.
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Like, for example, the first draft of a novel I'm working on.
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So, just as you ignore everything we say, you accept us ignoring everything you say.
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Advertising. wait is advertising a paywall in your mind now too Bob?
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It gave people access to share their own files on the site. Then it charged for scarcities such as faster download/upload speeds and gave an affiliate program to those that wanted to make their own music.
The "accounting" scheme you were talking about was trying to give artists more than labels, which is why the RIAA is bitching a fit.
The "throttling" wasn't a tiny flow. I've used the site. It was easy to get around some of the artificial paywalls and watch content or set up new content by yourself. It was entirely your choice as the consumer.
Now the government took that away. They took access away for millions of users who had legitimate backups and files that the government seized. This is far worse than the government seizing a book store. This is the government raiding a legitimate site that people used for legitimate files because less than 10% shared movies.
And the chilling effects of SOPA are felt right here with this destructive censorship of a business that did its best to conform with the DMCA. It's time to sit down and take away copyright enforcement. It does no good and a helluva lot of harm.
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Get a clue. You're sitting around moping about the end of a paywall.
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Riiiiiiight.
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Had my son check with is college buddys, they report no problems, and say they all used it heavily. Several of them were on filesonic when it switched policies too.
Sorry bob, you are creating fiction when you claim "most people had trouble".
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I cannot wait until these people that don't get technology die off.
They are always trying to wrap terminology and situations into a single little package, and it's just not the way technology works.
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Since you seem to be some sort of authority on this, please tell us what your methodology was - what was the sample size? Were the respondents self-selected, or was it a randomized survey? What were the questions? How did you adjust for any reporting bias (such as recall/memory or attention biases ) that could have occured?
I'm certain someone with your posting history wouldn't possibly be saying something that can't be corroborated with evidence, so please post what you have here so that we can all see how wrong we are.
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You paid to access files because you didn't want to wait, so your nuts are in a bunch because that Nigerian Prince didn't come through with the money so your mad at MU rather than at yourself for being a freaking moron.
0/10 - I bet you have lots of problems getting a slot unless you pay upfront.
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You're a fucking idiot.
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No he isn't.
He is a Big fucking idiot!
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Independent musicians...
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and with wrongfully granted government established cableco and broadcasting monopolies/cartels, outside of the Internet, content creators have little choice but to go through a government established monopolist gatekeeper to get their content distributed. This hurts musicians, it hurts content creators and the public, it only helps the middlemen. and the government established media cartels want to do to the Internet exactly what they have managed to accomplish outside the Internet, to scam artists and the public alike.
If this is the harm IP is going to cause artists and society I say we abolish these laws. These laws are only intended to help the middleman, no one else. Abolish them.
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Their lifestyle will do what needs to be done.
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Megaupload removal is killing music!!!!
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The public pays to get access to pirated material, plain and simple. Some of that income is used to allow artists like Bull a place to put their stuff. Without the pirated material, the file locker site wouldn't be able to make the money to support Bull's flawed business model.
Kim dotcom didn't make 150 million off of guys like Dan Bull. He made it off of pirated material, plain and simple.
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Now, if you'd like to bring some more information to the fore about why Kim is responsible we can talk about that. With just what you said so far there's not a whole lot of substance, just a whole lot of misplaced blame, opinion, and stupidity.
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You cannot stop nature.
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I am not exactly sure how it worked, but I think you are wrong.
The public was paying. Not with cash, but with eyeballs. From what I understand, MegaUpload payed the uploaders for files that were downloaded many times (ie: lots of eyeballs on the ads on the download pages). This was money from all the eyeballs on the ads. This is a win-win for the Indie artist - tons of exposure and the more your stuff is downloaded, the more money you make.
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I wasn't aware Mega was selling content at all.
The few times I downloaded stuff from Mega and I had to click through a couple few ad pages to get to the download I naturally assumed they were in the advertisement selling business.
And it wasn't just guys like Dan Bull either - seems like some pretty big hip hop artists were using this site to make money by distributing their own works outside of label control.
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It's your side's logic. Why pay for what is free?
There just isn't 150 million bucks to be had there.
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A: They can provide a distribution platform for many artists who can gain recognition from the service and use it as part of their business model to make money. This helped artists, it didn't hurt them.
B: They likely made most of their money from non-infringing material.
and if, as you say, music was only such a small part of their money making endeavors and people can find other (though less efficient) ways to spread non-infringing music and certainly more efficient ways to spread infringing music (since this site did respond to DMCA takedowns and made efforts to remove infringing content) then there is little point in taking down megaupload, as you seem to admit.
"This isn't Fantasy Island... wake up!"
No, your presented arguments are strawmen because your position is intellectually bankrupt.
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The answer: People won't pay for it. The business model doesn't work in the current situation.
