Lord Finesse Learning How The Streisand Effect Works: Tons Of People Re-Upload Dan Bull's Video

from the calling-more-attention-to-it... dept

Mon, Jul 16th 2012 2:45pm — Mike Masnick

We've covered how Lord Finesse and his lawyers appear to be using copyright to stifle criticism of Finesse's lawsuit against Mac Miller, and how Dan Bull was speaking out against that kind of censorship. It's been quite clear that Finesse's main reason for issuing the takedown was to stifle the criticism, since tons of videos using the same beat remain online -- including Mac Miller's.

But, of course, as we've learned over the years, when you try to stifle free speech online, a funny thing happens. It seems that plenty of people aren't at all happy about Lord Finesse's attempt to silence Dan Bull, and they're re-uploading copies of the video by the dozen. At the time I'm writing this, there are well over 100 other copies of the video uploaded. Here's just a sampling of what the search results look like:

Might have been wiser to have just kept quiet about the damn thing. By taking it down, Finesse has now called a hell of a lot more attention to Dan Bull's rather important criticism of his actions.

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Filed Under: dan bull, fair dealing, fair use, lord finesse, mac miller, parody, streisand effect

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Hothmonster, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:03pm

and as long as those people don't have ads he is fine with it I am sure...
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:03pm

That's right. You should shame people into behaving the way you want them to behave. Good on ya.
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:Lobo Santo (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:06pm

Lord "Finesse"
Obviously somebody who doesn't really understand the meaning of Finesse after all.
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anon, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:10pm

LF
Please can we stop calling him Lord Finess and maybe shorten it to Finny or something, starting to really get annoyed that a prick like this is using his name to try to look important, while he is just one of the millions of rappers that use other peoples work to create something new.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:12pm

I always wonder if they just don't pay attention to the Streisand effect. Its pretty obvious that this would get even more attention.
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Baldaur Regis (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:14pm

Re:
*shrug* Beats the heck out of suing some kid for stealing music that you stole in the first place, doncha know.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:17pm

Re:
It is a sad world, when "counterfeit" for a chunk change ends up getting hit with a lawsuit. In most other businesses you see discretion since it is so overkill.
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Rikuo (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:20pm

I gotta ask though - Did all these people re-uploading the video know beforehand that the video was going to be taken down? Because...not many people actually download Youtube videos. They stream them, watch them then close their browser. To actually go to the trouble of downloading the video and saving it on your hard drive...it seems a bit odd that all these people would have done it for this one specific video.
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Leigh Beadon (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:23pm

Re:
You should shame people into behaving the way you want them to behave.

Yes. Exactly. That's a succinct (if pessimistically phrased) definition of human society itself.
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Leigh Beadon (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:25pm

Re:
Dan tweeted a Mediafire download link for the video file last week, after it was taken down from YouTube
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justok (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:28pm

Re: Lord "Finesse"
It's a type of shampoo...
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Rikuo (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:32pm

Re: Re:
Thanks.
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GMacGuffin (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:37pm

Re: Re:
One of the videos provided a dropbox link for downloading the vid as well: www.dropbox.com/sh/j9xrzqymurdbkzg/Qn1Im5BbFg#/
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Emil, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:42pm

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Only a single person need have done so to make it work, and since Dan Bull had a copy on his local machine, that's at least one. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a few fanbois out there who downloads all his videos. Hell, some people might even have predicted that this might get taken down and thus saved an offline copy.
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Jacob Blaustein, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:43pm

So when can we expect karma to fully kick "Lord" "Finesse" where the sun don't shine.
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OMG Whatever, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:47pm

Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
In order to avoid further lawsuits, including those dealing with alleged defamation I propose the said artist is to be called Lord Shampoo from now on.
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OMG Whatever, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:47pm

Re: LF
As I have said earlier:

In order to avoid further lawsuits, including those dealing with alleged defamation I propose the said artist is to be called Lord Shampoo from now on.
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btr1701, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:57pm

Carreon
Sounds like Finesse needs to hire Chuckie Carreon and his insane harpy of a wife.
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Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:58pm

Re: Lord "Finesse"
I've been thinking the same thing myself. Finesse like a bull in a china shop. Pun intended.
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MrWilson, 16 Jul 2012 @ 3:59pm

Re:
Because reasoning with these types of people works so well...?

What options are there really?

You could sue, if you have standing (or even if you don't...), if you have money and/or a lawyer and/or a law degree, thus costing your target, as well as taxpayers, a lot of money.

You could threaten to sue with the purpose of trying to shut them down and/or extorting a few thousand dollars from them.

You could track them down in the real world and use armed force, which will get you assault and menacing charges and a nice stay in a Federal 'Pound Me In The Ass' Prison.

