Matthew Inman To Charles Carreon: Take Time Off, Stop Saying Crazy Sh*t To Journalists, Calm Down

from the and-maybe-apologize dept

Tue, Jun 19th 2012 3:03am — Mike Masnick

Now that the details have come out about Charles Carreon's lawsuit against Matthew Inman, IndieGoGo and the two charities Inman is raising money for (and the details are as nonsensical as we expected), Matthew Inman has written an open letter to Carreon, suggesting that he might want to calm down a bit. He points out that, contrary to Carreon's claims, he did not "incite security attacks" on Carreon. In fact, Inman not only focused his anger at Funnyjunk, but also went further than necessary to keep Carreon mostly out of it:

So when did this transform from Oatmeal VS FunnyJunk to Carreon VS the internet? I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark here and guess that it's when you announced to a journalist at MSNBC that you were trying to shut down a charity fundraiser which would benefit cancer victims and endangered wildlife. THAT was the moment when the tide of public opinion focused on you instead of FunnyJunk. I never encouraged anyone to attack, harass, or otherwise contact you. In fact in my original letter I blurred out your contact information and I linked to your Wikipedia page instead of your website. If I've directed energy anywhere it's been to the fundraiser page.

He also tells people not to harass Carreon. He goes on to point out, accurately, that this whole thing has probably been humiliating and points out that the lawsuit is quite likely going to get dismissed, but also offers Carreon a possible path to backing out of this mess:

Your lawsuit is meritless and it'll probably just get dismissed, but I'm guessing you're just going to keep trying until you find an angle that sticks with a judge. My advice: take a few weeks off, stop saying crazy shit to journalists, and come back when you've calmed down. Write an apology to whomever you feel is appropriate, or just don't write anything ever again.

Maybe start your own charity fundraiser as way of apology. I'd donate.

Also known as "the stop digging" solution. The same one half the internet has been suggesting for the past week. The same suggestion that Carreon keeps ignoring -- leading at least some people to start calling the impulse to keep digging the Carreon Effect. That moniker will likely disappear if he does, in fact, stop digging. But what are the odds of that happening?

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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:11am

just let the numb nut continue burying himself. you never know, he may learn a valuable lesson from this, one that will serve him well for a long time to come. on the other hand, he may just make himself look an even bigger jerk than he has up til now, perhaps even liking the attention
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Prisoner 201, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:24am

The "carry-on" effect. He really has the perfect name. I feel that it is his destiny to dig himself deeper than any man has gone before.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:25am

Calm down and try to think rationally? Not happening. Carreon's going to respond to this with more angry ranting.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:26am

He *could* use the Carreon Effect in a positive way attracting new clients. "Charles Carreon - the lawyer that'll never stop digging! Hey - I've got an effect named after me, how cool is that!"
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:30am

"Take Time Off...Calm Down"

Good idea. He must be tired after all that digging.
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Crosbie Fitch (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:30am

Hell hath no fury like a lawyer scorned
One the one hand we have someone realising that despite the weapon of copyright being available to them, a less antisocial and more conciliatory approach to those who show no respect for authorship is more appropriate in these times (in which the 18th century privilege is dissolving).

On the other hand we have someone with contempt for culture and those who create it, showing no hesitation to exploit both it and the law as a weapon against anyone they feel impugns their patently mercenary and unscrupulous character.

This is not about copyright, but about mankind's cultural liberty, moral rights, neighbourliness, and the abuse of law (by lawyers as well as legislators).
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Anon, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:32am

STOP
Seriously this is a guy who probably has had a lot of power over people for a long time and he can see not only that the power he has disappeared overnight and turned into laughter about himself that the only way he sees out of this is to find some way to try to justify his actions. Even if he gets to sue for some totally random point that results in a warning he will claim he has won.

This is the sign of a desperate man , one who will probably have a nervous breakdown when he cannot get his way, you know the type , the person that daddy gives everything to and is never told no. Sad as this is going to be a very hard lesson for him to learn.

And people showing him pity is just going to anger him more and more, i think a doctor is needed in this case not a Judge.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:42am

What's that?
The Carrion Effect - senseless judicial procedures, feeding off anger about own stupidity. Self-perpetuating.
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Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 4:33am

Re:
Yep.

