The Internet Begins Discussing What To Do With Its New Found Powers
from the use-'em-in-good-health dept
Even before last week's "uprising" by the internet, lots of people had been talking about how the larger internet generation needed to be more engaged in policy issues. This was part of the very reason that I helped start the new organization Engine Advocacy over the past couple months -- because of the belief of a group of folks that there needed to be a conduit of education both between the wider "internet" and policy makers... and in reverse. Along those lines, you can't imagine how thrilling it's been over the past few days to see hundreds of people suddenly coming to similar realizations. There has been a deluge of posts from people (many of them, it appears, coming out entirely independent of one another) in the wake of the delay of SOPA and PIPA, discussing the same key things:- This was an astounding demonstration of what the internet can do in the policy space, and we should not let it die, but leverage what came together for more.
- This shouldn't just be reactive to things like SOPA/PIPA, but it should be a positive, proactive, long-term force for good going forward.
- We should start discussing what kinds of positive goals we can reach for immediately.
- Joel Spolsky, with some policy ideas and a suggestion for getting around Congressional corruption by having internet companies give free online ad space to politicians who run "respectable" campaigns.
- Fred Wilson, suggesting we need an entirely new framework for thinking about copyright issues.
- Smari McCarthy, worrying that the response to SOPA/PIPA was too strong (I disagree), but also noting the need to be much more proactive going forward.
- Rick Falkvinge, also talking about going on the offensive for freedom of speech online.
- Mark McKenna, also pointing out that it's time to revisit existing copyright law and raise questions about whether it needs to be ratcheted back, rather than forward.
- Reddit user ColtonProvias tries to create organization out of chaos.
- Reddit user birdomics looks at creating a new political party for the internet -- called the Internet Party (which others suggest already exists in the form of the Pirate Party).
I've also seen a number of discussions about people trying to set up an "internet super PAC" or something similar. For what it's worth on that, apparently one already exists, and I know of at least two other attempts currently underway to create similar super PACs. I'm also pretty sure that the folks over at Demand Progress already have a super PAC.
Tons of people don't want to let this feeling go, and very much want to push forward. That's really exciting. I'm especially thrilled about the unbridled optimism seen at community sites like Reddit -- even if it's sometimes misguided (and a little too frequently, misinformed) -- because it's going to take a kind of unbridled optimism to overcome the forces that are working against such things. I know lots of people have mocked the Reddit community for jumping into things headfirst without getting its facts straight, but it's that same sort of optimistic spirit that lets the community jump into projects that otherwise objective people would claim are "impossible." Hell, getting GoDaddy to change its position, and even the big internet blackout (which really started on Reddit), were two ideas that most folks would have insisted would have never worked just two months ago. And yet they did.
On top of that, I'm thrilled to see most of this all bubbling up publicly and online -- rather than being sorted out secretly in backrooms. This should be a public discussion. And while -- as with any public discussion -- it leads to a few cringeworthy moments where people who don't know what they're talking about run wild with ideas that don't make sense, that's part of where good ideas come from. The fact that lots of people are chiming in and sharing their thoughts may seem chaotic to an outside world, but out of it, I expect to see some amazing things come together. That, by itself, really is part of the power of the internet -- the fact that this doesn't need to be top-down and organized, but can build itself organically. It may be messy, but I expect we'll see some impressive things come out of it.
I will have lots more to say about all of this going forward, but for those who are jumping into these discussions here and elsewhere, I have three suggested points that I think should drive these discussions, though I have no idea if others will agree:
- Any regulation that impacts the internet needs to be data driven rather than faith-based. I've been banging this drum for ages. The evidence used to support copyright expansionism for centuries has been suspect. Yet, when one industry makes claims, politicians seem to take them at face value. That needs to stop. A key guiding point for those driving any kind of "internet agenda" going forward should be a reliance on actual, credible data. James Boyle and William Patry have both written books that highlight this, and if you haven't read them, you should.
Thankfully, the UK is actually leading the way (somewhat) here, thanks to the mostly good Hargreaves report (which Boyle worked on), which the UK government has said it intends to follow. Unfortunately, while it says that, so far the actual actions when it comes to laws have remained faith-based.
Some will claim that you can come up with data to support just about anything -- and to some extent that's true. But I think that it's possible for rational people to look closely at research and data and come to reasonable conclusions -- while figuring out when to dismiss conclusions that are clearly bunk or created through pure extrapolation or bad assumptions. Either way, the fact that plenty of legislation gets proposed and passed without any real evidence of a need is a huge problem. - We need to recognize that the internet, free speech and copyright are all connected. One of the tricks for trying to pass SOPA/PIPA (and successfully passing previous bills like the ProIP Act) was to pretend that these were just laws about "arcane" legal issues like copyright -- something that "no one cares about." But in an age where (thanks to bad copyright law changes) everything you create is pretty much subject to copyright, combined with computers and networks whose main job is copying works -- we've reached a point where it's ridiculous to think that you can regulate copyright or the internet without impacting free speech.
There has been a growing recognition of this, including an excellent book by Neil Netanel, and another by David Lange & Jefferson Powell, in which the conflict between copyright and free speech is discussed at length. Unfortunately, the courts have yet to really recognize this issue. The Supreme Court's ruling in Eldred nearly a decade ago is a pretty big problem here, not recognizing how the expansion of copyright law, combined with the internet, really has made copyright law and the First Amendment much more entwined. The Supreme Court completely ignores that based on some very silly reasoning -- and that ruling has lived on to haunt us until today -- such as with the Golan ruling, which came out the exact same day as the internet SOPA/PIPA protests.
People who live online recognize the inherent conflict between today's copyright laws and free speech -- and recognize the risks of harming free speech through copyright expansionism. But because the two laws barely conflicted for quite some time, those who don't understand the internet pretend that there's no conflict at all. That's a problem. Part of the reason why the SOPA/PIPA efforts worked was because people inherently recognized an attack on their free speech rights. Keeping the focus on such rights is the only way efforts to be proactive and move forward will work. - Don't be confined by what's been done or how others do things. While I'm not against the idea of these sorts of "internet super PACs," something about them feels very... old school. Similarly, I've heard talk of efforts to "hire a lobbyist" for "the internet." Perhaps these things need to be done, but I worry if those become the sole focus of the strategy, because it seems to be playing into the thinking of "the way things are done" in DC today. It's way too easy to be co-opted into the system if you play by their rules.
The reason that the protests worked (so far) was because we didn't "play by the rules." We came together incredibly organically (and chaotically at times -- and sometimes didn't come together at all, as different people and groups just did different things). If this effort is going to turn into something more powerful going forward, it needs to keep some of that same spirit and thinking. It can't just squeeze itself into the way things are done in DC today, or it will become "just another super PAC" or "just another lobbyist." That's not useful or productive.
