Twilight Studio Issues Another Bogus Takedown, But Is Zazzle Partially To Blame?
from the the-plot-thickens dept
Well, this one's weird. We recently wrote about the attempt by Summit Entertainment (the folks behind the Twilight movies) to claim ownership of a date, issuing a takedown notice over a painting by Kelly Howlett because its creation date (and title) matched a Twilight movie release date (seriously). Now, Mary Jo Place (who goes by the handle Mojo) writes to tell us about her own similar and even stranger situation, in which Summit took down some of her Zazzle merchandise because... well... that's anyone's guess.
The work in question is an original painting called "Sheep Are Pretty Stupid", copies of which she was selling on a variety of merchandise through Zazzle. The products, which again have absolutely nothing to do with Twilight, had been up for a few months before she received a notice from Zazzle, telling her they had removed some of them because of a complaint from Summit. Oddly, it was only the iPhone/Pad/Pod cases that were taken down—not the t-shirts or any of the other merch, even though all the items bore identical descriptions:
Sheep Are Pretty Stupid.
Yes, they are, but you don't have to be numbered among them! Mojo suggests you go AGAINST the crowd by buying one of her sheepie shirts. Or mugs. Or, whatever. Several years ago, I decided I wanted to paint my own Christmas card of the whole lion-and-lamb thing, only from a more, uh, realistic perspective. This is the result.
The email from Zazzle also suggested that the problem could be the search tags, but those (again shared identically by all the merchandise) were mojo, crap, craptacular, sheep, lion, and lamb. Nothing there that suggests Twilight either, except possibly crap. Understandably baffled, Mary Jo contacted Zazzle only to receive a condescending canned response informing her of their duty to abide by intellectual property law. She wrote back again, and actually linked to our coverage of the other takedown, but got nothing back. So she started digging, which brought her to Kelly Howlett's Facebook note about her situation, where she saw something interesting in the comments—and this is where things get weird:
Since Mary Jo's items were gone, she couldn't check to see if she was having similar tag problems. Nevertheless she emailed Zazzle again, included screenshots of the comments and suggested that this may be what happened. A little while later, she received another canned response from Zazzle telling her the products had been restored, but still offering no explanation whatsoever.
All this creates one big question: is Zazzle doing some sort of automatic tagging, which is then triggering false takedowns? If so, that's a pretty big mistake by Zazzle—but some cursory Googling and digging through their help forums doesn't reveal any references to an auto-tagging or community tagging system. If any readers are Zazzle users and have experienced something similar, or have any insight into this, please share it, because nobody seems to be able to figure out what's going on.
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Filed Under: bogus takedowns, censorship, takedowns, twilight
Companies: summit entertainment, zazzle
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Judging by Zazzle's quiet reinstatement of the items I am pretty sure someone is now very aware of what was going on and are trying desperately to fix it before you figure it out.
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Edward: "And so the lion fell in love with the lamb."
Bella: "What a stupid lamb."
Edward: "What a sick, masochistic lion."
My guess is Summit is being stupid and flagging stuff with those terms.
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Re: BOOooks...
Namely, "The HOLY Bible"
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Namely, "The HOLY Bible"
And yet the book in question is the foundation of the biggest religion in the world...
...Yeah, we're in trouble.
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Wait. Which book?
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I hate when people don't get my jokes.
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And somehow Zazzles system then displayed several more tags, all on a theme of twilight...
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"The 'Twilight' series contains four books about a dreamy vampire and the charmingly klutzy girl who loves him. It was written by Stephanie Meyer, presumably on the back of a trapper keeper while she was still in high school."
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From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/twilight
Expect Summit to go after dictionaries and earth's rotation next.
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its the tags
they also talk about the lion falling in love with the lamb / sheep. so i bet thats why.
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Not quite the same thing, but eh.
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You can't sue the site, because the site can point to the DMCA notice. You can't sue the issuer of the DMCA notice, because they didn't actually take down your content.
The constitution clearly states: "Congress shall make no law such that," rather than saying "The Courts shall not upload a law such that." This choice was to ensure that no schemes such as the above could be set up, where an over-seeing body can be routed around. Tragically the Constitution provides no meaningful disincentive for crafting such laws, because the bill of rights was not a core part of the design, but a concession.
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The majority of us (who read and agree with the ideas and concepts supported by this site) would probably never even notice that anything was missing....
But it sure would be entertaining.....
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Step 1. Individual lawsuit filed.
Step 2. Subpoena information needed to uncover the process used to issue the wrongful take-down requests.
Step 3. Request certification of class-action lawsuit.
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DB corruption or intentional/unintentional insertion, which includes malicious insertion by the company or someone who has access legal or illegally to their DB, a program gone ape and doing what is not supposed to and so forth, some third party in any way related to Zazzle with access to that account making the changes and he/she/it is not the user and gained access to the account through deception or hacking the website(i.e. XSS).
Is Zazzle under attack? did it get hacked and users data were stolen?
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The fact the string ends with just the letter j makes one wonder if the coding failed. Someone tried to pump in more than the 40 tags your allowed so it just borrowed some of her space. Maybe little bobby tables visited.
Its possible Zazzle had a glitch (or is just now finding out because the person who hid it and cleaned up did just as awesome a job as they did coding it in the first place) and the downside is these people are getting beat upon for Zazzle failing.
Summit is still a buncha asshats, but it makes a bit more sense.
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If you were Zazzle you more than likely have a list of tags that generate problems...
What if you screwed up the expression to search the existing tags for them to add them instead?
https://xkcd.com/1031/
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Whh...what?
I don't care that Zazzle may be using bots to put bad tags on stuff, that's a company policy issue that should get worked out because it makes their search product less valuable to customers. I'm mystified that DMCA take-downs are getting issued because of ambiguous metadata keywords, not because of infringing content.
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Automated takedowns with very liberal targeting algorithms is just the next logical step.
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I'd really like to see the EFF or ACLU get on the case for a bunch of these little guys and HAMMER the false notice companies to the full extent of the DMCA. I bet that would send some execs running to unplug their auto-filing bots.
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In any case it's not clear what's going on and both of these companies need to be more clear an straightforward about what their practices are. It's looking more and more like Zazzle is to blame for voluntarily censoring its users (and bad database management) which isn't so much a legal problem, but their users need to vote with their feet if that's the case.
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Lol.
Anyway, whoever's to blame this is just another example of why automatic this process is very bad idea. Follow copyright rules and sell perfectly legit material? Tough, a 3rd party just caused your material to be removed anyway because a corporation wants to protect itself at all costs. Want compensation? Pay a lawyer, we don't care...
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Needs a T-Shirt
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Remember, remember the twentieth of November
vampires, trademark, and tag lots
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Hmm, throws off the rhythm a bit.
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Aren't tags legal anyway?
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WTF #2: Zazzle doesn't know Google ignores metatags.
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Zazzle won't let me use my own artwork of 1930's criminals
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