About the only way to guarantee that someone keeps acting irrationally is to tell them that they are acting irrationally straight out.
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Difster (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 4:36am

Dear God, I hope he keeps digging, this is so entertaining.
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The Mighty Buzzard (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:04am

Re: Re:
Pretty much. And anyone who didn't learn that lesson from their very first girlfriend has really good odds of being a Darwin Award recipient.
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Prashanth (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:05am

Carreon stopping
Aaaand...here's to Carreon suing Inman for defamation for saying that he says crazy sh*t to journalists in 5...4...3...
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F!, 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:06am

Re:
The "carrion" effect has a nice ring to it...
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:11am

That Apology is Going to be Looong...
Well, if he were to do these things Inman's suggesting and also take up the opportunity to make an apology, he's going to be spending plenty of time writing to the whole Internet for his stupidity... but then again, why should he apologize? He provided some good entertainment and he has become another symbol in the Hall of Internet Stupidity, and we could use that to show future lawyers what would happen if you mess with something we use on a daily basis!
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Marcel de Jong (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:17am

you heard it here first, folks
The Carreon Effect. Another term coined by Techdirt. I guess we could call that the Techdirt Effect?
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Tim K (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:25am

You left out his awesome ending where he says 'hugs and sexy bear kisses'
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:16am

Inman should read his comments section.

Dan Crittenden

I want to carpet bomb the shit out of FJ with this letter

332 Likes

Annonymous

or if we show 4chan this, they wil hopefully go bananas on FJ

- that would be more effective

467 Likes
Anon

we are not your personal army bitch now fuck off

672 Likes

Indeed, fuck off Inman.

Your manipulation of peoples emotions, by hiding behind a charity is starting to fail.
People are starting to learn that the poor cartoonist routine is NOT Legit.
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Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:28am

Re:
Inman is not responsible for what other people say, or do. Even if it is on the comments of his own site.

Why is that so difficult to understand? We don't hold Mike resposible for your idiotic blather.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:29am

Re:
And your ridiculous assumption is based on one comment?

Or are basing it off the number of "likes" of said comment (which is and even more laughable metric)?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:53am

Re: Re:
I "like" this
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SkullCowboy (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:54am

Just curious...
The demand letter Carreon sent was supposedly representing his client, Funnyjunk. Yet in the MSNBC interview Carreon said 'my mother' when referring to the picture Inman had drawn. Several references he made to Inman's response letter seemed to indicate he thought it was directed at him personally. Seems to me a lawyer would know better. And now bringing the lawsuit himself instead of for Funnyjunk.

Has anyone heard anything from the owner of Funnyjunk since this fiasco began? Even a no comment?
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:55am

I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
It is what it is, nothing more.
Don't be emotionally played by a side in this drama.
Drama comes , drama goes.... "lulz - pass the popcorn"

Guy calls someone a "thief".
Receives a defamation settlement letter.
Uses charity to emotionally stir public support.
Uses rhetoric that suggests he is 100% innocent and powerless.
Spams the propaganda out.
(Being a SEO , viral marketer, known link generating scammer , $1000 per day earner is irrelevant )
100% innocent and powerless, to address a $20,000 settlement ?

INB4 -- "But the principle of the issue"
Yeah -- he called funnyjunk "thieves" , what did he expect, a thankyou ?

The Lawyer responds
Says via actions. "Fuck your PR stunt and everything about it."
Hide behind charity, I will use law to remove the shield.
Doesn't give a fuck about PR or looking bad, only cares about law and not getting beat by some manipulative punk using charities for his own personal gain.

This is about copyright.
The defamation by Inman attacking a host of "users that share images", claiming that funnyjunk stole, altered with intent to deceive and then profited from Inman's work.
But.....It has been manipulated into something else.
Question is ... who has been doing all the manipulation ?
PR is not law.... ASK OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony
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drew (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:55am

Re:
So your objection is that about 800 people favour doing something about it and about 700 don't.
Seems like they should cancel each other out fairly nicely...
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Pixelation, 19 Jun 2012 @ 6:59am

Great line from Carreon
�What I see is a world that is transforming before my eyes, and I�m very fortunate to be at the forefront of a lot of technical development, and you can�t learn anything being timid,�

Hey dude, look before you dive into the deep end. There may be no water in the pool.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:04am

Re:
I'm sorry, can you explain to the rest of the class how Inman has manipulated people and what his plans to donate to charity has to do with any of that? Because I'm sure we're all quite interested to know how you came to this wild conclusion. It should be an interesting lesson in "Conspiracy and Wild Theories/Allegations".

