Honest Mistake: Order A TV From Amazon, Receive An Illegal Assault Rifle
from the might-have-been-a-mistake dept
With guns and violence in the news lately, you would think that everyone involved in the chain of the firearms business would be a teensy-weensy bit more careful, from manufacturers, to retailers, all the way up to those handling the shipping and distribution. As with any other business, you have to expect to deal with some human error, but one would imagine that the firearms industry would have the tightest of controls in place right now.As it turns out, such notions are exactly that: imagination. Or, at least that appears to be the case in the Wired story of a man from Washington D.C. who ordered a television on Amazon and was shipped a Sig Sauer 716 Patrol Rifle. For anyone keeping score at home, that's a military grade weapon. Seth Horvitz, the guy who is guilty of attempted TV-buying, is not a military grade citizen.
“When I saw some metal parts inside the box, I thought, ‘Maybe this is a TV stand or mount or something,’” Horvitz said in a phone interview with Wired. “When I realized it was an assault rifle, it was pure shock and disbelief.”The Wired interviewer chooses not to ask Horvitz if he attempted to point the weapon at his wall and pull the trigger to see if flat-panel televisions shot out, which is disappointing. In any case, Horvitz did the responsible thing and immediately called the D.C. police, who informed him that the weapon is illegal to own in the District of Columbia. There is no word yet on whether flat-panel displays are also illegal, but I'm guessing not.
The story then details how the mistake happened, which essentially appears to boil down to a lovely bit of insight into the shipping warehouses of UPS, in which the Label Fairy made a mistake and put two shipping labels (only one of which was correct) on the box-'o-death and allowed the box to be shipped anyway. Everyone from the guy who let it leave the warehouse to the guy who delivered the rifle to Horvitz's door apparently decided to play the new hit game "Shipping Address Coin Flip", resulting in Horvitz getting his new Rambo Halloween costume accessory. Amazon, predictably, disavowed any responsibility for the mistake, which it's looking like it has every right to do. On the other hand, when Horvitz tried to post a review of his purchase, Amazon blocked it. Admittedly, the review was hillarious, and guns and funny just don't mix:
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I'm not sure what pretending all this didn't happen accomplishes from Amazon's end, other than to perhaps flip open the cover to the Streisand Effect alarm, press it, and wait for the derision to ensue.
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I would have shut my mouth
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I mean, look, there's now a non-zero chance you could get an assault rifle. One trip to Tor later, you could be swimming in Bitcoins. And in the event that doesn't happen, you still have a TV.
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Not An Assault Rifle
The Sig 716 is a typical .308 Winchester (also known as 7.62x51 NATO) semi-automatic rifle, based off of the popular AR-10 platform.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire
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My question is, if this mix-up happened with the shipper, what happened to the TV?
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2) What do you mean "military-grade weapon?" What makes it "military-grade?" The fact that it doesn't fall apart when you fire it?
If you were going for overblown sensationalism here, you really nailed it. So long, techdirt.
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Any other meaningless quips?
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Um, no, I mean that the manufacturer refers to it as Mil-spec and Mil-STD throughout its description and specs.
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sig716-patrol-rifle.aspx
Wow, you gun folks take such minor things seriously. You did note, I hope, that at no point did I take a position for or against gun ownership here?
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On the other hand, given that I didn't take a pro or anti gun stance in this article, sounds like a bunch of butthurt over nothing....
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I hate to be the one to point this out...
but the rest of the story (and the version i saw on boing boing two days ago) make it pretty obvious that this was a garden variety shipping mix up, and that is was UPS's fault. GUn was supposed to be headed to Penn, where it would have been perfectly legal.
so yeah, the lead in felt like you had an agenda that you were trying to push at the expense of the story.
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Did anyone else think...
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life imitates art imitating dada
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Wow, really!?!?! I went out of my way to say mention only that everyone involved in the process would have been thought to be even more vigilant than they already were. Christ, I can't see how the lead in blames gun owners at all?
And, by the way, I should mention that I'm a 2nd amendment supporter as well. Well, actually, I can't believe that I have to mention that since this piece was written to be a-political....
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Aside from perpetuating the FUD, that is.
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it's like "theft" vs. "infringement"
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What a sweet gun, I would have kept it. As has been pointed out already this was NOT a military grade weapon in any sense of the word, just a sandard semi-auto ar15.
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In AZ you could buy one from your buddy without even a background check. And it doesn't even go full auto.
