Charles Carreon Tries To Intimidate Parodist With Bizarre List Of Demands Plus DMCA Takedown Threat

from the declaratory-judgment dept

Tue, Jul 3rd 2012 3:03am — Mike Masnick

Another day, another story about Charles Carreon digging himself a deeper and deeper hole. This time, it starts with him threatening to sue both the person who set up the parody site charles-carreon.com and Register.com, where the domain was registered. Register.com failed to live up to its own "privacy" promises regarding registration info, and exposed the name and personal info of the person who registered the site after receiving a letter from Carreon, despite direct promises to the person's lawyer. After another phone call in which the lawyer, Paul Levy, warned Register.com that it faced breach of contract charges, it made the info private again.

However, Carreon continued to threaten the blogger, leading to a rather bizarre exchange between Carreon and Levy, which relates to some history that Carreon has had with Levy's organization, Public Citizen, and a case we wrote about last year, involving a website run by Carreon and his wife. In the end, the owner of charles-carreon.com felt sufficiently threatened by Carreon's claims that s/he has decided to file for declaratory judgment to stop Carreon from suing. Part of the reason for seeking declaratory judgment was Carreon's direct threat to go after the blogger at a later date in various jurisdictions. He also threatened to use the DMCA takedown process to try to censor the site, because it uses a photo he claims copyright over. There's significant irony in the fact that Carreon is now threatening to abuse the DMCA process to stifle speech -- when what kicked this whole thing off was his DMCA-based defense of Funnyjunk and its failure to remove copyright-covered images.

Carreon's threat-letter response to Levy is something to behold, and can be viewed towards the bottom of the filing (pdf and embedded below). Here's a key part:

As far as when and where I will sue your client, be certain that it will occur if your client does not cede the domain, and advise her of ten things:

There there is essentially no statute of limitations on this claim, and the prima facie laches defense would not kick in for at least three years.
That venue in this action can be validly laid in at least three places, maybe four, if she doesn't live in Arizona, Florida, or California.
That I am capable of employing counsel to handle my claim against her, who will incur attorneys fees and seek recovery of the same. I filed pro se against Inman simply for sake of convenience and the need for speed, and not from a lack of resources.
That the law in this area cannot be predicted with certainty, will evolve substantially over the next three years, during which I will be using digital forensics to establish actual trademark damages in addition to seeking the maximum cybersquatting penalty of $100,000.
That a judgment that recites that the domain was obtained by fraud upon the registrar, in the form of a misrepresentation that she did not know of my trademark on the name, might well be non-dischargeable in bankruptcy.
That a judgment can be renewed indefinitely until collected, and that California judgments accrue 10% interest, which can compound once ever ten years by capitalizing the accumulated interest.
That you cannot guarantee that Public Citizen will provide her with free legal services on June 1, 2015, when I may very well send the process server 'round to her door.
That I have the known capacity to litigate appeals for years (check my Westlaw profile, and of course, the drawn out history of Penguin v. American Buddha, now in its third year, having passed through the Second Circuit and the NYCA, and still hung up in personal jurisdiction in the SDNY).
That the litigation, being of first impression in virtually every Circuit, grounded in a federal question, involving a registered trademark, and dispositive of many open issues in the field of Internet commerce and speech, might very well continue for a decade.
That Public Citizen might well be unable and/or unwilling to provide her with representation until the resolution of such an extended course of litigation.

He goes on to chide Levy and Public Citizen for "leaping to the defense of someone who is in league with a person who has harnessed the lowest impulses of puerile, vituperative Internet youth to generate a Charitable Fund that has been used to bribe two major charities into tacitly endorsing a campaign that is utterly devoid of charitable purpose, and is a mere cover for a hate campaign."

Uh, yeah. At best, this demonstrates that Carreon still has no clue about what's happening. He still thinks that there's some big campaign against him, and he's still lashing out without realizing that every time he does so he just draws more negative attention to himself. Most people tend to learn that when doing something makes the situation worse, they shouldn't keep doing it. Carreon seems unable to make that basic connection. The rather blatant threats against the blog owner -- to go after her in multiples jurisdictions and at a later date when Public Citizen might not be able to take her case -- are examples of the exact wrong way to handle something like this. It's an old-fashioned lawyer attitude: take an extreme position that you can back down from later. But in this case, it just seems to display -- quite vividly for the judge -- Carreon's true intentions: to be such a nuisance that people stop mocking him. One of these days, he may discover that each time he does that, he's only encouraging more and more ridicule.