Inman has done no manipulating. He ripped on a rather shameful letter, which demanded $20,000. That same letter is the one that got people upset at Funnyjunk/Carreon. Not anything done by Inman. Then, to make matters worse, Carreon then started making wild accusations (like you are doing), followed up by his wife doing the same, and then decided to sue two charity organizations (for the sole reason being that apparently Inman picked them at almost random to receive any donations sent to him regarding the $20,000 demand amount).

The one who should have quite obviously fucked off from the get go is Charles Carreon. In this day and age to think sending a letter demanding money won't get laughed at and posted on the internet for the world to see is stupidity at it's finest. He made a rather huge and quite public mistake and rather than say, "My bad, let's just let bygones be bygones and all forget about this thing," he decided to keep on keeping on. Which in his case means foaming at the mouth and making legal threats and what can easily be seen as defamatory statements about Inman (lest you forget the readily viewable statement claiming that Inman was behind the attacks on his website).

Sorry AC, but you're taking the side of someone who has very much been in the wrong this entire time. And much like that same person, you're making wild statements without any proof whatsoever to back them up. And... comments on a blog are quite meaningless, lest we forget the comments on Techdirt (some of which are quite ridiculous at times, posted by ACs just like you).
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:06am

Re:
I was under the impression that Anonymous != 4chan?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:09am

Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
Let's see where you made mistakes, boy...
"Guy calls someone a "thief"."
Guy requests images be removed from website.
Discovers site is not registered with DMCA, so DMCA requests are useless.

"Receives a defamation settlement letter."
Receives extortion letter from thief's lawyer.

"Uses charity to emotionally stir public support."
Wha...?

"Uses rhetoric that suggests he is 100% innocent and powerless."
Man's work is posted without his permission.
Sounds like "innocent" to me, boy.

"Spams the propaganda out."
Spam is sent to people via e-mail.
Artist simply posted info on his website.
Whether it's "propaganda" or not depends on your viewpoint.

"100% innocent and powerless, to address a $20,000 settlement ?"
Yes, and doesn't submit to blackmail, either.

"The Lawyer responds
Says via actions. "Fuck your PR stunt and everything about it.""
Incompetent Lawyer responds with incoherent rant.

"Hide behind charity, I will use law to remove the shield.
Doesn't give a fuck about PR or looking bad, only cares about law and not getting beat by some manipulative punk using charities for his own personal gain."

Don't help charity, give ME the money!
Manipulative punk using unwarranted threats for his own personal gain.
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:10am

Re:
Carreon, is that you? Hi and welcome to Techdirt!
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:10am

Re: Re:
Who said Inman was responsible for others comments ?

It shows, not only that people commenting on Inmans site wanted to unleash a troll shitstorm on behalf of Inman , but also that a lot of Anon's see through the manipulation. Anon's, of the troll variety know about manipulation, they use it all the time, and refused to be manipulated into a personal army for Inman.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:11am

Re:
"People are starting to learn that the poor cartoonist routine is NOT Legit."

People have already learned that the psycho lawyer routine is, unfortunately, true.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:13am

Re: Re:
What assumption ?

Inman manipulating people is a fact !
Can't see it ? well guess what.
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:19am

Re: Re: Re:
... Uh, what? I feel like I'm missing something here. Can you explain more into this nonsensical babbling you're trying to preach? How is he manipulating people? I only checked the Oatmeal once already and I checked only two or three pictures he made for his site. And... I never felt anything of the sort where he's providing any subliminal messages to hack into Carreon's (or should I say your) account and mess around with his website and send him stupid e-mails!