I'd really like to see a lot more out-of-the-box thinking, about how we can actually use the tools of the internet to make a difference, rather than looking at how we can use the tools of DC to join the crowd.
Either way, it really was just only a few weeks ago that I talked about the amazing power of people speaking up and actually making a difference. I didn't realize we'd see it show up in such a large scale and with such effectiveness so quickly, however. The trick now is to keep it going.
There's obviously much more that can and should be done (and can and should be talked about), and I'll certainly be talking about much more. But with so many different ideas flowing around, I thought it would be best to start with a few key principles, and then move on from there.
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internet party
I think trying to come up with a polite name lets us distract ourselves from the gravity of the situation. Pirate Party already exists, this is just the sign that it needs to be globalized and needs way more support.
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When you strip all of this back and it turns out to be a bunch of under 25s, with no skin in the game, mostly upset because they can't get what they want right now for nothing, it becomes hard to take them seriously.
The few adults in the group are basically riding it for all is worth. There are only a few people with real ideals in play here, most of the rest at band wagon players. It's just like Occupy Wall Street, a great small idea that got big, got taken over by the whiners and people looking for a free lunch, and turned to shit.
Good luck with your power, and don't forget to get to class so you can learn about the real world after.
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The internet has become what it is only because of that "messy factor," that is, allowing the people to create, spread information and put forth new ideas. If not for the openness which the internet provides, the things we take for granted would simply not exist.
"The evidence used to support copyright expansionism for centuries has been suspect. Yet, when one industry makes claims, politicians seem to take them at face value. That needs to stop."
So long as they keep sending their lobbyists with fat checks to Washington, there's little chance that they'll cease to conjure up newfangled methods to putting a muzzle over the internet.
"People who live online recognize the inherent conflict between today's copyright laws and free speech -- and recognize the risks of harming free speech through copyright expansionism. But because the two laws barely conflicted for quite some time, those who don't understand the internet pretend that there's no conflict at all."
Since a lot of people still rely on big media to interpret these things for them, obfuscating their intentional power grab as some sort of moral quagmire, there will continue to be a segment of society dissonant with the reality of how the internet works. It's fully possible for both free speech and copyright to co-exist, but not when the latter is being abused in an effort to squash the former.
"For folks backing this fight, you need to recognize that it won't always be successful. Hell, even with everything that happened, most people still don't recognize just how close a battle this was, and just how likely it was that PIPA was going to pass this week until the very last second."
If we take the internet for granted, we'll all regret it in the end. SOPA/PIPA are just the latest attempts to hijack the internet. The other side has already won one important victory: they've managed to create a chilling effect which impacted many data-storage service providers. Until we can prevent the blatant corporate bribery full-stop, this war against the internet is going to continue.
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.. The few adults basically riding it for all is worth
.. a few people with real ideals in play here
..and every GOP candidate
..and the entire tech industry
Its amazing that you can be so generic, yet still so incorrect. That takes a special kind of talent.
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Until I got past this part, I thought you were talking about supporters of the bill.
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If you want to wash your hands of this new kind of activism, go right ahead. We'll try to protect your rights along with our own.
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I've wondered about electing a truly representative Congressman.
How hard would it be to setup a webpage for constituents to vote on upcoming legislation. Put the text of the bill and congressman's opinion of the bill and let the people he represents vote on how he should vote. Put yea or nay buttons and you would get a consensus of your voters including those who choose to abstain by not voting. I understand that there would be plenty of bugs to work out like limiting voting to your actual constituents and such. Also getting elected in the first place would be pretty difficult since the candidate wouldn't be able to promise anything to those with the money.
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Focus on Cause rather than Symptom
The focus should be (at least) two fold initially. Force congress to correct the Supreme Courts egregious error in allowing corporations free speech. Force congress to remove money from politics by entirely funding all election processes, and quieting group think interference.
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And there are others I am in touch with and they are in their 40's plus for age.So much for your bunch of young people.
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How about this, Government by the People.
Government by the People... All major decisions involving how our government is run, must go thru an internet vote. Based upon that vote is what happens. It will create a more transparent government. By holding our representatives to being representatives of us the people. Topics could include.
1) Should we increase educational funding for public schools, or spend the money bring democracy to other countries like we did with Iraq and Afghanistan.
2) Should the DOJ be allowed to use tax payer money to go after websites, or should they be using the money for actual DOJ work.
3) Should TSA be allowed to see people naked, or do we accept a possible risk to keep our children from being groped.
4) Do we want people (Americans and Others) to be detained indefinetly without trial for accusations brought by someone.
5) Economy is crap, people are hungry and homeless. Do we want to spend trillians on the next war plane. Or take care of our own.
Imagine it, a truly democratic government where each voice has an equal vote. All those millions being invested into lobbying could be used for innovation. The people would have the power of voice, not the hired person. And change would most definetely be for the better, as younger generations become the majority of voice for change. And get rid of the its always been done that way. Instead of all the extra priveledges that our government officals have, they would be held accountable just like the rest of us. And if they failed to do their job of listening to those on the internet, they would be given a 2 week notice to find another job.
This is Capt ICE Enforcer, Hopefull not to get a pink slip.
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Ireland has already started it's own petition about similar laws:
http://stopsopaireland.com/
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It's interesting. I'll be following what happens. And sticking my nose along with all the millions that will follow with this newly found awareness.
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At the same time I am able to step back and look at the entire system and question it. These laws are broken and being abused. There is no reason for copyright to last as long as it does now.
Most of these laws were made while overly focused on something. The result is that when you look at all the laws together you begin to see the over all system is screwed up. Like was pointed out in another post. If some breaks into your home and robs you blind they will likely get a few months and maybe a small fine. Someone downloading music gets tossed in jail and fined millions.
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Yeah. The younger generation should have absolutely no say in their own future. It's absurd to think that way.
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I disagree. We should focus deeply into a single point, steamroll it, and quickly switch to the next one. Being too diffuse disperses the energy.
Given how deeply interconnected everything is, no matter which single points you focus on first, you will soon end up attacking the core issues (which might even not be what you thought they were initially). But you would be doing so from a stronger position than if you decided to attack them first with no previous victories behind you.
You can see that kind of strategy happening in the current events even. First was the GoDaddy boycott. After that one was won (by GoDaddy publicly and quickly backpedaling), the community quickly switched to a more general blackout day, which seems it also won (we'll see when today ends). The victory with GoDaddy showed people that attempting the blackout was not futile and could work.
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Obama has made a number of errors. He is the current Chief Executive and is therefore responsible for much of the Executive departments current behavior. Think TSA, ICE, DHS, and DOJ.
What about the intransigence of congress? Won't confirm new department heads or judges. Won't pass a decent budget. Won't do anything without extreme partisanship, though they cry "this is bi-partisan" while siding with their fellow party members and corporate funders, rather than listening to their constituency.