Oh, and in the meantime, as for his attempt at getting a temporary restraining order to stop the money raised from being distributed, the judge has asked for proof that the charities have received the money -- as has been stated by IndieGoGo and Matthew Inman. If that is shown to be true, it seems likely that the judge will find no reason to consider the TRO request any more, since it's meaningless.

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Filed Under: charles carreon, dmca, matthew inman, paul alan levy, public citizen, streisand effect
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:19am

If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
Carreon sure puts up a ferocious fight.
The guy is a savage !

Remind me never to cross him, I like my bum-hole the way it is.
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:19am

I hope a copy of this is forwarded to the Judge in his pending case in CA, where he has claimed financial hardship from having to cough up $1000 for a flight to the court for proceedings.

It appears he is more than willing to abuse the courts time in pursuing claims of questionable merit simply to attack people for having a bad opinion of him and his actions.

I look forward to the floor being mopped with him.

oh and because its been 14.5 minutes...
Christ what an asshole.
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maclypse (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:22am

This is actually going beyond funny and into the realm of unbelievably sad. My question is this: how long can Carreon ( funny name for a bottom feeder ) keep this before it becomes harassment and gets him both disbarred and a jail sentence? I mean... He's embarrassing his colleagues! Right?
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[citation needed or GTFO], 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:30am

Wow...
I know this has been said before, but...

Has he even heard of Jack Thompson? Maybe Carreon sees him as a role model to strive or surpass his legacy.

Actually, maybe that was his master plan all along: to become infamous and synonymous with "internet crackpot." I mean, he's already known as "Carreon the Critic" and the creator of the "Carreon Effect."
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Keii (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:41am

Slow moving train wreck.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:48am

I hope Carreon really does postpone the case for 3 years. It'll make the same amount of sense then as it does now, and maybe after chilling for 3 years he'd do what he should've already done by now: look back on the matter and think, "what in the world was I so upset about?"
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Argonel (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:52am

This level of bizarre behavior has me starting to wonder if there is something physically wrong in his brain. What would it take to force him to see a psychologist and/or force him to have a CT scan or MRI to prove that he doesn't have a brain tumor that would be affecting his behavior.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:53am

Tara please comment, your greats you are.
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Zakida Paul (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:05am

This has an air of someone who knows the fight is lost but keeps fighting anyway about it.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:05am

got beyond a joke now. the man is an annoying moron. cant wait for something to happen actually in court and he gets one of the biggest fucks going stuck into him!
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:12am

The heartless one has a point
Carreon quote:

"generate a Charitable Fund that has been used to bribe two major charities into tacitly endorsing a campaign that is utterly devoid of charitable purpose, and is a mere cover for a hate campaign"

I agree with this, (again... flame me for it please, I know you wanna)
Hate funnyjunk because of Inmans words... Donate to charity to make all defense of funnyjunk seem unethical....seems legit! (that's what happened)

Proof of the effects (self centered version):
If I make ANY negative comment about Inman, the supporters come out in angry defense mode, in support of the poor, kind, charitable, defenseless cartoonist.
(that's a really accurate description...yeah..*cough *cough *bullshit *cough)
Also... You all forced me to marry him, remember ?... I am his wife, facepalm.gif

The BEST outcome of all this manufactured drama

1. "Carreon The Evilllll" � wins against "Inman the manipulative" �

2. The charities get the money.

3. The Inman supporters see Inman for real.

4. Carreon get's a bj from his wife.
( the real reason he is fighting so hard, I did promise you that bj IF you win sweetheart )

5. ???????

6. Profit!
TL;DR:

I am inviting you to hate me because.....
you give a fuck about a person that, you shouldn't give a fuck about.

PROTiP: Reply in angry comments only. ( moarr hate = moarr WiNcest amirite? )

BONUS POINTS: If you call me Carreon's wife and make a funny that makes US laugh.
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Prisoner 201, 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:26am

What."
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William Chambers, 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:32am

Just wow
Ya know, I was hoping last week that this idiot would keep talking. But then, I thought to myself that no one could be that bloody stupid and that it would have to end.

Seems I was mistaken. Anyone want some popcorn?
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William, 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:33am

Re:
Not only that, but I can't see a Judge smiling on this dudes attitude. I mean, he's happily bragged he'll abuse the court system. No one, including Judges, likes that.
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Cixelsid (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:58am

Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
I too am properly scared stiff. And I hope this serves as a warning for all denizens of the internet to not tangle with awesome lawyers who litigated sex.com
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abc gum, 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:00am

Does this qualify as "Full Retard Mode" ?