If what you're saying is true, then show us these facts! Show us how Inman is sending these subliminal messages and prove that you're not this crazy lunatic you're painting yourself as.
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:21am

Re: Re: Re:
Much like how one AC keeps commented that he's "leaving this site" and he's still here?
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:23am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
"Commenting," that's what I meant... man, I really suck at grammar here...
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:26am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
He is obviously using charity to manipulate public opinion.
How does his comment pointing that out, make him a lunatic?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:28am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
But at least you corrected yourself Cory of PC and are willing to acknowledge mistakes you make. The same cannot be said for the delusional AC you replied to. Who seems to be making the same kind of wild, unsupported by fact rants that Carreon himself has been making.

Now if you'll excuse me. I'm going to go join Inman's personal army that I have been manipulated into joining through the use of subliminal messages sent to my brain while viewing some of his drawings over at The Oatmeal. :P (Oh, and before the AC above says, "See! Proof that people are falling for it!" Just know that I'm kidding, AC. I just wanted to say that so you could get all excited and then so I could shoot down said excitement.)
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Noah Callaway (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:30am

Re: Re: Re:
Neat rhetorical trick. Let me try...

Carreon is manipulating people. Can't see it? Well guess what...

See, it's fun because it assumes that if you disagree with the premise then you have no standing to argue against it (kinda like the amount of standing Carreon had moments before he donated to Operation BearLove)
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:32am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
If I raise money for charity will you come and defend me too, even if I do something wrong?
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GMacGuffin (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:32am

My open letter to Carreon
Dear Chuck:

If you're going to C&D a blogger or outspoken online presence, write it for public publication. Period. And advise your clients why -- and how it may affect them.

When you assume your letter will be published, it forces you to think about presentation, tone, and gods forbid, the merits of your position. It's one of those nasty side-effects of the Internet Age, but hey, adapt or ... well you've seen what happens otherwise.

See, as an attorney, your job is to resolve problems; lawsuits are what you do only when the problems can't otherwise be resolved. And when you keep that in mind, along with the very real chance your efforts will go public, you'll find maybe it's not a great idea to send a C&D asking for $20k for protected (even if obnoxious) speech, for claims based on a year-old blog post that is no longer accurate, for a client who itself doesn't have the greatest online rep. And then you advise your client accordingly.

Oh, and remember, the true, existential purpose of lawyers is to act as a buffer between two parties who can't talk reasonably. It is not to insert yourself personally into the fray.

Thanks for listening,

A guy who does this type of thing...
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:33am

Re: Re: Re:
Yes, AC. It must be Inman manipulating people. It couldn't possibly be people getting upset at the douchebag who is acting like a nut (or his handful of delusional followers) and who is even now suing innocent charities in his anger at becoming the laughingstock of the internet. Yep, must be manipulation. Because no one could possibly have a problem with the lawyer who is now trying to use the legal system as a weapon just because he can't handle being made fun of.

[pats AC on the head] There there. It's okay. Maybe you should locate bob and you can both go off and have a nice talk and share with each other the elaborate conspiracies being orchestrated by Google and Inman, of which only you two are able to be aware of and not fall for.
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STStone, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:36am

Re: Re: Re:
I'd bet that the person who made the "not your personal army" comment meant that comment for the people calling for attacks on Carreon.

Inman may have acted out of anger and spite, but everyone does that at some point in their lives. He intended only to mock Carreon and Funnyjunk (as well as raise some money for charity), and Carreon has turned it into a legal brouhaha Inman obviously doesn't want to deal with.

Inman did try to provoke a certain emotional response out of his readers, but that doesn't mean he intended to turn his readership into a "personal army" dedicated to attacking Carreon.

Carreon has done such a great job of creating a "personal army" out of Oatmeal supporters by acting like an ass that he doesn't need Inman to say "go attack Carreon".
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:39am

Re: Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
Ok...boy, I get it, you have too much penned in grammar skillz !

vtkyntymd trvgo;idrjtoirjdt vytytrvkny crtvt tvrdt

Problem ?

How much money did Inman raise for charity before he bought your support ?
#justAskin #WhyDoYouCareAboutHim
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Brent Ashley (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:40am

I'm waiting for the film
This would make a great British farce: "Carreon Digging" with Charles Hawtrey in the lead role.
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Almost Anonymous (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:42am

Re:
just let the numb nut continue burying himself. you never know, he may learn a valuable lesson from this, one that will serve him well for a long time to come. on the other hand, he may just make himself look an even bigger jerk than he has up til now, perhaps even liking the attention
Nah, whoever heard of an attorney being an attention whore?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:43am

Re: Re: Re:
but also that a lot of Anon's see through the manipulation.