Or, you know, public shaming on the internet where people can see your words and make their own minds about whether or not they want to also publicly shame or even cease supporting Lord Finesse's work if they are currently doing so - sounds like a good idea.
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Pixelation, 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:01pm

Re: LF
"Please can we stop calling him Lord Finess and maybe shorten it to Finny or something"

How about shorten it to "Less"?
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gorehound (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:01pm

Re: Lord "Finesse"
LOL !
Video has now gone Viral.
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Hephaestus (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:17pm

Re: Re:
"But, of course, as we've learned over the years, when you try to stifle free speech online, a funny thing happens."

I was wondering is that, "funny Ha Ha" or "Oh god we are seriously fucked" followed by uncontrollable laughing?
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Hephaestus (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:22pm

Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
How about Lord that is currently not called shampoo? We can even make up an imaginary pictograph. The pictograph I vote for is a single upraised finger.
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justok (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:27pm

Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
But, he's the real poo
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:39pm

Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
Xian Pu?
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Ben (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:39pm

Re: Re: Re:
I'd vote for the "Oh god we are seriously fucked" with or without the laughing.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 4:41pm

Re:
I download videos because I often rewatch ones I like and don't want to wait for it to stream

/did not reupload the Dan bull thing
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 5:19pm

What I have learned from this so far
1. Dan Bull is a great guy, stands up for what he believes.
2. Lord Finesse, in my opinion, is a jealous douche
3. Lords lawsuit resulted in me hearing about Mac Miller
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 5:30pm

Re: LF
Who the hell is this effing schmuck anyway? He's got a face like a sow's butt, only not as pretty - kind of a pigass face.

He looks like he probably couldn't even spell his own name if it was written in six-inch high block letters on a piece of paper in front of him. He's likely just another dumb stump in the endless line of dumb stumps that the MAFIAA pushers recruit to chew up and spit out and make a dishonest buck off. In other words: a loser - here today, gone tomorrow.

The takedown notice was filed a guy who claims to be his lawyer - his name and throwaway e-mail address are clear to see in Dan Bull's video. Maybe that's who you want to go after.
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 5:32pm

Re:
"That's right. You should sue people into behaving the way you want them to behave. Good on ya."

FTFY
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silverscarcat (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 5:43pm

Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
Woo Ai Ni?
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silverscarcat (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 5:44pm

Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
Hey now, come on...

Mythbusters proved that bulls don't do that in the china shop.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 6:01pm

Re: What I have learned from this so far
Lords lawsuit resulted in me hearing about Mac Miller, and Robert Hall Jr.

I still ain't interested in them mind.
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TDR, 16 Jul 2012 @ 6:21pm

All that remains now is to see if Lord Finesse goes for the Carreon Effect.
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Get off my cyber-lawn! (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 6:26pm

Who is this Lord Clueluess and why did the queen knight him?
So let me see if I got this...

Many years ago some artist wrote a song which included a beat so "dope" that this Lord Clueless just HAD to RIP IT OFF...er sample it. Now Dan Bull wrote a CLEARLY PROTECTED commentary on said work using the previously mentioned STOLEN IP PROPERTY...er beat and was threatened with a lawsuit (and beating with a spaghetti noodle I hear).

Dan, go over to Kickstarter or some other fan-funded website and start a legal defense fund. I'll contribute and I don't even listen to music! Then, if Lord Clueless sues you have have money. If he doesn't you can donate it to charity....if CARREON doesn't get after you first.
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Michael, 16 Jul 2012 @ 6:43pm

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Cache.
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JMT (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 6:54pm

Re:
You mean the way I'm shamed into not pirating the DVD I'm watching, and every other time I watch it, even though I bought or rented it legitimately?
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JMT (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 6:57pm

Re: Lord "Finesse"
Whatever you may think of rap, you have to admit rappers do tend to give themselves the stupidest stage names...
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 7:25pm

Re: Re:
So basically, Dan could have put himself in a lot of legal trouble by aiding the distribution of the video, after knowing it was taken down for copyright reasons?

Sounds like a very reasonable thing to do for a guy begging for attention.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 9:01pm

Re:
Don't worry, I'm sure if you keep yelling at reality and telling it to stop working in a way you don't like, it will change for you.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 9:03pm

Re: Re: Re:
It's a little sad that you've become desperate that this is all you have to fall back upon.
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orbitalinsertion (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 9:31pm

Re: Re: LF
This. This is how you do valid criticism.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 9:33pm

Re:
Well, I want people to behave morally. IP extremist(s) (shills), including yourself, have absolutely no regard for morality.

I agree that people shouldn't have to be shamed into behaving morally. Ideally, internal conviction should cause them to behave morally. Since you and other IP extremists have no regard for morality that doesn't work.

The legal system should not facilitate your immoral behavior. Since IP laws are immoral our legal system is also a failure.