I wonder how this will affect Inman's reaction to future instances of copyright infringement. Will he again take the high road, or opt for the gangs of lawyers approach?
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Cory of PC (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:02am

Re: Just wow
I'll take some, and don't forget to give some to Infamous Joe. He ran out so it'll be nice to give him some.
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Vidiot (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:05am

Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
"... for all denizens of the internet.."
You mean puerile youth of the internet, right?
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:10am

The funny part is that all of the points are correct. You may not LIKE them, but they are factual and correct. He appears to be a bit of a loose cannon, but perhaps his stuff is more a commentary on the litigious nature of the US system, and not of anything else.
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Rikuo (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:11am

After reading this, I went to a bookies and tried to get a bet that Carreon wouldn't do something stupider after this.

The bookie refused to take the bet.
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Hephaestus (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:11am

Re:
This has the air of someone who is OCD, easily insulted, and becomes easily fixated.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:12am

Re: Wow...
also, Charlie the Censor
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Cory of PC (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:16am

Uh, as a Floridian and someone who doesn't law, what is Carreon blabbing in his second demand? Then again, why is he using California law when... man, this guy is giving me a headache trying to figure out the complexity of this amount of stupid.

All of this is making me want to shout to Carreon "everything you know is wrong!" Seriously, this guy tries, but he's fighting an evolving creature that's kinda unforgiving. If he has any smarts left in that head of his, he should stop and look at the situation he is in before he does any further damage. Maybe taking a breather instead of frantically digging will help understand what is going on and maybe, just maybe, he could redeem whatever he has left of himself (but that's a bit of a stretch at this point...)

Really Carreon, listen to us. Sure we like to egg you, but you REALLY got to stop before you blow up! ... But if you don't want to listen, then keep on digging. It'll be fun to watch you explode into a million pieces once you lose everything in this fight.
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Hephaestus (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:19am

Re:
Just because you are able to do something under the law doesn't make it right. The laws as written can be used to threaten and harass pretty much anyone. Carreon is an idiot his only last legacy will be the phrase Carreon-effect, and when that shows up on wikipedia I fully expect him to sue about it.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:24am

Re: The heartless one has a point
You are not funny.
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Cory of PC (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:33am

Re: Re:
What about Urban Dictionary? Or maybe TV Tropes? Know Your Meme? Once you get someone to write some information on those sites, then it's likely that Carreon will sue them as well. Though I'm betting that he'll be dead if he even take on TV Tropes...
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Daniel Morritt (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:38am

Re: The heartless one has a point
Why shouldn't we "give a fuck" about Inman? He's been providing free (originally created) humour for years now, yeah, that must be it, the internet is srs buisness! Get rid of all that funny junk off the internet, oh, wait... You see what I did there?

- Not so anonymous troll.
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Cixelsid (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:47am

Re: Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
Sadly not all denizens are youthful :(
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 5:49am

Did you hear?
Well the boogieman is probably going to come looking for me lol.. Still I hope he does so I can make a fucking media circus out of it and ask tons of suggestive questions out there.

I'll assume these are most likely true until I see proof that they're not. Physical proof Charles not a cheap statement.

Hey! Did you guys know Charles Carreon probably sacrifices babies to Satan?

Does Charles Carreon rape dead people?

Is Charles Carreon a secret member of the KKK?

Does Charles Carreons wife give handjobs for crack?

Did Charles Carreon get away with murder? Was he the one that really killed JFK. "I told his parents it was a bad idea to give a toddler a sniper rifle."

Did Charles Carreon invent AIDS?

Is Charles Carreon hooked on meth?

Is Charles Carreon really a reptilian? "Sry could not help it rofl I had to ask!"

Is Charles Carreon really Saddam Hussein is disguise?

Can pink elephants fly?

Is Charles Carreon a serial killer?
Does Charles Carreon have dead bodies hit under his house?

Is Charles Carreon a terrorist?

Was 9/11 Charles Carreons fault?

Does Charles Carreon abuse the elderly?

LOL Feel free to ask your own questions. I really think this is the stuff that should be addressed ASAP!!
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:04am

Looking over his career to date, it does look like it's been spiralling around the plughole for most of this century. The sad loss of his son, 5 years ago probably hasn't helped. I really think this man needs help, help he won't get unless the courts put a stop to his nonsense about this.
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Trails (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:05am

Re: The heartless one has a point
Gosh gee, I'd sure love to learn more about how the Illuminati, and possibly Condoleezza are behind all this. Can you elaborate?
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Trails (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:08am

Re:
All of his points are not factually correct by a long shot. He's gone ballistic cause he was mocked. This is not illegal.