1 �� a lot.

The post claiming to be from Anon was made anonymously, it could have been made by anyone, including Carreon or someone sympathetic to him.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:44am

Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
Your world sounds like a very interesting place to live. Can I get tickets somewhere?
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:46am

Fallacy but given it's subliminal..... LEGIT outcome
If using a charity for personal gain is now subliminal...
God help us ALL!

NEXT UP: Rapist gets caught, raises $160,000 for charity!
-- you will love that guy too...lulz

Please send your complaints to : PO-Box 9001 , theInternet
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Almost Anonymous (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 7:58am

Re: Just curious...
Not to derail your thread, and I do hope that somebody else can answer your question, but you bring up a good point that hasn't really gotten much attention:

Carreon has basically gone legal-postal over a 'yo-mama' joke. It seems like Inman has struck a real nerve here. We may all be guilty of being very insensitive: what if Carreon's mom really was molested by a bear?!? What if *he* was? That would almost certainly leave some powerful psychological scarring! Not to mention the almost inevitable physical scarring.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:01am

Let the drama and butthurt flow...( Hope Inman loses the legal fight )
Is raising money for a charity not noticeable enough ?
Get's accused, raises money for charity.
Get real, you may be on his side but...
How is that not a manipulation of public perception, to make funnyjunk look bad for attacking him ?
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:03am

your arguing style.... questionable defame alert !
While I am at it...
Where are these "subliminal messages to hack into Carreon's account" mentioned ?
I think you made those up in an effort to defame an opposing argument....amiright
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Brent (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:14am

Re:
w/e, obviously this 'AC' is just Carreon himself. who else would support that moron besides himself.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:19am

Lulvz...all this drama !
Thanks for the scoop.
How much did Carreon raise for charity then ?
If it's moar than $9,001... I am defo on the side that hates both manipulators.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:25am

Donating to charity doesn't give YOU a reason to like Inman.

There you go, a conspiracy, wild theory and allegation rolled into one.
I know, it makes no sense, does it ?
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kryptonianjorel (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:29am

"We've got him just where we want him" Carreon said to himself as he sits in his office lounger. "Inman is on the run, trying to back out of this lawsuit while still being a tough guy, but I'll show him, I'm the crusader for the internet, and I won't let his tyranny continue"
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Dionaea (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:30am

Re: Re: Re:
Or is a homosexual male or heterosexual female who may have learned the lesson from his/her very first boyfriend ^_^
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:35am

Are you sure it's not his wife?

#FORGOT... I am his wife
You all, forced me to marry him. (thanks techdirters)
And no, I will not go and make you a sammich, you charity raping husband of mine.
Get back to work, commenting on techdirt or you will be sleeping on the couch tonight.
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:35am

Re: Re:
... His wife?
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:36am

Re: Re:
I don't, BUT I want him to legally put Inman over a barrel.

Mind blown ?
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Cory of PC (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:36am

Re:
Well, sleeping on the couch will be a step up from sleeping on the floor... though I'll probably be still sleeping there after this comment.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:43am

Re:
And I for one, can't wait to see how they respond :D
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:47am

Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
Your title is not fitting. Your idea of trolling is repeating the same tired lines over and over, failing to realize your points have no merit.

This is about copyright.

in conclusion, murderers
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Machin Shin (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:49am

Re:
Really I for one hope he keeps going. I have been getting a great amount of entertainment out of watching him shoot himself in the foot. The really funny part is that most people when they shoot themselves in the foot normally do not get mad and grab progressively bigger guns to try and fix it.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:57am

Re:
Nothing you write makes any sense. Is English your first language?
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Ananymous Coward of pointing out the obvious troll, 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:06am

Re: Fallacy but given it's subliminal..... LEGIT outcome
Stop feeding the Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling. His name very clearly states what he/she is doing... yet folks still reply.
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TDR, 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:18am

The foolishness is strong with this one [Carreon].