Though this story is pretty funny, I'm tired of hearing every black weapon referred to as an 'assault'-something or a 'military'-something.
People who around guns get irritated at references like this because they're tired of people who know nothing about firearms responding emotionally to stupid.
Not that I mean to suggest that the weapon isn't suitable for some sort of military use. It quite possibly is.
But so are many hunting rifles. Even excluding the bubba guns.
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Then why does the gun manufacturer refer to it as Mil-Spec?
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Though I have to wonder how this happened... Amazon prints its own packages labels, at least where I worked. Best I can figure, someone down the line damaged the label to the point a new one needed to be placed by UPS (for sorting machines to scan at each stop), and the person responsible slapped it on the wrong case.
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As for the "military-grade" part, just some info for anyone who might be curious why that might matter to non-crazy people purchasing firearms: if I'm going to drop $1000+ for a gun, I want to be sure that it is high quality and will last (especially when I'm bad about keeping it clean). The fact that something meets the standards of the military and may even be pretty much the same firearm our men and women trust their lives with every day speaks a lot to the quality of the gun. Arguments about *actual* quality and reliability of said weapons are a matter for discussion somewhere other than TechDirt. :P
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Concealed Flat Panel Permit?
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Then, as Tim noted above, maybe the manufacturers should stop doing it.
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I'm not sure what more there is to be said about it at this point....
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and Mil-STD is referring to the railings, which are used to attach accessories like scopes and dot sites.
It doesn't have to do with the gun itself, just a few select aspects, having little to do with whether its a military rifle or not.
Also, to the other gun rights people on this blog, please, if you want to make a point, at least try to be calm, rational, and informative.
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Unfortunately, many of my compatriots get fired up enough about this stuff that they jump immediately to the "hey douchenozzle, get your facts straight you idiot!" phase and skip the "oh hey, you might not know this, and I just want to make sure you have all the facts" phase. Its understandable (again, that cNet headline was just too intentionally ignorant and incendiary) but regrettable. Just as with the IP law debates, I think we'd all be better off if all sides approached things in a more polite, respectful, logic, and truthful manner.
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Count me among them. Today, at least. It's easy enough to overreact when I see it so often done on purpose, I guess.
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*Bonus points for including a scope the size of a Pringles can picked up for $90 bucks on eBay*
**Triple score if it also is shot in a bedroom with a sports motif bedspread or wallpaper*
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You just reworded someone else's almost-fact-free article and dumped it here. What were you expecting? A "mil-spec" commendation and lauding in the comments?
About Mil-Spec.. I won't bore you with the details about the difference between a mil-spec AR15 clone and a weapon that is intended and ready for use in the armed services since you clearly don't give a shit about the actual subject, you're just trying to cash in on the publicity surrounding it.
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Really? That all you got?
The troll quality is really really poor since SOPA died.
boB! Show this amateur how its done please.
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You, sir, are a master of the art of being opportunistically offended. I commend you.
Meh.
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Flat Panel TV Kit
Step 1: get rifle
Step 2: find someone with a tv
and so on until you have a flat panel tv on your wall.
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"Instead of office chair, package contained bobcat."
"Would not buy again."
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Man Orders TV Through Amazon, Gets Assault Rifle.
So to blame Tim for not knowing is asinine. Not everyone has in depth knowledge of firearms.
Just because it is not fully automatic and switchable has nothing to do with the average Joe's perception. It looks like a duck.
Either its semantics so you can be an ass toward Tim.
2 outta 10.
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This right here is what's known as arguing from a specific case to the general case aka a hasty generalization.
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"Fuck you and your definition of journalistic integrity; I'm doing things my way."
Glad we could clear that up.
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If your definition of journalistic integrity does allow for such things, I regret to inform you that you have none. Though this is becoming painfully obvious anyway.
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If your definition of journalistic integrity does allow for such things, I regret to inform you that you have none. Though this is becoming painfully obvious anyway.
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If your definition of journalistic integrity does allow for such things, I regret to inform you that you have none. Though this is becoming painfully obvious anyway.
But let's not let silly things like "facts" and "accuracy" get in the way of sensationalism.
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That's why I was talking about his "military-something" comment. Good try though.
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Because ya know, they NEVER update articles when corrected. /s
Who the fuck cares except gun nuts? I have quite a few myself.
To my fellow TD community. An assault rifle is classified by having 5 distinctive features:
1) Must be able to be fired from the shoulder
2) Must have the ability to switch from fully automatic to semi
3) It has more power than a handgun but less than a standard rifle.