Carreon has misstated sums, relationships, etc... over and over.
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ebilrawkscientist (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:13am

tah tah
/me throws Carreon out with the bathwater. Oh, and I'm on the 25th floor... owch.
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NullOp, 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:22am

Complaints
Sounds like this guy would do well to grow a thicker skin as would we all. Like life, the internet isn't always an easy place to live.
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Nom du Clavier (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:24am

Re:
Speaking of his brain, now I know what tomorrow's big announcement is going to be about, that had them fly in Higgs and others: A black hole has been observed, right here on Earth.
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trish, 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:31am

threat
that was a good threat letter. I am afraid of Charles Carreon.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:39am

creating a fake site about the man, to me isnt a joke, it is potentially ID theft, and stalking/harassment, it isnt protected at all
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:49am

creating a fake site about the Carreon, to me is a joke, it is not potentially ID theft, and stalking/harassment, it is protected at all
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NL, 3 Jul 2012 @ 6:53am

I find it extraordinarily amusing that funnyjunk.com is hosting this image:

http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/3823750/The+Carreon+Effect/
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bratwurzt (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:07am

This Carreon couple remind me of Indiana Gregg sockpuppetry fail.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:15am

Re:
It's parody. Parody absolutely is protected.
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Jes Lookin, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:16am

Jes a Question
I have a question about this and other lawyer-stupidity documented on this website - At some point, can the idiots just be disbarred ? I'd think that a judge/employer/bar association would eventually have enought evidence (and inspiration) to remove obvious incompetents.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:22am

Re:
You have no idea what identity theft, stalking, and harassment are.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:25am

Re:
... all of the points are correct. You may not LIKE them, but they are factual and correct

Mr Carreon writes in point 9:

That the litigation, being of first impression in virtually every Circuit, grounded in a federal question, involving a registered trademark, and dispositive of many open issues in the field of Internet commerce and speech, might very well continue for a decade.

We can all read: Mr Carreon asserts, as fact, that his purported cause of action against Doe is a question �of first impression in virtually every Circuit.�

I'd call your attention to Mr Levy's letter of June 22, 2012, reproduced in �Attachment A� of the Doe v Carreon complaint :

I have explained to you that Bosley Medical Center, 403 F.3d 672 (9th Cir. 2005), and Nissan Motor Co. v. Nissan Computer Co., 378 F.3d 1002 (9th 2004), both preclude the use of trademark law to stop my client's use of a web site posted at a domain name that uses your trademark as a site for nonp-commercial [sic] criticism directed at you. There are, indeed, numerous cases in other circuits that protect the right to use a domain name in the form www.trademark.com for a web site about the trademark holder against a variety of trademark claims. Utah Lighthouse Ministry v. Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, 527 F.3d 1045 (10th Cir. 2008);; Lamparello v. Falwell, 430 F.3d 309 (4th Cir. 2005);TMI v. Maxwell, 368 F.3d 433, 436-438 (5th Cir 2004); Taubmain v. Webfeats, 319 F3d 770 (6th Cir. 2003).

From Bosley Medical v Kremer (9th Cir. 2005):

SILVERMAN, Circuit Judge.

Defendant Michael Kremer was dissatisfied with the hair restoration services provided to him by the Bosley Medical Institute, Inc. In a bald-faced effort to get even, Kremer started a website at www.BosleyMedical.com, which, to put it mildly, was uncomplimentary of the Bosley Medical Institute. The problem is that "Bosley Medical" is the registered trademark of the Bosley Medical Institute, Inc., which brought suit against Kremer for trademark infringement and like claims. Kremer argues that noncommercial use of the mark is not actionable as infringement under the Lanham Act. Bosley responds that Kremer is splitting hairs.

Like the district court, we agree with Kremer. We hold today that the noncommercial use of a trademark as the domain name of a website � the subject of which is consumer commentary about the products and services represented by the mark � does not constitute infringement under the Lanham Act.�.�.�.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:26am

Re: The heartless one has a point
Wha...?
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technomage (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:27am

Re:
lol, next up Carreon suing funnyjunk for hosting image, claims to represent himself and funnyjunk...plays both defense and prosecution. Asks himself an impossible question, and short circuits like the androids of Harry Mudd.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:28am

Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
If it was just about comics, I would agree 100%. I really would.

Giving other peoples money to charity to fight of a $20,000 defamation, while earning +$500,000 per year(let's make it well over $2million this year, considering the free manufactured publicity this is getting)
yes manufactured...same story, same narrative, same facts omitted, same biased angle... spammed and linked everywhere at the same time.
Admit..The story has shifted to "Carreon the Eviillll" which is fun to watch, and is all Careon's own work,
but... who didn't know that Lawyers don't give a fuck about bad PR ?
Casey Anthony Attorney, Jose Baez sure gave a lot of fucks...amirite?