I find his lack of sense disturbing.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:22am

With a name..
With a name like "Carreon", is it a surprise that he continues digging ? :).
To be honest, schadenfreude at the expense of Carreon is more fun than watching everyone behave like grownups on the internet.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:31am

USING charities for his own personal gain.... how moral
Tickets are available, but there is few things to remember.

Using people for your own gain is a requirement, not an option.
You have to learn to choose the people you use wisely, you have to live with yourself after all.
Your skills should never be manipulated out of you, research the people who say, "they are worth giving a fuck about" and want your help. You could unknowingly be helping a real sick-fuck, again...you have to live with yourself
Be no ones personal army.
You should never use an innocent party.(including charities)

If you have no morals ... (not a moralfag) you can ignore all that but you will pay with your soul.

Still interested... you need to lurk moar.
You are on your own, now scram!
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:34am

Re: Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
The merit comes in the result.

If I donate to charity, will you then, be on my side ?
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:51am

What if, I am legit tho ?
Heaven forbid... I actually think Carreon is a tool and Inman is a tool.

A good result for me is Inman having to pay $20,000.
Charity getting the money.
Carreon being exposed as himself ( what he's doing..lulz )

Difference is... I am not in the Inman fanclub.
I think he is a right royal, manipulative, using tool.
Poor Inman attacked by big bad funnyjunk...WTF
Inman could pay the $20,000 settlement with a weeks income.

He DID (fact) call funnyjunk "thieves".

Legally that may be defamation. ( we will see )

If it is.... you get what you get

Donating to charity does FUCK ALL to resolve the situation.

All it was USED for, is manipulating public support.
A reason to dislike him for playing innocent unsuspecting people.
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AB, 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:51am

Re:
Liking Inman has nothing to do with this. DISLIKING Carreon and his behavior is what's at point here.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:52am

Re: Re:
you can't read.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:59am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Mocking someone publicly is protected speech. In this case, he might even be able to make a claim that the charity fundraiser was symbolic speech (like burning a flag or, as a story a few posts up mentions, pissing on a passport).
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 10:05am

Re: Re:
Oh... I sure dislike Carreon. aka..The friend-making machine
( as I have said, multiple times )
I just don't blindly support Inman because of what Carreon does or how much money he raised for charity.

Is, not supporting Inman 100% , like "The Worst Herricy Man Can Preach"
Or maybe It's ...
someone not emotionally drawn to hate the evil enemies of Inman ?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 10:15am

Re: Re: Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
That's the problem with squares, man, they think everything has a side.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 10:34am

(+1) or "agree" ... just me sucking up to people : )
Agree, it's entertaining.
Theoretical BONUS drama ahead!
If he wins even just $1..... ultimate lulz will ensue.
C'mon Carreon... you can do it !

ouch...I can feel the butthurt from here, by the making of that statement.

It would "up the drama" of this several notches.
Who can deny that wouldn't be a good thing to witness !
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 10:47am

Re: Re:
Sleeping on the floor is good for your back.
See...it's how you look at it.

Like...
When life gives you lemon's , fuck it, your screwed.
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 11:00am

Re: Re: Just curious...
Sorry your question is flawed...
the artwork depicted a mother molesting a bear, making her the aggressor.
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 11:01am

Re:
at first i lol'd
then i was like :| cause its prolly true...
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Ben (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 11:06am

Re: Digging up!
I think this is very applicable. In both the immortal (and stupid) words of Homer Simpson and Chief Wiggum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b97zJxKEqAk
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 11:11am

Re: Re: Re:
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don�t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
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Don, 19 Jun 2012 @ 11:22am

The Carry-On Effect...
If he continues to 'carry-on', he risks becoming carrion.
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davebarnes (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 11:29am

$200,015
as of 1429 EDT on 19JUN2012

Fuck you Carrion.
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ltlw0lf (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 12:07pm

Re:
How long before we start seeing "Calm Down and Carreon" shirts? Man, I'd love to see those.
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TtfnJohn (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 1:37pm

Re: Re:
That one's even better!

And Carreon is likely to end up as carrion if he doesnt' stop digging.