I have no expectations that the next president will have any better results, no matter what party they belong to.
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The informed debate I'm seeing on facebook and blogs is people discussing how Internet users were used and manipulated by Google for it's own corporate interests.
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Simply because it throws everything onto the wall and you end up seeing patterns that you couldn't have imagined alone, it is great, although 99% is just garbage, but the 1% of ideas that rises to the top just gets better and better.
Is like natural selection but with ideas, people start with silly ones and they start to evolve, people make fun of the ideas and the mocked ones find new routes or die and let it go.
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All things connected
I would actually go further than that Mike. As a result of the digitization of information the drastic reduction in cost and friction around creating, distributing, aggregating and combining content (whether this be copyrighted material, personally identifiable information, software code, etc...), has thrown most of our economic, regulatory, social, and legal constructs into disarray. The oft used "paradigm shift" has never been more evident than in these past 7 yrs. We keep trying to describe what's happening online to physical world metaphors, but these are no longer working hence it's getting more and more difficult to understand what's happening.
Whether it be copyright and patent issues, privacy issues, secrecy issues, funding issues, all of these are no longer what they once were and indeed we need to rethink the structures of the various systems for how we move ahead. I find it tough to discuss copyright issues in a bubble that doesn't include a discussion on the free-flow of private info (or for that matter, what the heck does "private info" mean?).
Just some additional thoughts to include in your mix.
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It isn't that they shouldn't have a say about their future. Rather, it's a question of the old squeaky wheel. A small group of people made a huge amount of noise, and got attention. But as always, it's 1-2% telling the rest of us what to do, because they are the loudest, not because they are right.
Look at the numbers:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
24% of the overall population is under 18. But they also represent an even larger percentage of the internet population. So you don't have to go far to find out where the noise is coming from.
The real power of the internet is to shout people down. Most of the shouters however either don't vote (only about 50% of under 30s bother to vote) or are under 18 and cannot vote.
So they have a say in their future, but their say isn't more than anyone elses.
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You may be right, that I have not identified the correct root causes, that remains to be seen. Attacking symptoms first will lead to (possibly) many wrong paths and waste a whole lot of time and resources.
Think about it this way. Lets say you have the symptoms of a cold or flue. You go to the doctor and the doctor gives you cough medicine and an antihistamine. Then, when the cold or flue does not go away, you find out that you actually have something much worse. Did the exercise of treating symptoms actually help? Is that they way you want to fix these issues? Would you trust that doctor as much in the future?
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The informed debate I'm seeing on facebook
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Although, I'd be just as happy with Wil Wheaton.
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Science fiction is history that hasn't happened yet.
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Apropos of nothing
'I see, fetch my shotgun.'
'Newt?'
'Well Sarah, it's not like I can divorce you.'
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Old Politicians ... Old Methods
The RIAA/MPAA and others are only concentrating on the old gang and that is where the new Internet Liberation Front (ILF) comes in. By understanding that there is a need to listen to both sides and come up with a compromise that is reasonable to both parties, the ILF can gather bipartisan support from both new and old politicians.
It's not one or the other, it's both.
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I admire Kennedy regarding the moon-landing for the reason that he set a 10 year goal, despite knowing that'd he could only be in office for no more than 8.
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If advocacy could change things...
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What jurisdiction would you like me to run in?
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Wrong. The real power of the internet is the ability to research into issues and view them from all sides. This is a huge shift from traditional media where one sided declarations were held as the gospel truth. Your pessimistic views of everyone as sheep blindly following the shiny objects shown to them are outdated. The Information Age is upon us and has empowered a new generation to think for themselves. Get on board or get run over, your choice.
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Occupy Movement
Its an interesting case of multiple discovery in the development of political movements. Hopefully, no one patents it.
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14 million people (17 million by another estimate) is not a small group of people.
But, you know, facts are not your strong suit.
Btw, what happened to your promise (less than a month ago) to "leave Techdirt forever"?
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Be careful with your analogies: what we are going against are not mere symptoms, they are part of the problem, even if they are not the root causes. For instance, SOPA/PIPA are much more than mere symptoms - they by itself would do a lot of damage (the damage, itself, would then be the symptoms). In your doctor example, if one root cause (say a big wound) caused another intermediate problem (say an infection), both causing the symptoms, I hope the doctor would treat both the root cause (the wound) and the intermediate problem (the infection)! And perhaps he could not treat the wound properly while it was still infected.
As for the root causes here, I also do not know whether you have identified the correct root causes. I do not pretend to know enough of the complex interactions of the chaotic system we live in to know whether they are some of the root causes, some intermediate cause, or even a symptom which would go away once the real causes are solved.
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Data Driven Regulation
There are numerous examples of MPAA/RIAA loss estimates being legitimately debunked by learned individuals and prestigious institutions. The bad (overblown) MPAA/RIAA estimates resulted in bad (overreaching) bills. This isn't unique to just SOPA/PIPA or the MPAA/RIAA industries. It seems to be business as usual in Washington, where any industry who contributes a lot of money to a campaign fund can get any legislation passed using false information.
We have a lot of work ahead of us to try to change this behavior. See the petition a whitehouse.gov requesting validation of the MPAA/RIAA industry loss estimates, and please sign it if you agree!
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I like the idea of a MC Congress website in a way. Make one for senators as well.
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All we wanted was just a place to go to relax for a while, without having to leave home.
You stirred the hornets nest by trying to dip your toes in to try to regulate where it doesn't belong.
This has nothing to do with wanting something for nothing. This has everything to do with not having to hear the bitching, moaning, pissing, whinefest that Big Content, Big Media, Big Politicians have become.
All we wanted was a place that would fill our wants/needs without having to jump through hoops and what not.
That's what the Internet is for.
Get off my lawn.
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I would say Hockeytown, but you'll never do that. Lol.
Hell, if you ran anywhere, I'd seriously think about moving there just to vote for you.
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I'd like to see a continued focus and an increasingly organized effort to call politicians and companies out on their BS that won't hit the major media. Putting pressure on these people with the internet community and information tools feels like the only way to really make a real change.
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CPR, it is what the old industries need.
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You spelled "give people a voice and scare the crap out of legacy companies who have traditionally had control over access to such channels" wrong.
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Campaign Finance Reform- 28th Ammendment
http://wiki.lessig.org/Declaration4Independence
http://wiki.lessig.org/Article_V_Conve ntion
http://wiki.lessig.org/The28th
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Even if this were true (I disagree), I'd rather have millions engaged in a genuine discussion about their future liberties than a few thousand dictating the future by spending 94 million dollars and writing up their own laws.
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Some wise words of guidance
(Does that work? Well...we built an Internet on that very basis.)