So what's left? Public scrutiny. It shouldn't come to that but, unfortunately, it has.
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flores, 16 Jul 2012 @ 9:39pm

ol
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VMax, 16 Jul 2012 @ 9:59pm

Re: Who is this Lord Clueluess and why did the queen knight him?
I can't steal a song, I can't steal a thought. I can copy, but even then, it's not even a reproduction; it's my take one it. I can't rip the synapses from your brain and put them in mine. I can however take what I heard from you or understood from what you said and make something similar with my expression added. It's like a musical Jam session, everyone listens and takes what everyone else is doing and adds to it. No song/idea can be perfectly transferred to another person. We add, we grow. I'd say that's a good thing.
Sorry, but I get bent out of shape when people say stealing non-physical stuff.
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techflaws (profile), 16 Jul 2012 @ 10:09pm

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Because...not many people actually download Youtube videos.
Says who?
To actually go to the trouble of downloading the video
You mean like pasting the link into Jdownloader and chosing what quality to download?
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 10:36pm

Re:
You mean exactly how copyright lawyers for pornography studios do it? Shaming people into being linked to pornography to demand thousands of dollars?

If you think that is acceptable, why not this? Is Finesse's reputation being unreasonably threatened as a result of actions he did not do?
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jul 2012 @ 11:05pm

Re: Re: Re:
The claim for taking down the video was because they claimed Dan Bull was making money off it. By posting it to Mediafire where everyone can get it he's making it clear that he's not intending to make money off it through ad revenue.

Unless you'd like to state that Mediafire has ads, in which case, you should be going after Mediafire. Not that it somehow makes your point less bullshitty.
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PaulT (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 12:40am

Re: Re: Re:
"So basically, Dan could have put himself in a lot of legal trouble by aiding the distribution of the video, after knowing it was taken down for copyright reasons?"

Technically yes, I suppose. But considering that most people seem to not only agree that those "copyright reasons" were a bunch of crap designed to silence him, but are willing to put themselves in the same danger in support of him, he may not have been wrong to do so.

"Sounds like a very reasonable thing to do for a guy begging for attention."

Begging for attention... sounds like some other people I've encountered in recent years...
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Danny (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 2:16am

Re:
You realise of course that when you watch a youtube video that video is downloaded to your hard disk. It is the same for any content on the internet, that's how it works!

Its a simple operation to pull that file out of your cache and re upload. Obviously Dan uploaded it to a locker for people to download but that is not the only way to skin this cat!
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drew (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 2:38am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
Will the real Lord Poo please stand up?
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RadialSkid (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 4:16am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
I see what you did there.
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RadialSkid (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 4:23am

Re: Re: Re:
They're called principles. You should develop a few of your own.

And Dan Bull doesn't have to "beg" for attention. He's already gotten it.
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jul 2012 @ 4:31am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
That's great mighty poo to you peasant
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jul 2012 @ 4:33am

Re: Re: Who is this Lord Clueluess and why did the queen knight him?
Oh you could steal a song, you could take a CD from the your friend or a store. Or you could just make your own copy via the pirate bay and not steal anything at all.
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jul 2012 @ 4:34am

Re: ol
PWN THIS BITCH!
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jul 2012 @ 4:36am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lord "Finesse"
YOU I KILL!
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Tim K (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 5:28am

Re:
Lol, that's a form of punishment that society gives for not following the norms. That's how things work. If people aren't shamed or otherwise punished for doing something wrong they keep doing it. Glad you're starting to learn how we as a society work.
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Tim K (profile), 17 Jul 2012 @ 5:31am

Re: Re: Re:
The copyright takedown wasn't even valid. The reason he didn't fight it himself was because to do so would put his youtube account in jeopardy, not because he thought his content was illegal. So by using a different medium he allows his youtube channel to be safe, while still sharing his video
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jul 2012 @ 7:05am

When a song gets stuck in your head, is that infringement?
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jul 2012 @ 9:28am

Re: Re: Re: Who is this Lord Clueluess and why did the queen knight him?
A CD is not a song. Just as a glass bottle is not soda. The difference is that if I take your bottle and drink the soda, you can't have your soda back.
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Chargone (profile), 18 Jul 2012 @ 12:33am

Re: Re: Re:
depends on the camera angle.

top-down no-fog i'm going with 'both' :D
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Chargone (profile), 18 Jul 2012 @ 12:35am

Re: Re:
yes. the problem comes when the norms are problematic, mind you. then it quickly becomes bullying.
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fairusefriendly (profile), 19 Jul 2012 @ 9:33am

Re: Re: Re:
except lord censorship said he had no problem with the message if it didn't get posted on a channel that was making money from it.

So dan bull is basically giving lord censorship exactly what he wanted. Which in turn means that there is no infringement for THESE upload.
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