Another Bogus Copyright Claim Silences Millions Of Rickrolls (Briefly)
from the some-might-find-that-a-good-thing dept
Two years ago, we wrote about how YouTube took down the original "Rickroll" video of Rick Astley singing "Never Gonna Give You Up" -- perhaps the most well known internet meme ever. It seems that that video was taken down yet again, this time due to a "copyright claim from AVG Technologies."
TorrentFreak claims that this AVG is the same as the maker of the popular anti-virus software, who almost certainly has no legitimate copyright claim to the video. And while there are other options out there, as well, it once again raises some questions about bogus takedowns, and the "silence first, ask questions later" process that is almost mandatory under the DMCA. Sure, the world isn't suffering much from a bogus Rickroll takedown (and some may argue they benefit), but just the fact that random third parties seem to be able to take down super popular videos raises serious questions about why we've set things up to work this way.
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Filed Under: dmca, rick astley, rickroll, takedown
Companies: avg technologies, youtube
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Troll them hard!
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Personally, I think they're all entirely too willing to screw us because they're too insulated from the consequences of their actions. I say we take away their Secret Service protection and see if they behave any better.
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I don't think Obama's really in the loop on these matters.
The Prez's dealing with other matters (like the economy) and, unfortunately, he's just listening to people he trusts or his party tells him to trust.
And please don't tell us Romney would be any better...
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But I'm an optimist.
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That's for people voting their conscience though. I plan on going a contrarian play and voting Obama again on the grounds of he's done a pretty wonderful job of screwing us repeatedly. Maybe the people who voted for him will get it through their thick heads why we don't elect guys like him very often. Also so the people who financed and voted in the Republican primaries will possibly get a clue and run someone who's not a complete douche next time.
I guess I am a bit of an optimist too if I still have hope that voters might actually ever learn anything.
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"" YouTube is a piracy haven with on last count, over nine thousand videos promoting the use of cracked versions of our software""
""YouTube facilitates the promotion, of the theft of our intellectual property"
See the rest of the article , they even talk about pushing through laws that will block YouTube.
source : http://tiny.cc/AVG-Response-To-Youtube
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Seconded. It has been a long time since that move was played successfully. You sir, win 100 Internets. Please use them wisely.
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Played the same comment on TorrentFreak.... No great win of internts there : (
I did win Lulz...Other commentators got mad, flagged the comment.
Who would have thought.... A rickroll on a rickroll thread ! : )
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"Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling"
There is no physical award nor any other benefit that goes with this title other than the knowledge that you are a troll amongst trolls and of course that warm tingling feeling you get in your pants when you read your title.
+1.0^12 Trolling and Rickroll points to you!
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I would like to thank my wife, with her continued support I was able to achieve this prestigious title.
Would also like to thank m....""Beyonce's single should have won"" ..SHUT UP KANYE , go sit in the corner.
Anyway again, thanks for this title.
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Can I marry you? I want to get a sex change so i can have your babies
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Better yet, forge the headers so the takedowns appear to come from an MPAA address.
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It's not silence first, it's CENSOR first, ask questions . . . maybe
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Oh wait, they're working again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-HUgzYPm9g
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a0iCIHLSm4
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Intellectual property theft, demonstrated.
You see, one very important element of why stealing is bad is that your actions deprive the owners of the stolen object of whatever utility they would have had from the object had you not taken it away from them.
The thief here is, if you haven't guessed already, the company behind the takedown, who apparently claimed to own the material without actually having any property rights in it at all.
There have been several well publicized incidents where corporations or persons have falsely claimed to own a particular copyrightable item. I fail to understand the logic that decrees that depriving the a work's rightful owners (or the public in the case of material in the public domain) of their right to use, distribute or even profit from a work is not an actionable offense, while at the same time making copies of files for your friends could mean fines or damages amounting to of thousands of dollars or even jail time.
People who issue bodus DMCA takedowns are the real intellectual property thieves. Keep that in mind while we work for copyright reform.
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They did it before, they can do it again.
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You all have been rick'rolled...