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1) Politician checks - Use the internet, user state registration (checked against an individual's personal records in govt holding) to reach out to states for congressmen that are causing trouble in a bad way. For example, during the SOPA/PIPA debacle, reach out to the people of states whose congressmen support that legislation and ask them to weigh in through polls and votes that only their state can participate in. Not 100% accurate (VPN services, identify theft, etc), but accurate enough. Then you can go back to the congressman, in public, and say "Hey, your constituents do not want this" or "Hey, your contituents do want this" and publically show they are not representing their people.
2) Take on the media - The media in incredibly biased and the internet allows for politicians to take on that bias with a huge force. Imagine if the President kept a blog. The media would be all over that. Now imagine if in the blog the president said "The text of the law I'm asking for says this. Anyone who says otherwise is misinterpretting or misrepresenting my words" and then not only do media really need to follow that as fact, but if they don't (hi fox news!) then the public- who has access to the SAME EXACT SOURCE INFO- will know where the truth lies. The internet has the power to keep politicians and media honest.
3a) Using the internet as a means of negotiating with big content - When was the last time anyone asked the RIAA/MPAA in public why they cannot move to a different business model that leverages the internet? I would totally show, in public, how the internet could be used for newage business models with streaming music and movies AT A FAIR PRICE and how it cuts back on piracy. The end result will be either they don't participate (they look bad), they said it's a good idea and they actually try it (praise jebus), or they admit that profits would not be high enough..... and thus it's about the benjamins, not the people.
3b) Establish a "society for the arts"-like foundation/scholarship where, say, $10 million a year could be given to new and upcoming young artists of all varieties in all categories with the express purpose of creating content and getting known. Promotion of the arts by giving grants to artists to get their names out there through the internet. The through the internet piece is key because we're trying to promote bands or movie makers or painters or whomever to as large an audience as possible. Content created through this program would be subject to a MUCH shorter copyright term (since it was govt funded), but 10 or even 20 years is plenty long to establish or fade away.
4) Create a resource for tracking all lobbying/donations made to any public figure. We have something like this already, but it's lame and needs to be redone with more readily accessible info. Sometimes that way the info is presented and the ease which it's able to be accessed is just as important as the info itself.
5) Anything that reminds people that the internet is about free speech and expression. For the first time in history, the world is at everyone's fingertips. It calls for a new age of diplomacy, a new recognition that we are the human race and not just a selection of nations. We are all connected and there is beauty/magic is being able to see live video of a wife/child/etc from the other side of the planet.
And that's just a start. The internet gives us so much potential for change and progress. Who knows what will happen in the next 4 years before I can become president? :)
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Another great shot at not respecting anonymous posting. You are a TOTAL FUCKER.
How's Step 2 going there chubby?
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The RIAA/MPAA speaks up for its corporate interests? Those interests don't even align with the interests of its own artists (with Hollywood Accounting in place).
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Abramoff is a rare opportunity now - unique, in fact - and not taking advantage of it would be a shame.
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Why not just tell us who you really are, so we can dig some dirt on you? Oh, wqait, because you're a frightened little infant whinging about others and actually doing nothing to solve problems.
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It isn't that they shouldn't have a say about their future. Rather, it's a question of the old buys club. A small group of people made a huge amount of campaign contributions, and got a bill introduced. But as always, it's 1-2% telling the rest of us what to do, because they are the richest, not because they are right.
Look at the numbers:
http://gizmodo.com/5877352/surprise-senators-with-huge-campaign-contributions-from-media -support-sopapipa
The media industry is about the size of the pet-supply industry. But because of their lobbying efforts and their position as the gate-keepers of information they have a disproportionate influence on lawmakers.
The real power of the MPAA is to outspend everyone else. Most of the members however are just interested in furthering their own business interests at the expense of everyone else.
So they have a say in our future, but their say shouldn't be more than anyone else's.
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Your post boils away all of the irrelevancies leaving only the important things that really matter to all of us on both sides who love freedom and want to see the internet come to its full potential as a global communications medium.
Thank you.
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This is one area where public awareness is far too low. Too many people think that copyright still only applies to registered works and fail to realize that viewing something on-line implicates that reproduction right. Among those that do understand that, many may believe that the First Amendment would bar any use of copyright for censorship.
That's part of what made the SOPA/PIPA debate so interesting. There was much more widespread discussion about the censorship and free speech implications than you usually see in any popular discussion of copyright. I would suggest that the next logical move is to draw awareness to the dangers of copyright creating a private right of censorship. If we can get people to understand that free speech does not begin and end with the First Amendment, then maybe we can encourage some more critical analysis of new copyright law.
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The internet has become a superhero! Look out, legacy media industries, it's Digital Man! Digital Man has powers of mass communication and instant replication, as well as a utility belt full of awareness increasers, shillbusters, netarangs, anti-FUD mines, data packets, and discussion facilitators! Trolls beware! Digital Man is here!
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that is the opposite of what you are suppose to do to trolls
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I will add:
A note of caution regarding the Internet Party's Creedo:
A pure democracy can be very dangerous.
Therefore, some form of guided moderation or guiding principles not to be incorporated at its foundation.
I don't know how one would formulate the fuzzy logic required to quantify "Practical Reasoning", my substitute for "common sense", which is neither common nor requisitly sensecle.
Practicle resoning doesn't imply pure logic.
Practicle reasoning isn't purely numbers driven, nor purely scientific.
Practicle reasoning respects the principles of sprituality, without mandating religeous ideologies.
Practicle reasoning respects a wide range of perspectives, offering consideration of priority, or specifically - how important is it.
The essence of my style of practicle reasoning is conideration for the bigger picture, not just the greater number.
This beggs the question of how would one stike the most worthy balance between: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and "The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many"?
I believe that honour and integrity must be the first two foundation stones of the Internet Party.
Recognition of the Bill of Rights as the main facilitator and guiding factor should fit squarely between those foundation stones.
How the party (or parties) frames the details of the Bill of Rights, regardless of it being strictly the U.S. version or a more inclusive mash-up of other countries input could be negotiable.
The goal of the party should include developing an envelope, a bottom line that must be met, a ceiling that shouldn't be breached without a concensus.
The lateral boundaries should allow for creating flexable, meaningful, and enforcable boundries that repsect individuals and communites over entrapenures and corporations, placing principles above personalites for the greater good.
Respect for the Sovernty of Nations should be defined.
The Internet Parties should not be the foundation of A New World Order, nor a One World Government, but rather it should be a foundation for standards that reflects local needs.
The forums of the Internet Parties should be founded on the principle that bad ideas and bad speech should be countered with good speech and better ideas.
The forums should not foster anarchy for the sake of pure individulism but rather foster tolerance for the sake of percolating alternatives, choices, and solutions.
Pushing for simpiler guiding principles rather than detailed laws seems like an effective means for accomplishing these goals.
Perhaps these ideals are too lofty, but a unified world government seems too dangerous, too expansive, and too complicated.
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Mike did not disrespect anonymous posting. He could've posted your IP address and whatever information he does have, that you willingly provide him by visiting this site over and over.