Nice change in emphasis that we can't do with Streisand Effect. :-)
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Get off my cyber-lawn! (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 1:44pm

The MachinShin Correlation to the Carreon Effect
I think we now have the MachinShin Correlation to The Carreon Effect - When one is digging ones self into an inescapable hole, one simply needs a larger shovel to dig faster!
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TtfnJohn (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 1:49pm

Re: I'm waiting for the film
He also reminds me of Basil Fawlty.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 2:46pm

Re:
I think he is a right royal, manipulative, using tool.

You keep claiming this, but never back it up with anything besides "oh you're manipulated!"

Inman could pay the $20,000 settlement with a weeks income.

WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO? He didn't do anything wrong (as you have admitted.) Why should he pay someone else money?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:37pm

Re: Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
Don't forget that the 'law to remove the shield' probably doesn't even apply. Inman isn't based in California, and IndieGoGo is protected by 230. Something the lawyer should have realized at the start.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 3:39pm

Re: Re: Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
I wonder... how many were donating for the part BEFORE the charities? You know, the part where he takes a picture of himself rolling in the pile of cash?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 4:07pm

Re: Re: Re:
Yes. We get it. You don't like Inman. You keep beating us over the head with your opinionated attacks on him. Blah blah blah blah blah. Just give it a rest, already.
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Alana (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 4:12pm

Carreon carreon carreon carreon carreon.

Repetition is fun.
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Charles' Dad, 19 Jun 2012 @ 5:37pm

Carreon, my wayward son.
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apauld (profile), 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:01pm

Re: Re:
I am wondering how long until some starts making memes with his image; and then posts them to funnyjunk.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:21pm

Re: Re: Re: Just curious...
So Carreon's mother molested bears much to the shame of the family.

I do wonder when FunnyJunk will hire a new lawyer with their interests at heart.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 8:22pm

How is a pro-cancer anti wildlife lawyer supposed to survive in a world where everyone knows his name?
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Lurker Keith, 19 Jun 2012 @ 9:01pm

Popehat has Part V up
Popehat: The Oatmeal v. FunnyJunk, Part V: A Brief Review of Charles Carreon's Complaint

A summary of the contents:

Today, as promised, I'm going to talk a bit about the merits of � no, the substance of � you know, scratch that. I'm going to talk about the butthurt that Charles Carreon angrily crayoned down and chucked at a federal judge.

Hilarity Ensues.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2012 @ 10:03pm

Re: Re: Re:
"If you carry on, Carreon, you'll end up as carrion."
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 20 Jun 2012 @ 2:24am

Edit copypasta to be what it's meant to be
I should av expected that copypasta ! Well played.

ProTip: next time, create an account named "Cave Johnson".
Remove all references of "Cave Johnson" and replace with "me, I" etc..

That will turn the copypasta into it's best form... CreepyPasta
Someone is sure to fall for it
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Marcel de Jong (profile), 20 Jun 2012 @ 2:46am

Re: Re: Re: Just curious...
Perhaps Carreon is member of NAMBLA? (National Association for Man BEAR Love of America)
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 20 Jun 2012 @ 2:58am

Fanboys hate it but.....
Manipulated public opinion and media coverage, using charity and his skills as SEO, viral marketer and link generating scam artist to spam his message.

I don't buy the narrative of....
Poor independent charitable cartoonist V the extortionate thieves
( who created that narrative? )

The law MIGHT say he did do something wrong.

Finally, I am sure he is really a nice guy, but calling filesharers "thieves" for sharing his comics is a blatant lie.
USING a charity for personal gain (PR) is really slimey, that is what pissed me off the most about him. He didn't have to do it, and there is no indication that he acknowledges that it was a slimeball thing to do.

Raising money for charity is good, but doing it as a way to fight a defamation case, doesn't even make sense.
HIS positive public perception OR funnyjunks negative public perception... is the reason he raised money for charity.
He used the charity for his own personal gain... in this instance.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 20 Jun 2012 @ 3:17am

request denied
It's not that I don't like Inman.
I don't like what he done, is doing.
He is probably a really nice guy. ( Carreon could be too)
Using charities for personal gain is a dick move which makes me think he is a using bastard.
I am not the type of person who takes people at face value so even if, in this instance, Inman is being a using bastard, that does NOT define him as a person.