You people seem to forget that we have bigger fish to fry than being rick'rolled by TorrentFreak or anyone else. Read this:
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/action-required-on-crucial-acta-votes-next-week
http://ch ristianengstrom.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/eu-parliament-majority-expresses-support-for-acta/
Don't you people think this is way more important then being rick rolled? Screw that... i'm not saying that TF/AVG/whatever did this on purpose to make you forget certain things but most of the comments i've been reading (not only here), to me at least, seem to make you forget the bigger problem we are facing right now and, instead of trying to do something, you guys (and gals) are forgetting what's going on in the EU next week.
I'm not saying anything else, at least not for now...
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not offended, just pointing out that people are capable of handling more than one subject at a time is all ;)
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Since All i get out of your two comments is that Everything that anybody should be talking about whether contextually wrong to or totally off topic is and should be ACTA and how it is going to affect the EU, World, universe if not every utterance is about it.
There is more blematic things of social and ethical import occuring on the planet than what ACTA et.al is all about also people have the ability to multitask about different things at once plus also leading a happy and productive life. This involves having fun, being immature, enjoying life and not letting one problem (even if of major import on ONE field) control everything they do.
Take a breath, sit back, enjoy something and then put effort into ACTA etc.. But if you are dedicating more than 50% of your life/thoughts to this then you really need to stop or the stress's will kill you.
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Here is an account of what happened
http://youtu.be/oHg5SJYRHA0
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Fuck me.... you should see the rest of the article , they even talk about pushing through laws that will block YouTube.
source : http://tiny.cc/AVG-Response-To-Youtube
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AVG have a good chance at closing down YouTube from what the article says.
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Looks like YouTube could be gone soon.
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Change the takedown process
Two birds, one stone.
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To eliminate any 'third party' in a dispute. Especially any third party that has the power to remove the content, and has every incentive to remain as untouchable as possible.
As the term implies, being a third party in a dispute normally means that you are neither the accused, nor the accuser. As such, the entire dispute could theoretically be ignored by this party.
Thus, removing material should only be done by the poster him/herself, possibly as a result of a ruling by a court. In the extreme case, the third party could be ordered by a court to remove material, but only after the dispute was brought to court.
But the DMCA introduced the following paradox: the only way to remain a third party is to not remain a third party: either you comply with the takedown request or you don't. That leaves no room for third parties.
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Make it hurt to falsely file a DMCA takedown notice, and it will stop. The entity filing should have to prove that they had made a reasonable error in spite of the fact that they had done their homework. "Oops, we pasted the wrong link" cannot possibly be an excuse, either. Automated systems cannot do due diligence, so neither are they an excuse.
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WHY IS NONE EVER SUED INTO OBLIVION FOR THIS BEHAVIOR??
Its mind boggling. This happens all the time, and there are ZERO repercussions for it.
Yet if you share a couple of songs, you get the Legal Hammer (tm) straight up your ass for $2+ million dollars.
The first copyright maximalist scumbag that takes down one of my works is getting it straight in the teeth with everything I can throw at them: fraud, theft, rights misrepresentation, and whatever other tools the legal system has to offer.
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Why should that work? Since when is not "knowing" a defense? If I claim I didn't "know" (or believe) that a song I shared was under copyright, you can be damn sure that won't fly with getting me out of it.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse and won't get you out of prosecution. Try "I didnt know" the next time a cop stops you and see how far that gets you.
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Perjury though has never been charged, or if it has it has been dropped and not recorded publicly. The courts need to step up to the plate here since perjury by definition is a contemptuous action toward the court.
In the real world I do not see this happening until at such time someone with the financial ability and public impact makes the court do this within the USA.
Though interestingly the same DMCA's are being sent worldwide, which though the DMCA itself is not legally binding, the oath of intent under perjury laws is within each separate jurisdiction. It could be interesting for someone to take this up with their local judiciary, in fact I have a mind to do this exact thing myself. Oh and the actual person signing it is the perjurer, no personal immunities exist just because they were doing it as company representative or as agent or even as legal counsel either.
Could be interesting
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The dreaded G word
But, it's ineffective to try to take a spoon to empty that ocean (DMCA takedowns) and trying to automate that leads to wrong things being shoveled out.
What's the answers.
Gatekeepers.
Sorry, folks, you can't have it both ways.
http://www.gatekeepers.net/
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Why not?
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Free Advertising for the company
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