He did NOT do that though, in a show of respect (to some degree).
He merely said something about you promising to leave. We've all heard that threat spoken by several trolls, so your anonymity is still preserved.
Also really classy move there, you say he's not being respectful to your privacy, then you flat out tell him to "FUCK OFF", call him a "TOTAL FUCKER" and make an ad hom about his weight.
Yeah, you're totally deserving of any respect from Mike or anyone else on here. /s
If you promised to leave, why don't you?
If you don't like this site, why visit it daily?
Etc etc etc.
Shoo troll, shoo. The adults are trying to have reasonable discussions. Without being condescending, dismissive or outright rude. If you can't play nice... don't get bent out of shape when others play by your rules.
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This is our voice
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I in the past did not bother voting because honestly I had no interest in the system. Most of what they were doing did not directly affect me or at least I did not know about the things that affected me. There was no issue I felt overly strong about and so I just let it go. No point in me betting on a race I had no horse in.
NOW these idiots have set their sites on something that I care about. They want to grab hold of the internet and take control of something they cannot hope to understand. Suddenly I have something I care about and I will stand for. So while yes, before I was one of the silent I am not going to be silent any longer.
I am willing to bet there are many more out there like me. We were willing to let things go and stay out of the system. Now though I am looking around and I see more things that I feel strongly about. I am not some "squeaky wheel" that is going to go away now that SOPA is gone.
I put my trust in the "older" generation and now that I have woken up I am sickened by what you have done. I will not be silent any longer. I will scream and yell about the destruction you have caused and maybe just maybe I will be able to get enough to stand with me to fix some of these things.
It is past time for those in power who "are not nerdy enough" to step down and let us "nerds" fix this mess you old farts have made.
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The Core Problem
In the last year I've spent quite a lot of time analizing the current political situation in the occidental world. I've come to the conclusion that we are living in some sort of new "enlightened despotism" (everything for the people but without the people).
Politicians have become a "caste" and that only because we and our parents have let them. Our actual politic system can't be called democracy anymore, what we have now is the option to give blank cheque (a so called vote) every 4-5 years to a bunch of politicians who make promisses and only keep half of them. There is no real way to punish them for not keeping their promisses other than not giving them a blank cheque again. THAT is no democracy.
But the real problem is that most people keep thinking this is democracy (mostly older people). Or they don't but do nothing about it (mostly the younger ones), giving the usual conformist/lazy excuses. And on the top of that 90% of the people don't care about politics at all until the consecuences of political decisions affect them directly, and then it is too late.
For God's sake! Let's grab some balls and get to the core! The core problem is the people itself and our conformism, egoism and lazyness. What needs to be done is to encourage the people to get polical awarness and the best way to do this is talking WITH them, getting them to THINK on their own again and getting them to CARE about what's really happening around them. After that, when they have political awarness, encourage them to get proactive.
It isn't really a hard task, but a long-term one and it requires a lot of patience, perseverance and willpower. Try it out while you keep thinking about patches to fix this sad world.
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Shame on that mob who wanted to break free of the British and their corporations. Those pirates thought they should be able to drink tea without paying a tax.
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Problem is, the idea will never see the light of day.
1. I do not have the resources to do a thorough patent search, or reach licensing agreements. And I certainly do not have the time to fight a costly court battle over copyrights after the fact.
2. In voicing their opposition or support for a position, a person might find it necessary to use words or images that may be objectionable, copyrighted, or even obscene. Which of course would open the site to immediate legal action and most likely shut down under current laws.
Guess my point is this. It may be a movement or organization by the people, but, in the end, the people are going to have to rely on a power or profit driven entity to provide the tools for it all to come together.
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1. Our end immediate goal should be to write a new law to pass through Congress that should allow some more gentle copyright reforms. One point could be to have them agree to only handle copyright law changes based on factual data when that would allow us some breathing space to organize a bigger attack.
2. We do need a leader. We need someone who knows what they are doing when most of us are clueless. This is only to spearhead our fightback when each sub-group can organize their own ideas. Getting into Congress to draft up a new proposed law seems a key point. The MPAA and RIAA can do this while getting zero people elected and so can we.
3. The Internet cannot keep organizing mass protests with blackouts and boycotts every time we need to fight. Sure we can do that for critical issues but the general public do not like losing their services and this can be counter-productive in the long term.
4. All the time Congress is lawfully corrupt then we do need to play that game as well to balance the fight with the Entertainment Industry. For this reason a partnership with the Tech Industry is critical and to always promote a free, fair and uncensored Internet. Our goal should never be just about copyright reform but to reform many areas where the public have lost their freedoms.
The Tech Industry does gain one extra advantage when we can also rally all the businesses who have good reason to hate copyright enforcement. The many victims who have been hurt and abused by the monopoly. This means we can increase the lobbying power of the Tech Industry to a new higher level which benefits their own needs to be met.
5. To achieve a major copyright reform will certainly need to be a massive international undertaking. Much of copyright has been set through international treaties. There is no way we can reduce the copyright span to 30 or so years unless every other country who signed the original treaties agrees to do likewise.
The best we can currently achieve in the US alone is to reduce the copyright span from life plus 70 years to life plus 50 years. This is obviously no where near good enough but it is a start.
This blackout day was a very good thing but always keep in mind one thing about the public. These 99% just want to get on with their lives and not to have to worry about politics. They want politicians to do their job and simply not to mess everything up. So the public tend to only scream out when they have done big mistakes that harm their lives.
So what does that say for the longer term of needing to rally them to convince politicians to pass our laws and to fight laws we do not like? This is why we certainly need lobbying power as a backup when the public lack the interest.
Blackout day worked when we were all sick and tired of what they were doing and we simply said enough is enough you shall not cross this line. Hundreds turned to thousands who rallied the millions.
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You are really asking the impossible. Why should people switch from their jobs, friends, paying the bills, feeding to kids to study up on extremely boring politics and laws?
A related example is with my Pinay partner. I am someone who loves space, science and technology. Part of that interest is exoplanets in other star systems. The interesting part is topics of possible alien life. Now my partner cares zero for exoplanets and aliens when this topic would bore her to death. So I always say the only time she would get interested is when an alien spacecraft lands in front of her house!
Just like major politics this plays no part of her daily life and there is just no way to convince her.
Even in politics they fair little better and their eyes gloss over so quickly at pages and pages of insane law text.
Then they cannot even organize their way out of a hole. Like everyone knows that the corruption/lobbying in Congress needs to be reformed but the truth is Congress is too corrupt to do it themselves and in all the years since the United States first formed the individual States themselves have never once successfully called a Convention to fix corruption and other government problems when they don't know their ass from their elbow and can't organize the two into the right place.
Yes the people are exactly the problem but you can't genocide us all to replace us with super humans who actually care enough to get the job done.