Viral marketeer and SEo with previous link scamming history !
I have to give a fuck ?( he is a poor, defenseless cartoonist.. bullshit )

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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:28am

Re:
"Will he (Inman) again take the high road, or opt for the gangs of lawyers approach?"

Probably the high road.
He seems like that sort of guy.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:30am

Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
Misdirected comment...
You should have posted that on Inmans blog.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:30am

Re: Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
"...earning +$500,000 per year..."

Citation, boy?
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:34am

Re:
Even Carreon's clients are turning against him!
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:34am

Re: The heartless one has a point
You are so annoying and you are just all over every article, please ask for more responsibilities at work or something so you don't have as much time to waste being an idiot on the internet.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:37am

Re: Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
People gave money because fuck bullshit legal threats, not to help him fight anything. He didn't ask for donation to pay the 20 grand to make the lawsuit go away, he did it to show that the internet doesn't stand for that sort of bullshit.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:39am

And WHO jumped to wild conclusions ?
Yeah... my tinfoil hat protects me from people taking my money and giving it to charity.
Other benefits of tinfoil hats...
They reflect arguments from people who willfully ignore facts.
They are quite fashionable(Lie).
They can be converted into many things, like a ball (I am creative)

Not to be confused with Aluminum Foil hats, crazy people who jump to conclusions wear those.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:42am

QUICK AN OPINION YOU DISAGREE WITH.....

YOU MUST STOP THIS....

SAY "HE IS WASTING TIME BEING AN IDIOT".....

That will change the world to fit your views.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:45am

Re: Jes a Question
I have a question about this and other lawyer-stupidity documented on this website...?

I'd suggest following Childress, Frisch and Lipshaw's Legal Profession Blog.

For instance, one of the recent entries there:

A Four Year Career Ends In Disbarment

The Maryland Court of Appeals has disbarred an attorney admitted to practice in 2008.

The attorney was found in violation of multuple ethics rules in three complaints. One of the matters involved her failure of provide competent representation to a number of homeless clients. The matters were accepted by the attorney on a pro bono basis through the Homeless Persons Representation Project and involved expungement petitions that were time-sensitive.

The attorney had entered into a diversion agreement with the Bar but failed to honor its terms. She also had made false statements to Bar Counsel and failed to respond to the bar complaints. (Mike Frisch)

I think it's important for the general population to understand how the bar is regulating itself.

�

( Of course, I think there's a lot of things that I think the general population ought to interest itself in... and obviously people just don't have time for that kind of involved citizenship. )
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Jesse (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:49am

Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
You know what it is about Carreon? He is from an age when people properly feared crossing lawyers, and there was really no meaningful recourse to a lawyer bully picking on you.

Carreon can't comprehend that in the internet age, if he is a major jerk, everyone sees. And when I say everyone, I mean everyone...I've noticed people bringing this up in conversation who normally don't spend much time on the internet. He is creating a giant asterisk by his name, which will follow him the rest of his life.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:49am

If you havnt had a chance yet, check out his nutbag wife
http://www.naderlibrary.com/bulletin_board/viewtopic.php?t=896&postdays=0&postorder=as c&start=0
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:52am

At the very least , call me a....... Ladyboy !
At last...it made it to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oatmeal

How does a web comic earn $1,000 a day in revenue?
http://mixergy.com/matthew-inman-oatmeal-interview/

Last week The Economist magazine profiled Matthew Inman about the creation and revenue of his comic, �The Oatmeal.� They said that he did $1,000 a day in sales on a typical day and that he earned $70,000 in sales on a single day last year on Black Friday.
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CallmeFred (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:54am

IMHO, Chucky is a moron and a bully. Trademark that.

F
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Dreddsnik, 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:54am

Re: threat
" I am afraid of Charles Carreon. "

Why ?

In his letter he openly. blatantly admitted he intended to use the law as a sword, not a shield. As someone stated above, there isn't a Judge in the country that will be happy about being used as a tool to harass and threaten, and that what Carreon clearly states his intention is. It IS clear cut, Parody IS protected speech. If Carreon was a force to be reckoned with at one time, he isn't anymore. He just undermined anything he is doing now and may try in the future with this filing. He is now as fearsome a feather.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:57am

Re: Re: Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
Now that is a jump to a conclusion...
Speculation as to why... while ignoring the the real benefiter.

The Internet, being played by viral marketers and SEO's since 2000.
People will never get this.
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GMacGuffin (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 7:59am

Issue of First Impression? Expressly Vexatious Litigation? Really?
"9. That the litigation, being of first impression in virtually every Circuit, grounded in a federal question, involving a registered trademark, and dispositive of many open issues in the field of Internet commerce and speech, might very well continue for a decade."