People are accumulations of good and bad.
I am not the one with a one sided view on how Inman is 100% good or bad. I find that one sided view to be ridiculous and naive.

So what I am arguing against....
The ignorance of the bad, in the face of it's presence.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 20 Jun 2012 @ 3:41am

Re: Re: Re: Re: I want Inman to receive that fury for USING charities for his own personal gain.
That I could 100% get behind.
I would donate myself. That is potentially a good troll.
The issue of him calling copying "theft", would still be there but....

He could roll about in the $20,000 raised, with a caption.
$20,000 you aren't getting !

problem ?

Have a caption contest.
Force-Meme the shit out of the image and spam it en-mass to funnyjunk.
That, I could get behind with lulz...
Using charities is low.
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Lurker Keith, 20 Jun 2012 @ 9:34am

2 more links
Ars Technica has a new post, which has a Quote from Popehat's Oatmeal Coverage Part V, which I posted about earlier.

Also, it links to Marc Randazza's blog post about the suit, titled "Carreon Triples Down � Sues Matthew Inman".
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AB, 20 Jun 2012 @ 10:09am

Re: Re: Re:
It doesn't matter what you think of Inman. Looking through the comments everywhere I would actually say the audience is pretty divided on that subject with half of them loving him and the other half hating him (and the rest of us in the middle), but it doesn't matter because that really has nothing to do with the issue.

What matters is that Carreon is abusing the law. That has the potential to effect all of us and is a very serious issue. This situation has presented an unexpected opportunity for people to speak up about their concerns and they are doing so with gusto.

As a lawyer, Carreon has an extensive education and had the opportunity to respond to Inman in a rational manner by writing a well considered and intelligent reply and riposte. Even if that meant recognizing his initial errors it would have gotten him much further then then this fiasco will. Even if he actually wins something in court (unlikely as that is) he will still lose since this will pretty much destroy his credentials.

Your attitude toward Inman has nothing to do with this. Other then his position as fire starter and defendant he also has no real part in this. This whole Abuse-of-the-Law thing is Carreon's work. Thus he gets all the attention, good or bad.

In fact I would even say that at the moment you are guilty of attempting exactly the same thing you are so upset about Inman doing: manipulating public opinion for your own purposes. (Of course that is what trolls do, so perhaps congratulations are actually in order here.)
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AB, 20 Jun 2012 @ 10:14am

Re: Re: Re:
Hey! Starving and malnourished people all over the world would LOVE to have those lemons. Don't thrown them away, share them! :)
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Lurker Keith, 20 Jun 2012 @ 3:02pm

Tara's real
Popehat's commenters on Part V appear to have proven that the "Tara Carreon" who's been posting everywhere, including Techdirt, is the real Tara, & not just some troll impersonator.

They've caught her crossposting here posts here to her "library"... & a Linguist has analyzed her posts on various sites.

One also points out that Techdirt hasn't been added to the suit for her impersonation as further evidence.
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Lurker Keith, 20 Jun 2012 @ 4:16pm

YouTube coverage
There is now a video report for this...

NewsyTech has a story up on YouTube now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flH7HGnzfWg

Really, it just recaps less than what everyone here has probably already read, though.

It's only a matter of time before I see it on TV, isn't it?
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alanbleiweiss (profile), 21 Jun 2012 @ 7:56am

Barbara should sue
OMG this is priceless. Except Carreon should be careful here. If it does continue, and we adapt the "Carreon Effect", Streisand might just sue him for infringement and "causing confusion". :-)
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Lurker Keith, 21 Jun 2012 @ 11:21am

Popehat: Oatmeal v. Funnyjunk Part VI
The Oatmeal v. FunnyJunk, Part VI: The Electronic Frontier Foundation Steps In
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Jun 2012 @ 11:22am

The EFF is stepping in:

�This lawsuit is a blatant attempt to abuse the legal process to punish a critic,� said EFF Intellectual Property Director Corynne McSherry. �We're very glad to help Mr. Inman fight back.�

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-will-represent-oatmeal-creator-fight-against-bizarr e-lawsuit-targeting-critical
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Jun 2012 @ 2:04pm

#TheCarreonEffect
I put it out there.....NOW GO AND BE TWEET!
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