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Tell that to the "leaders" who were having their "planning meetings" in the atrium of the Deutsche Bank Building.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/occupy-wall-street-jon-stewart-zuccotti-park -263116
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In doing so, he pretty much took away any reason to post anonymously. He put a bright light on my post and addressed me as an individual, not an anonymous poster.
It's typical of the ratshit moves that Mike makes. He claims to be morally higher than the people he writes about, but is more than willing to break his own rules just to out someone who rattles his cage.
Basically, Mike doesn't want me here, and will out me every time I post. He should respect the concept of anonymous, not abuse it. Clearly, if he is unable to do this, why should he be claiming that it should be respected anywhere else online?
Two faced piece of shit, really - making money off of the fringes of piracy. Step 2 is a roaring success, proof that the prophet has no fucking idea what the creative world really wants.
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I myself come from a different focus when I welcome people'x freedom from the controls and abuse of copyright. I hate zoning and artificial delays aimed to boost profit. I hate the monopolies they form and the lack of free market and competition.
I want people to live free in their homes to do as they please. I want them not to be censored or restricted. I want them to have choice over when how and where they consume media and in what format.
I know that public demand forms the market that shapes the world and the MPAA and RIAA have no one but themselves to blame for piracy. The innovators outstripped them by miles and instead of catching up they fought against progress and fought against what the public wanted. A plan they would lose.
I myself a UK citizen discovered file-sharing due to becoming a fan of a TV series. When I interacted with other fans I noticed a problem when fans in the US were seeing these episodes months before I did. It helps little to join a popular topic if you have not seen what they refer to. It only took about 6 months to see how I could readdress this balance through the download of rather poor quality copies which much improved over time.
I long resisted music and movie downloads but my enjoyment of TV episodes did expand into other series. Then I played a hand in distribution on IRC when they had problems and needed extra volunteers. I learned a lot then and soon became leader of this small group which would have served a few million TV episodes. After 2 years I gave up when I was always left doing the work when with people who are not paid you just cannot count on them to do regular work.
A rare encounter with a bigger distribution network looking for couriers during those 2 years did make me download my first ever movie. Unfortunately for the MPAA my random download of a mystery title turned out to be a movie I totally loved. I was hooked and this well demonstrated to me how through sharing I can encounter much more media which both increases my enjoyment and my desire to buy.
So here I am years later well knowing that the general public are not corrupt immoral thieves (another MPAA/RIAA major flaw). They still buy what is worthy and that is why this fight is not one of profit but one of control.
I have no malice towards content creation. Indeed if serious damage was being done then regulation is correct. However since the market is very healthy then the public gain from file-sharing outweighs the MPAA and RIAA's demand for absolute control and maximum profit.
During all this I do not believe I did anything wrong even if I did infringe shit loads of copyright.
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Fact Based Policy Building Website
We need to start here. See the link to Scott Adams' random-idea-vomit below. Not the 'constitutional convention' bit, but the expert information website.
I'd do it myself if I had the slightest idea how to start.
http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/constitutional_convention/
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another propostion create a cyber culture to be a wall against corporate greed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWoiKtQVn2E
See for yourself that we the users of the net are able to create content that can even rival official releases and by sharing these with each other freely we may prevent piracy that hurts big media corporations and having them give some of theire material freely to us, while not encuring financial loss this agrement would curb piracy more effectivelly than any legislation
Any global legislation targeted at protecting copy rights in the web should understand the dynamics of this media tools. Creators and authors should divide theire works in few categories:
1) Works that are meant for commercial use (Movies,Exclusive programing, shows , etc)
2) Works that are meant for public use (Movies that are adaptations of books for example or documents)
3) Works that are meant... to be catered to fans (anime,shows specific shows like small vile or startrek...Babylon, mini historical dramas)
4) Works of trash category (everything that is older than 6 years for example which cannot produce profit)
5) Works in public domain
All categories except the first one should be allowed for sharing on the net and upload on video storing sides where authors could add ads to these uploads and profit from such releases ...The first category should neverheless be protected ruthlessly. Of course these categories don't have to be exactly the way I described as some Historical drama's or fan material , anime might be considered belonging to the first category it depends on the author of the work ^^
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Thats exactly the kind of excuses I was referring. Have you really tried it? I have. With some it's easy, with others it's nearly impossible, the key point is finding some recent political decision that affects them directly and with a lot of patience: explain them why it is bad or good for them (presenting it as news) and then hear their concerns about it. Then slowly start talking about political issues that affect them less directly. Humans are social beings and we all have a little politician in ourselves (who hasn't imagined how he would "rule the world"?), all you have to do is finding that little politician (that has shrunk with years of being told "you can do nothing, so don't even bother interesting") and make him grow.
"Why should people switch from their jobs, friends, paying the bills, feeding to kids to study up on extremely boring politics and laws?"
You don't need to study anything to have political awareness. All you have to do is to look around, see what happens, what decisions are taken and, instead of only thinking for yourself how you would do it, express yourself about it.
"A related example..."
I don't think it's a valid example as those are interests, and vary from person to person. Politics is inherent to the human being as it is nothing else than the way you try to make your principles coexist with the world you are living in. Politics is your point of wiev.
"Just like major politics this plays no part of her daily life and there is just no way to convince her."
You have to make her see that major politics, to a greater or lesser extent, do influence her daily life in many aspects. Some are little things, like the unskippable comercial you see everytime you watch a dvd, others are big things, like healthcare systems or money from taxes she pays given to banks so they don't collapse because of their own faults. Just don't show her these things as politics.
I'm sorry but I don't live in the USA, so I cannot respond coherently to the next paragraph.
"... you can't genocide us all to replace us with super humans who actually care enough to get the job done."
I don't want you to become superhumans, I only want you to try and don't throw in the towel so fast. I As I said, it's a long-term strategy.
I just want to live among humans and not among "sheeps" who only obey without any questioning.
Thx for reading.
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Even now they totally ignore what happened in this SOPA/PIPA failure and why. Instead of recognizing the public mass revolt they put this blackout day and boycotting down to "dirty tricks" from leaders like Google. They directly say "please don't do this again when it is unreasonable to the Internet and negotiations"
It may be a nice idea to sit down to tea and cakes with the MPAA and RIAA but this is physically impossible. Our core values are in total opposites. Black and white. Ying and Yang. Heads and tails.
So the only place to meet them is on the battlefield in open Warfare. It due to all the shit they give us in corruption, bullying, lies and nasty laws which explains why we now mobilize against them.
Negotiation is simply not possible. These are the people who believe that the copyright term should be eternal but then add on eternity minus one day when the US Constitution bans eternity when that allows no Public Domain. Yes right before the Universe ends they will give you one day.
You may have noticed from this SOPA/PIPA debate that none of them understood the Internet and they freely stated that. If the MPAA wanted to compromise they would fire Chris Dodd and put in charge someone who understood the Internet.