Actually, it's been litigated a whole lot. It's called a "gripe site," which is described as "a web site established to criticize an institution such as a corporation, union, government body, or political figure. Not surprisingly, powerful institutions often do not take kindly to being criticized, and they have invented a variety of ways to try to suppress the speech of their adversaries."

Oh, and that quote apparently came from attorney Paul Levy, of Public Citizen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gripe_Sites

Perhaps those funds at your disposal should be used to fire up a Westlaw subscription.

And Chuck, brazenly threatening to forum shop and to prolong litigation for the express purpose of outspending and wearing down the opposition is a big fat bucket of ethical violations. But you know that, right?
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GMacGuffin (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:03am

Re: Re:
Cue Daffy Duck frantically jumping from well to witness chair while he cross-examines himself.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:10am

"Finally, as a longtime member of Public Citizen and major contributor to Ralph Nader's last presidential bid, I am utterly disgusted to see the organization he founded leaping to the defense of someone who is in league with

a person who has harnessed the lowest impulses of puerile, vituperative Internet youth to generate a Charitable Fund that has been used to bribe two major charities into tacitly endorsing a campaign that is utterly devoid of charitable purpose, and is a mere cover for a hate campaign.
Apparently Public Citizen is now a proponent of charitable fraud and misrepresentation, and feels that mysoginistic hate speech trumps a lawyer's right to keep control of his trademarked image in the field of legal services, where a lawyer's name is everything.
The membership news I regularly receive from Public Citizen about mislabeled drugs and health care fraud is apparently a mere cloak for some absurd agenda being dictated by pointy-headed Internet mavens with no concern for the public good and a vested interest in legitimizing Netwar and digital lynching.
Please forward this email to the Director and the Board of Public Citizen, and to Ralph Nader and let them know what you are up to, because you are up to your eyeballs in foolishness."

So now he is upset that Public Citizen would help someone who he is going after.
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Noah Callaway (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:14am

Re: The heartless one has a point
Slow clap for having troll in your name, leaving obvious trolling comments, and STILL getting a big response.

Sir, you are clearly a professional.
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weneedhelp (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:29am

Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
Dont be an idiot.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:31am

True.. He is digging his way to eternal hates-ville.

I don't think he cares much about how people see him, tho.
The going after charities was a tell tale sign of how much he cares about negative PR. All he cares about is the Law and currently, how to use it to destroy Inman.
But really, we have seen this from lawyers before and we will see it again.

100% Legal injustice happens all the time.
People are acting like it's the first time ever it has been attempted or seen, they also think that public opinion will change case law.
As if lawyers ever only work for ethical and moral causes... ( are people that delusional )

I do question the injustice part of this case, a defamation case is just that, and I don't see the injustice if Inman has to pay funnyjunk $20,000, for calling them "theives". But then again, I never bought into the whole "good defenseless cartoonist" narrative to begin with.
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Cory of PC (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:44am

Re: threat
... Is that sarcasm?
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:46am

The point of law and the justice system is to safeguard personal and civil liberties while aiding in the maintenance of a civil and peaceable society; not to be used as a bludgeon in the pursuit of personal, petty vendettas.

This man does his profession and the people he represents a disservice by his actions.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:49am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
Of course it generates traffic. He runs a website it is his job to generate traffic. He could have never shown the letter and quietly told Carreon to fuck off. Wait, people who live off money generated by their website try and get people to go to their website? Holy shit man what a fucking conspiracy.

But quietly telling someone to fuck off isn't nearly as effective as having the internet tell them to fuck off and if you haven't noticed funnyjunk has not pursued the claims they said they would if they didn't get their 20K.

Next your gonna tell me that commercials are designed to sell products and strippers don't really love me.

Your use of ellipsis is irritating and pointless. End your fucking sentence or complete your thought.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:56am

Re:
It's not your opinion it your writing style and your attitude. It's purposefully annoying, it is annoying, and its littering every fucking article.

So great job on being annoying. Good job wasting time writing a hundred posts a day in the most annoying form of netizen grammar and syntax you can. You really add to the discussion by not learning how to use ellipses.

I give about 0.001 fucks about Inman and only came in here to see if there was more crazies from Tera. I just happen to be sick enough of you to take the time to tell you that your an annoying peasant.