4) Its ammo must come from a magazine that is removable
5) Should have a range of 1000 ft.
There asshole see how easy that was?
It is mean and scary and can kill a hole bunch of shit quickly.
Semantics.
Silly gun nut.
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Also, to the author: this is not a "military grade" weapon because it is not select-fire. It is functionally equivalent to your apocryphal father's deer rifle.
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But DH, EVERY single gun manufacturer touts theirs as being "mil spec." Whomever is making an issue of that is blowing that terminology use way out of proportion.
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This story doesn't belong here. Amazon did nothing wrong. Perhaps they could have posted an addendum to the review but it was not Amazon's problem.
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I'm just guessing here, but I assume that something is "military grade" when it is built to whatever specifications the military has set.
I don't know guns, but I know integrated circuits, and you can buy "military grade" ICs, meaning just that. As it happens, military grade ICs are hardier, have a wider acceptable temperature range and can withstand rough handling (vibration & impact) a lot better. They also cost 2-3 times more than consumer grade.
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Assault TV
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Personally, I'm ambivalent about gun ownership in general, but I admit to getting nervous about these particular people being in possession of them.
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Whaaa? Where's the FUD? I don't see anything in the article that generates fear, uncertainty, or doubt about anything except, perhaps, UPS's ability to correctly track packages.
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As if that's a surprise to anyone.
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OTOH, one would think that the block would have happened almost immediately if that were the case.
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Hey! I see how that works now - I might try that a little more in future.
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I think that's why the picture shows him holding up the receipt with the wrong address and the fact the gun was still in it's packaging.
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/tv-amazon-assault-rifle/
http://www.myfoxdc.com/st ory/19221052/dc-man-orders-television-online-receives-rifle-instead
So beating up on the author for "sensationalism" here is unjustified.
While we're flagging everyone's mistakes, however, this was fulfilled by a third party e-commerce vendor, so Amazon never took title of the object. Blaming Amazon is worse than blaming the Postal Service for what you get in the mail, because at least your mailman handles the letter.
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I hate everyone who is not Mike that posts here.
"box-'o-death"
Could he be any more bias?
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He had not license. The designated law enforcement authorities said it was illegal. It was a rifle. "Illegal rifle" is not FUD. Those are facts. "Assault" might have been FUD, but then you should be vomiting all over the comments sections of all the other media who called it an assault rifle too.
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Do you see that inaccurately referring to the weapon as an assault rifle is about as relevant to the subject of the story as if he'd incorrectly described it as black when it's actually gray? The point of the story isn't that the Sig Sauer 716 is an assault rifle. The point is it was supposed to be a TV.
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Seth's review was NOT censored by Amazon. It was rejected before it was even posted. No one at Amazon ever read his review. Therefore there was no deliberate attempt to hide it. It was automatically flagged and rejected for containing a URL.
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Here is my chance to be polite and respectful:
I want to add that anything sold as military grade is simply that. ASUS makes a motherboard that is military spec/grade. The fact that a weapon is military grade as Other Jason clearly stated. The fact that it is military standards are accepted in this weapon is quite amazing it's availible at all for sale in my eyes (I'm from rural Central Ohio). To me it makes no difference in wording or terminology to me, that debate is for the trolls.
My only real thoughts to this WHOLE situation is that I'm thanking God this weapon did not arrive in the hands of a psycho.
As I mentioned before, I avidly use Amazon. I have never had any incident unless it was UPS's or the seller's fault. I think that this is the single biggest gaffe in UPS shipping I have ever seen. Furthermore, UPS has not yet commented on the error. I hope that UPS is at least reprimanded and if found ultimately responsible for the misshap, will own up to it and investigate the matter thoroughly.
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In all, I thought it was well reported.
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Article:
Guy orders TV off of Amazon.
Guy gets small package with his address and the gun maker's address on TWO different labels.
Guy innocently assembles object inside thinking its a wall mount which turns out to be a gun. An illegal one where he lives.
Guy does right thing and calls police to get it taken away with no harm no fowl.
Majority of Comments
1. Differences in terminology used in article by Dark Helmut.
2. What constitutes illegal and legal gun ownership.
3. Trolls being nitpicky about the article.
Can anyone tell me what a large majority of us missed here (including me even)?
Now you see the real issue, please shut up.