So how does this all play out against Mega? The MPAA/RIAA are arrogant people who value total enforcement and do not understand technology. That offers a lot of ground for mistakes to be made in the law.
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Actually, couldn't read. Your lack of paragraphs causes my eyes to glaze over.
@Anydbody who read this : Was there a good idea in there somewhere?
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The average person does not even care enough to add "environmental protection" to that list. They may one day when they choke on the smog and their kids get cancer.
Now this SOPA/PIPA debate is an interesting one when what people also hate is losing their "freedom". This is also not a big one though when many of their freedoms slip away each month with not many knowing or caring.
However in this case people love the Internet and the freedom it offers and an attack on the infrastructure is an attack on them.
Well if you want people to fight copyright then politics is not the way to go. To fight copyright we only need to give them file sharing when what with millions enjoying and very happy then to take this away is another loss of "freedom"
Copyright cannot win there until they match the quality when then people will be consigned to the fact that a subscription is not unlike Government tax and a fact of life.
This all goes to explain why politics can play the dirty game of lying to the public with terms like "we must protect the children" to trigger an emotional response. This is the same reason why the MPAA and RIAA always call us "thieves"
Educational programmes have little value. If some political matter becomes important then people will hear, get concerned and tell their friends. Word of mouth is the best method. This explains why over only a short space of time hundreds turned to thousands that then goaded millions.
While it is true those same millions can be goaded for election purposes we usually don't have the need. I doubt though that Lamar Smith will last long.
Last of all I find it ironic you could not understand my comments about US Politics. Since most of the World's big issues start in Congress then why are you asking people to learn about politics but you are not? I am also not a US citizen but I read up on this subject because I found it important.
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How about we force congress to change the election system? Dump the electoral college, and finance the entire election process. No corporate or group or for that matter party speech. That way, even you could have the resources to get elected. Of course, you would need to bring SOMETHING to the table.
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You keep acting like a douche, Mike isn't going to take it. Nor does he have any reason to. This is HIS site. He obliges all of us by letting us post freely, under a name or without one (as an AC).
There is nothing wrong with having a differing opinion on a given subject. By all means, do so. But when you start acting like an ass, and continue acting like one, don't expect people to show you the courtesy and respect they show others.
I've yet to see Mike make any ratshit move of any kind. He put a bright light on your post. So what? Do we all know who you are now? Has he revealed EXACTLY who you are? Given us all the info on you he has, as I originally stated?
No, he hasn't. Not even remotely. As I said, there have been numerous trolls who've made claims to leave permanently. You fall into that group. So you can still be any one of multiple people.
The truth is, maybe Mike doesn't want you here. But have you given him reason to feel that way? I'm sure there's plenty who don't agree with Mike, but they're free to post. Not all people act like jerks. Can you claim to be guilt free and take any sort of moral high ground? Or should we just let the evidence speak for itself? Ad homs and vulgarity don't endear you to anyone.
And really? Do you have proof Mike is making money off of piracy? If so, present it. Otherwise, you are aware that you could face charge of libel. You know, written slander. If I were Mike and I had your information and I felt like being a d*ck, I'd just take you to court. Print out all your post and f*ck you over. Or at least ruin your day and make you spend money defending yourself.
Step 2 is just one of many possible ideas at a new business model. Your idea of success I'm sure is some f*cking retardedly high standard that no one could ever meet, and if they did you'd still shoot them down, because that's just the kind of person you are and how you come off.
So please, by all means, if you've threatened to leave permanently, why not do so?
Otherwise, get the f*ck over it. Show respect, get respect. You can still jump into another thread and post anonymously (as I'm sure you do) and have a different icon next to your name, none of us will know. Til you act like a d*ck and piss off Mike that is with your comments that would be better off kept to yourself. Like I said, if you can't say anything nice...
Also, if you're not too busy, can you get off your cross already? Maybe use the wood to build a bridge and get over it. So you've been "outed". Oh nooooo! Whatever shall you do Anonymous Coward? Geez man. And you call some of the people here whiny. The irony of that is lost on you I'm sure.
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Considering that you consistently call him things like "chubby" it's useless bemoaning your lack of anonymity when you do little to maintain your cover.
>It's typical of the ratshit moves that Mike makes. He claims to be morally higher than the people he writes about, but is more than willing to break his own rules just to out someone who rattles his cage.
Nobody claims to be morally higher than the RIAA/MPAA; conversely it's those organisations who insist that their words be followed because their perspective is of a higher moral standard. He hasn't outed you as an individual; I'm over on the other side of the Pacific Ocean and I am no closer to finding out who you are. (Although, piss off a few more random readers and I think some will be interested in checking Google to see who else you're affectionately referring to as "chubby".)
>Basically, Mike doesn't want me here, and will out me every time I post. He should respect the concept of anonymous, not abuse it. Clearly, if he is unable to do this, why should he be claiming that it should be respected anywhere else online?
You wanted to leave a month ago. Clearly you don't have the balls to follow through with that decision. What's wrong with a little help, eh?
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Being sarcastic is being a jerk?
>It isn't that they shouldn't have a say about their future. Rather, it's a question of the old squeaky wheel. A small group of people made a huge amount of noise, and got attention. But as always, it's 1-2% telling the rest of us what to do, because they are the loudest, not because they are right.
"As always"? Exactly what percentage of the American population is the RIAA and MPAA? Isn't that 1-2%? If you have a problem with 1-2% telling everyone else what they should be doing shouldn't you be starting with them? (They're bloody loud, and they're definitely not "right" - see RIAA's admitted driftnet enforcement tactics, and the MPAA admitting their figures were overblown.)
>24% of the overall population is under 18. But they also represent an even larger percentage of the internet population. So you don't have to go far to find out where the noise is coming from.
I thought they were the 1-2%? Which is it? Or are you simply unwilling to listen to this particular demographic regardless of how many people are a part of it?
>The real power of the internet is to shout people down. Most of the shouters however either don't vote (only about 50% of under 30s bother to vote) or are under 18 and cannot vote.
So they have a say in their future, but their say isn't more than anyone elses.
So why should it be less than anyone else's?
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Making Hollywood disappear.
You ask "How do you kill the movie and TV industries?" Not easily, but as you point out, they are showing many of the signs of dementia and decrepitude typical of dying businesses.
To prevent their taking the whole Internet down with them, consider some important points:
1. The enemy of my enemy is my friend! A famous economist, Mr. Galbraith, wrote a famous book "Countervailing Power." The upshot was that when the plutocrats are straining hard to kill each other, customers and the public always benefit.