So gratz troll have some rage tears to lube yourself while you masturbate your pathetic intellect.
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AB, 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:02am

Getting more pathetic every day. This has now left the realm of humour and crossed into the realm of soap opera.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:14am

Re: Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
Nope, wasn't misdirected.
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Avatar28 (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:25am

Re: The heartless one has a point
Nice try, Carreon's wife. Nobody's going to fall for your trolling. Although I will say that if he wins you clearly need to give him anal (giving or receiving, doesn't matter) and not just a bj.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:31am

why..... thankyou !
Appreciated appreciation.... is ....appreciation appreciated !

People ALWAYS take a side and stick to it dominantly... that is the key, also a reason WHY facts that contradict the perceived narrative are somewhat unsettling.
No need to twist, imply, use fallacies etc.. aka(a gift from Internet creator, Al Gore)

I award you this LINK: How to troll a dating website (read the first image)
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Benjo (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:35am

Re:
Probably worth reading, even though it's quite depressing to witness such a complete lack of understanding of what is happening.

What is absolutely clear is how hypocritical his wife is while still making a very ineffectual argument.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:42am

Your butthurt makes me STRONGER... thankyou kind sir
Soon I will be Moar powerful than my father (Al Gore) maaawwwhhaaahhhaaa

EXTRA PRIZE: 100 internets
for using the word "peasant"

BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME:
"commoner" would have got you 9001 internets

Close but no cigar...keep on hitting me, the star prize has to go.
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:48am

elipsis misuse...a common horror worse than murder
You personal criticism of me, VOIDS your argument.

I will ignore your argument, until you can be civil.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 9:55am

Re: Re:
I've tried reading it, but my eyes got tired from staring at all of that red and some of what she wrote (is there ANYTHING that isn't by her, other than her copy/pasting everything?!) is complete nonsense. Though it was an interesting read overall. There are some good finds in there that could be used against the Carreons in the future... should an opportunity rises.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 10:01am

Re: elipsis misuse...a common horror worse than murder
Capitalization of WORDS in the MIDDLE of a sentence voids your arguments so I guess we are even.
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jeff, 3 Jul 2012 @ 10:09am

carreon quickmemes
http://www.quickmeme.com/Charles-Carreon/?upcoming
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Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 10:10am

WiNRAR_but why, i can not unsee things....WHY
The code words have been spoken....noooooooooo (game over)
Rule 34 has just been invoked.
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Suspicion (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 10:37am

I check this site every day hoping to read another Carreon story. I love this guy and hope he never stops. Please Mr. Carreon, continue to carry on - I look forward to starting my day with a good laugh!
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 11:14am

Re: And WHO jumped to wild conclusions ?
nobody's money was "taken". People donated and it was their choice to donate fully knowing where the money was going.

If funnyjunk had not asked for $20K and the charity campaign existed, my assumption is that less people would have donated. That doesn't matter. People felt good about donating because it allowed them to give to a good cause and at the same time say "Fuck Off" to funnyjunk for abusive legal practices.
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AB, 3 Jul 2012 @ 11:24am

Re:
After skimming through that I can see that Charles isn't the only one who needs serious psychiatric attention.
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usul_of_arakis (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 11:31am

Re:
Not any more apparently, just tried.
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Jack Furlong, 3 Jul 2012 @ 11:59am

Mr Carreon is doing what he's doing because he feels his reputation and livelihood is at stake. He seems to believe that if he does not maintain the perception of being a legal opponent to be feared, he will not be able to get the kind of high paying cases he prefers to work on.

It's obvious that he's repeating a tactic that has always worked for him in the past, and has no reason to assume the results won't be in his favor.

As for all of us changing his mind by mocking him... He appears to feel that anyone that disagreeing with him are rabble that should just be ignored.
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TaCktiX (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 12:12pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
Yes they are. This new-fangled internet thing is just the youth of America's way to stick it to their parents. Nobody mature or serious ever bothers to use the worthless pile of self-effacement that the internet obviously is. Right?
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GMacGuffin (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 12:15pm

Re:
It's obvious that he's repeating a tactic that has always worked for him in the past ...

... and like so many other stories on this site, in so many other contexts, he is sticking to an Old-School Model despite battling in a New World Playground. Square peg ... round hole. Adapt or die, Chuck.
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TaCktiX (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 12:15pm

Re:
No, it's moving at top speed, it's just managed to defy the laws of physics after careening off the tracks, plowing through several cornfields, and seemingly going airborne before nose-diving into a volcano.
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[citation needed or GTFO], 3 Jul 2012 @ 12:20pm

Re: Re: Wow...
Dammit, that's exactly what I meant to say. Shows how much I was paying attention.
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btr1701 (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 12:29pm

Re:
> I hope a copy of this is forwarded to
> the Judge in his pending case in CA. It
> appears he is more than willing to abuse
> the courts time in pursuing claims of
> questionable merit simply to attack people
> for having a bad opinion of him and his
> actions.