When you remove the illegal part of the business, the rest of it fails.
No, your presented arguments are strawmen because your position is intellectually bankrupt.
You are unable to explain why nobody is using this business model without the pirated material. I would say it's fantasy island, and you are ignoring reality.
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They are doing it without the pirated material as the draw. What evidence do you have that pirated material is being used to draw people? None, whatsoever. It's something you entirely made up on your own and are assuming guilt until proven innocent. Yes, pirated material gets sneaked in occasionally, but they respond to DMCA and infringement takedown notices and take it down. But it costs money and resources and time to take it down and it's not practical to police all of the material all at once when several hours or even days of content gets uploaded per minute.
"You are unable to explain why nobody is using this business model without the pirated material."
You are unable to explain how service providers like Youtube and others are supposed to perfectly police all of their content when days of content gets uploaded per minute. You are unable to explain how they are to magically know what constitutes infringing material when IP holders are not required to provide for a way to reference their material for detection.
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The overwhelming majority of what they host is likely legal. Again, they respond to DMCA and infringement takedown notices, are you seriously suggesting that the tiny fraction of infringing content that occasionally leaks through (and likely gets taken down) is what draws the majority of audience and hence their income? Do you have any evidence for that or are you just going to assume that people are guilty until proven innocent.
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Because they can't prevent what their users upload, genius. They have no way of policing the number of uploads they get. It's up to the copyright holders, instead, to find their material if it's unauthorized, then issue the DMCA notice to Megaupload.
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MegaUpload wasn't exactly unaware of what was going on on their site. Read the indictments. To make the analogy accurate, the post office would have to field your complaint about the lost shipment of cocaine and the post master general send out an e-mail saying they need to improve the care on shipments of cocaine because sometimes the baggies are getting cut and it's leaking out before delivery.
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I'm not convinced. A large amount of visitors does not equate to illegal activity. I'll reserve my judgment until after the facts of the case present themselves.
Music is small and easily seeded over torrents. Why pay for access to Mega to get the music that is all over the place anyway?
Umm. To support the artists who were getting paid directly for uploading their own works.
It's your side's logic. Why pay for what is free?
No, that is your side's twisted logic. I pay for plenty of things I could obtain for free. Cable TV (I pay twice there, once for service and again with eyeballs on ads), Netflix, satellite radio, traditional radio (ears on ads, instead of eyes), etc. etc...
There just isn't 150 million bucks to be had there.
Once again, I'll wait for more information before I judge the situation. I'm really not the type to convict a suspect before there is an actual trial and all.
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No no no people WANT copyright material, they fucking need it. We spend hundreds of millions telling them they want and need it so thats what they are getting. I didn't spend 70 million last year telling them to by Dan Bull stuff so the don't want Dan Bull, why can't you people understand that people only want stuff that has a commercial and nothing else is valid or desired.
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and Dan was uploading music videos, which aren't as small as music by itself.
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No that's your sides logic. That once something is free money can't be made on it anymore. Our side is happy to support artists we like.
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Are you seriously suggesting that they made the majority of their money from infringing content? You haven't presented any evidence for that. Being that you haven't it is likely they didn't. People are innocent until proven guilty, if you want to claim guilt then the burden is on you to substantiate.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iogIhzTtKEk&feature=youtu.be
The Injustice for All..Summary Mis Judgment Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdHjrd4P9Rs&NR=1&feature=fvwp) , documented the LEGAL ISSUES involved in the alleged illegal and Unconstitutional dismissals of Independent artists’ Copyright Infringement cases against multimillionaires/their companies/distributors.
In addition, the article “Death of Copyright… The Perfect Storm" written by Attorney Steven T. Lowe statistically validated our accusations of Injustice within the federal judicial system where he stated “In the last 20 years, in the Second and Ninth Circuits and the lower courts within those circuits, 48 copyright infringement cases against studios or networks were litigated to final judgment. In all 48 cases, the victors were the studio and network defendants. Most of the cases were determined by a grant of Summary Judgment;" Lowe stated that 46/48 copyright cases, 96% of all cases, IN 20 YEARS, NEVER SAW A JURY in two of the biggest circuits in the United States! Summary Judgment is simply, “allegedly” Stealing…In the Name of the Law!
Should Hollywood continue being protected from adhering to the same anti-piracy rules they now have attempted (but have since failed)to influence Congress to,once again, enact into law?
Let’s see who will take the same stand for THEIR constituents that has previously, effortlessly and continuously been taken for Hollywood.
Help Save Independent Artists… One Nation...indivisible? with Liberty...AND SOPA AND PIPA FOR ALL!…WE ARE THE 99%. Independent Artists, our children and our children’s children can NEVER allow for Copyright to DIE!
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Re: The Pot calls the Kettle Black- ..AND Justice, SOPA and Pipa for All
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