2. In that vein, content is king, and the cable companies are now rather desperately looking for worthwhile content to escape the chains of the media monopoly and the pap it sells; Netflix and many others can't easily get what they need. To get an idea of why, just look at the recent film "Planet of the A's" (substitute your own noun!); the thirty-year old original was watchable, if rather silly, but the remake was dreadful, despite the gushing of the NYTimes about the film's special-effects. Point out that Hollywood and TV are more moronic every day; the public has already received that message; emphasizing it will only help.
Push hard to show that a very large amount of Internet-available, independently produced content is good and getting much better. PBS has generally converted much of its content to an online format. I watch all PBS stuff online, even if it is a day or two late. The more that cable and Netflix, eventually all online, get away from TV and Hollywood dreck, the more important and essential the Internet.
3. Try hard to accelerate the demise of broadcast TV, happening, but too slowly, and really important for only a small minority. The government and its friends in high-tech development want this, but cannot impose a sudden free TV blackout with nothing to replace it. These frequencies are vital for next generation wireless Internet, and quite importantly, for other kinds of business and personal communication.
4. This will also compel the telco/cable duopoly to vastly improve their very costly and incredibly decrepit "barf-bag" networks for low-cost IP TV/telephone everywhere. Cellphone technology, while useful and important, cannot substitute for pervasive IP. Emphasize that the duopoly cannot just continue to gouge the maximum, while giving and investing very little in return. Otherwise, they will disappear, and their IP future with it.
5. Mention that successful "middle-mile" fiber networks built by private companies are becoming the powerful muscles and nerves of the Internet, providing access to many small and medium sized ISPs; phone companies have some of this business, but less and less at time goes on. They do not seem to be much interested. Fine, others will do it cheaper and better.
6. Celebrate the offbeat Internet applications, which will surpass TV and telephone in importance eventually; music lessons by Skype is one. Another was the Internet reorganization of the lunch take-out trade in San Francisco. Congress cannot kill music lessons, or full bellies after a good lunch from happy chefs making a good living.
Best regards,
John Lenihan
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Re: The Core Problem
"The only politics most people care about are the social values of wages, benefits, taxes, schools, transport, hospitals and wars. The average person does not even care enough to add "environmental protection" to that list."
At least it is a start, and a wide one. The major problem is that they only care about two days after reading/wieving/hearing some news about this issues. It's normal that someone looses interest past some time, but it's frightening to see people get angry and talk about sport events (football matches, etc.) for a week but have interest for something that is actually "ruling" their future live for no more than two or three days. That must be changed, it's a key element and the more we wait until trying to change it, the harder it will get.
Going to the SOPA/PIPA (and MegaUpload) issue. I see it mostly the way you do. But I'm really concerned this "hype" will (again) only last a few days. Plus, I'm really concerned that people (again) get stuck at the "they're touching my internet" point, not even seeing the copyright problem and ignoring the whole political incompetence/irresponsibility/corruption that lies behind it.
And that's the point, I (and I think WE) don't want to stop at the copyright issues. I think it's time to be ambitious, to think big and wide, and to stop only thinking short-termed. Of course short-termed goals must be set, but when the whole core is rotten, only patching cannot be the solution.
Politicians have always used lies, fallacies and everything they could to gain votes. During the "broadcast" or "mass media" era this was (is) easy because they are all "bought". You don't get any minimally objective news: either you get the governant party fallacies or the opposition fallacies. And there was nowhere else you could inform yourself, so you choosed one side and slowly questioned less and less. That's one reason because people nowadays aren't critic and barely have a self formed opinion about what happens in the world. And that is why they don't care about politics at all.
But, today we have the magnificent "tool" that is internet. You can choose between hundreds of thousands of blogs and forums to get informed and combine them how you want. One mid-term goal should be to show people how much more honest news are on the internet (if you know how to search a little bit), as you see diferent opinions with them, than in "mass media". The internet is the new word of mouth, but to be really effective first we have to get anyone on the internet.
For the last paragraph: I find it quite lame to use a fallacy only to provoke. Be more constructive :) The fact that I don't know exactly how the US chambers, state-countrywide politics work doesn't mean that I'm not learning about politics (add to this the fakt that I didn't understand some set phrases and expressions), that's why I think it is better not to answer.
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Over generalizing much! Ok, by your logic. I think you either work, run, or are getting payed to write these comments on behalf of the content providers, but at the same time im open minded enough to just think that you might be a dumbass politician or disgruntled citizen drunk on the Koolade.
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Piracy - the business model the content prividers want to shut down,
Free stuff, or a low monthly subcription for a all you could eat type deal, and wholy molly, artists gettin paid for them
You'd call that propaganda,
Claiming jobs and profit lost and using buzzwords like Piracy
I call that propaganda
Piracy does'nt lose companies a sale, if a pirate is unwilling to pay in the first place, i dont condone it, but at the same time i dont care, why should i, when the technology is there, to offer free or cheap monthly subcription, and providers unwilling to embrace it
This was never about infringement, this was about keeping an outdated business model alive, and keep its grip on their current customers, and destroying anyone else who might steal their influence and power, pure and simple, anti competitiveness, all wrapped up with a little bow tie
anyone who uses the internet on a regular basis, realises the potential for an the internet company to provide free content to its customers AND pay the artist for their work, cutting out the middle man
Megaupload - what could have been
-Free content, paid by adds or a low monthly subcription
-No middle man: read content provider
-Instant access to content, when and how you like it i.e phone, computer, tv, tablets....
-Stands to reason that the bigger it got, chances are, even more artists signing on, or migrating: read content providers, that would have been a kick in the balls, huh
-Assuming all the above happened
Free or low monthly bill (better be low)
Instant access
Varied ways of accessing
The potential to have ALL media, in one spot, is whats realllly giving Mr Hollywood Mr Mickey Mouse a headache :assumption
Its entirely possible with the technology we have today, hell, it was probably possible years ago. (assumption now, dont wanna be accused of propagandarism)
Let me ask you, if a "legit" site was on its way to providing these things, who do you think stands to lose the most, oh right, the people
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Re: Re: internet party
Take out all the emotional stuff and work towards the rational. On the tech biz side, we need to evolve where Hollywood and RIAA won't. Create and support high profile avenues for artists to self publish and collect the money that they are actually due. Rather than force artists to get rations at the whim of a super pac. Revise how content is primarily delivered. This is the instant age. Make first run content instant. Yeah that might kill movie theatres, or not. A lot of people might still enjoy going to a theatre for a premiere. I however, after the last movie I went to with the 12 year old kicking my seat and talking all night would rather not. Make new content easy to find and reasonable to buy. Clean up copyright laws in a way that does not send every 13 year old to jail for 5 years as a felon.
On the activist side, balance the needs of all parties to achieve a working model that NEVER infringes on free speech or rights to privacy. We have seen how vital it is to keep the web open for everyone without intereference from a government. Governments are unconcerned about gamers, bloggers, 9 gaggers or non profit encylopedias. We are. Lets protect the users first.Then lets evolve the web to it's actual potential.
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