I was going to say that this letter is pretty clear evidence of his intent to use matters of venue and manipulate the statute of limitations for no other reason than to creat hardship on the defendant. A big ethical no-no for lawyers.

Most of the time it's hard to prove, but this genius just handed the evidence over to opposing counsel on a silver platter.
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Ian (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 12:57pm

In my area, if you send out a letter like that, you're cruising for both disbarment and damages to be awarded against him personally.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 1:45pm

Wow this guy is of the chart in childish. Watchout next thing you know he's gonna tell his mom on the internet. LOSER
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 2:15pm

Re: Re: Re:
I think you mean Woody Allen.
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Lurker Keith, 3 Jul 2012 @ 2:50pm

Re: Re:
Like I said, Carreon's trying to shoot off his other foot, while it's still in his mouth.

I just wanted to post that observation again...
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Greevar (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 2:51pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
What did you say whipper-snapper?! Get off my lawn!!
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That One Guy (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 2:58pm

To those with a legal background:
Please tell me that a letter like that is enough to at least get the people who rule on disbarment of lawyers to look into him.

That's not a civil legal notice, that's not even a threatening legal notice, that's a notice that he intends to do everything in his power to destroy someone's life unless they cave, and to abuse the legal system to do it.

I know the current legal system, and the whole 'equality of justice for all' idea is a joke these days, but really, I would hope an letter like this would be a bit too much for the legal system to swallow.
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TtfnJohn (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:10pm

A lawyer who reprsents...
Carreon is a walking, talking, typing example that a lawyer who has represents himself has a fool for a client.

Not only is he trying to dig to the other side of the planet he's forgetting to shore up the walls as he goes. Not only does he make empty legal threats to people who don't know the law he does the same to lawyers who know the applicable law better than he does.

No further proof is required.
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Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:28pm

Re: Re: Re:
No the entire forum is just her and Charles from what I could find. Fucking hilarious stuff in there though, worth putting up with the ugliness. I waded through a few different posts and there is pure comedic gold scattered everywhere. The one about Nader's handlers being fascist commies because the won't use her ramblings in his newsletter and moderate her facebook posts is great.
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Lurker Keith, 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:43pm

TRO update
http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/30/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-vii-charlie-the-censor-files-a-motion /

(see Forth Update)

Inman's lawyer responded to the Judge's request for proof that the money was sent to the Charities, by telling the judge he mailed them off himself.

The declaration [.pdf] It's only 1/2 a page (though, that system requires a cover & signature page, so there are 3 pages total)
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Get off my cyber-lawn! (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 3:48pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
HEY! I trademark/copyrighted/patented/registered/callednotakesbacksies the phrase "get off my lawn" as well as "get off my cyber lawn" and the always popular "why is this flaming paper bag on my porch"!

I'll sue!
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maclypse (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 4:18pm

Re: Just wow
Mmmm. Popcorn. We really should turn this into a proper tv show! We could call it "Carry on, Mr Carrion!", nailing half a dozen puns, jokes and references in the title alone. Only... Where will we ever find a talking buzzard? What's you feeling on sock puppets?
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Cory of PC (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 8:53pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Huh... well, I'm guessing that there were other posts on that site, but they were deleted and the only thing remains are hers and her husband's posts. Yeah, must be great to own your own forums and not let anyone try to defend themselves against a couple of crazies.
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Greevar (profile), 3 Jul 2012 @ 11:42pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If he bit off the bloggers ear ?
I invented trademark and assigned those phrases to myself, as well callednotakesbacksies and "why is this flaming paper bag on my porch?"

I also own the rights to "The Mexicans stole my teeth! They tore the roof up while I was sleeping and stole them. Can't you smell the sound of them laughing at me?"
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2012 @ 10:46am

Re: Re: Re: The heartless one has a point
Still not sure how Inman's being successful on his own merits (can you prove otherwise? I can't see it) has any bearing at all on this. The charity drive was a giant 'fuck you' on a baseless lawsuit. Giving other peoples' money to charity? That's kinda the point of a charity DRIVE.

As to your other points about 'link scamming history' and 'free manufactured publicity,' you do not address these points with any actual proof. It'd be great to see those citations, but without them you're asking people to believe you based on your word, alone.
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Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2012 @ 10:48am

Re: elipsis misuse...a common horror worse than murder
Translation: I can't really argue against you, so I'm going to use the tone of your response as the basis for not actually replying to points I don't want to try to refute.
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Some other AC, 5 Jul 2012 @ 11:48am

Re:
Clicked the link and got a "Content was not found" page.
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