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Actually, instead of acting like an asshole, why don't you contribute something useful and bore us with exactly those details, because some of us do give a shit about the facts and would much rather have an informed debate.
Personally I doubt there's as much difference between a mil-spec AR15 clone and a weapon that is intended and ready for use in the armed services as you imply, beyond the lack of full-auto capability, so here's your chance to educate us all.
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Don't get you panties in a twist when you harp about using the correct term.
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I only find it sad that the receiver did not keep his mouth shut when no one would have known he received it. He could then have sold this rifle on to someone who could lawfully use it for up to $1500. As his lost TV only cost $300 then he would have been $1200 richer.
Still I doubt that would be lawful when while you can lawfully keep items sellers send you by mistake, clearly in this case this package was addressed to another, and it only ended up at his address due to a courier mistake. So in the end he did do the lawfully correct thing even if he missed that $1200 profit.
I can only wonder if this rifle will ever arrive at the correct address when the Police want this store owner to travel across half the country to collect it. They should ideally have slapped around UPS for losing two packages and to have them fix it.
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And of course Amazon had to suppress his comment, he's a terrorist after all, ordering assault rifles and all that.
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A lot of right things to do were done.
Police arrives, does not charge the one who called.
Receiver is dissatisfied with the product, and posts a negative review.
Amazon does not allow links in reviews, so does not post it.
The fuck-up is at UPS, in essence, they should be charged for "tampering with the post" because it is an awesome charge (yeah, of course, criminal negligence or illegal carrying could be charged, but "tampering with the post" is more accurate and sounds better).
For the most part, the correct procedures were followed, and the results thus are not very bad.
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State Department: Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes. "Fisson bomb" has a very specific definition, one quality of which is that the weapon uses nuclear fission. "Atomic bomb" is a bullshit made-up term, that anti-nukers and commie librul atheist OWS hipsters created in order to confuse the public and conflate regular, fission bombs with true, military-grade fusion bombs. And it worked. The analogy to "IP theft" and "copyright infringement" is 100% on the mark.
Also, to the author: this is not a "military grade" weapon because it is not fusionable. It is functionally equivalent to your historical government's Hiroshima-grade bomb.
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Do you find it sad when people don't cheat on their taxes even though they could get away with it?
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Is that a UK crime? I'm thinking so since we don't call it "the post" in the US, we call it "the mail". At any rate, UPS is a private delivery company, so they could not be charged with any crime for messing up their delivery services (unless there is some gun-specific law they violated).
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I see, so you completely missed the point of the story. Despite having it explained repeatedly.
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Like the first comment said, you're probably better off keeping it and saying nothing, or simply shipping it back (at their expense) or reselling it.
Or, make sure you are not at the premises while the weapon is being confiscated and ensure you have live cameras streaming over the Internet for all to see in the event the police come and wreck your house (with uninterrupted power supplies in case they cut the power? But what if they cut the Internet? It's not beyond our corrupt police force to confiscate or destroy any footage you store on site. Maybe a wifi-signal to your neighbors, assuming you have a good relationship with them?). It's unbelievable that, if this were in the U.S., we would have to take all this nonsense into account.
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"Do you want any bombs to go with that rifle?"
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I am with the sensible - If I got that, well, I would have first hit Google to make sure it was not something cheap, and then kept it. In fact, I shot television out of my life after 9/11, the lies surrounding that story DID IT FOR ME.
So yeah, I'd rather have the gun.
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Wake up morons
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"Your lead in makes it sound like this was a screw up by the gunseller* somewhere."
"Christ, I can't see how the lead in blames gun owners* at all?"
*words count. lol
Out of their hands once shipped.
Firearms would have to be hand delivered from factory for them to tighten control.
You have to admit though, the side view of the tv looks like it could be an assault weapon!
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Did you read some other article? Because I didn't see anyone mentioning buying firearms on Amazon.
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Did you even read the article? NO.
Did you see that it had a UPS SHIPPING LABEL for the gun with the return address from gun shop from Pennsylvania?? NO.
Did you see the report was talking about how dangerous the situation is that UPS fucked up the the shipping? NO.
Did you assume that this article was political instead of reading the subject header? YES.
Are you a big huge idiot who has no basis for your opinion? HELL YES.
Does this make you a devient troll? NO. But you did fail to grasp certain concepts of reading and comprehensive study pertains to the article.
There was no real need to explode or rant like that so maybe it's wrong of me to assume you're NOT a troll.
That folks is the danger of assumption.
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