London Police To Set Up Special Copyright Crime Police Force
from the hollywood-gets-its-local-police-force-in-london dept
It's really amazing how various governments around the globe fall sway to the bogus Hollywood talking points about how much copyright infringement is "harming" their business. Rather than recognizing that the situation is one where Hollywood's failure to adapt a modern business model is the biggest issue, or that (at best) this should be a civil issue, law enforcement groups have had no problem doing Hollywood's work for them. The latest? The City of London police are setting up their own "intellectual property crime unit" to deal with copyright infringement -- specifically looking to go after dowloaders. In other words, something straight out of Cory Doctorow's Pirate Cinema book, which happens to be our book club book this month.The effort is being led by business secretary Vince Cable, who has sounded more reasonable on the subject in the past. But now he's setting up a private police force for Hollywood right inside the London police? And, even worse, he's pretending that this somehow encourages more creativity?
"Our creativity, our openness to and talent for innovation, is a key pillar of our return to robust growth. So it is right we work to create the environment in which creative, innovative businesses of all shapes and sizes flourish," Cable said in a speech at The Big Innovation Centre in London.Openness to talent and innovation isn't spurred along by giving one industry the ability to use the police to stop people from making mashups and being creative. It does the opposite. It creates fear among creative types and drives them further underground, rather than helping to add to creativity and culture. This seems like a big step backward for a group that had promised to take a more evidence-based approach to copyright reform.
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Till a filthy huge sum of money was shoved up his arse to change his mind.
In any case I foresee they'll be astonished at the rapid increase of jail population in London after they set up this shit. Either that or VPN usage will skyrocket.
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target .... 1000 copies of article sent
Copy of an article. (prepared for copying)
http://pastehtml.com/view/cm3uztnr6.html
cablev@parliament.uk
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Here here! Artists are people too...
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Queen Phara called from the prison laundry; She disagrees.
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Were the police or FBI involved in her case? No.
Her case was handled through the civil justice system, not the criminal justice system.
Infringement = civil offense
Theft = criminal offense
Infringement =/= Theft
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You mean like prison time instead of boiling oil?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/opinion/sunday/california-horror-stories-and-the-3-strikes-law.htm l
And the people with the horrible judgements all decided that they wanted to stand up against what are really clearly written laws that have been enforced for decades.
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Wake me up when they hit the 21st century and start with their classified interpretations and secret courts...
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Copyright infringement is simply making an illegal copy without the copyright holder's consent.
If you're going to throw out phrases such as 'grade school rules', you shouldn't make such an elementary mistake.
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Citing your sources won't help you avoid a derivative works suit. If anything, they will give the relevant robber baron a map and a flashlight.
Avoiding the academic definition of plagarism also won't insulate you from being accused of creating a derivative work.
Your notion of copyright law is missing a few bits.
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And if I were to call the cops, it'll be to get rid of people like you. Thanks...
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But I have rent to pay and medical insurance to buy. There are projects that can only be accomplished when artists are paid well enough to be able to devote themselves full time. A good way to fund this is to split up the costs among the consumers, something that copyright does reasonably well.
If free is the only option, only the rich will be able to devote themselves to art. Are you one of those 1%?
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And HA! I got a ton of projects myself and I don't need money to get those done? Why? Because frankly, why should I be paid to sell out my stuff when I can create my stuff when I want without anyone giving me a schedule to work with and how they want my product to be? I do like money, but I don't necessary need it for my projects because they can be done for free. I can write for free and I can draw for free. You're offering up your services for $100 and I haven't seen a single thing outta you.
You're funny. Really, you are. I haven't made a single cent yet in my trade, and I consider myself devoted to the arts more than you are.
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I don't see why you're so hurt in any way, why can't you work your fans? is that so hard?
Why try to stop copying?
To copy something people actually need to do all the work and come up with all the resources necessary to make it happen, why should you get paid?
What would you say to a person that knocks on your door with a blueprint and says he owns the blueprints and you have to pay him for having build his home?
I would politely say "f. off"
Now that people say that to you, you don't understand? and claim ignorance? that is a bit disingenuous isn't it BOB!
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More advanced countries also give a better balance between welfare moochers (i.e. content 'creators' and especially their gatekeepers) and the public beneficiaries.
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Oh, wait. You're serious.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah, no. It's not tangible and it's not exclusive. So it's not property.
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In my book anything that is unlawfully obtained is theft.
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So when I download a movie off of a torrent against the copyright holder's permission, and against copyright law, it's theft?
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"So when I download a movie off of a torrent against the copyright holder's permission, and against copyright law, it's theft?"
No, because downloading a movie off of a torrent isn't unlawfully obtaining something. It's (usually) redistributing something without permission, which is sometimes unlawful and wrong but has nothing to do with theft.
And you'd better believe content creators want you to understand this. Don't listen to the trolls here.
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So, the seizing of the Megaupload servers represents theft because tangible objects were taken in violation of the law, causing tangible costs and losses, and some of the data on those servers represented the only copy in existence. You can't steal something if the owner still has the original copy, but the data was stolen in cases where it was removed illegally without another copy left in the hands of its owners.
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http://torrentfreak.com/fbi-did-not-steal-megaupload-evidence-because-its-digital-120607/
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I am an Artist and I do not Support this or the MAFIAA in any way.
I am one of the oldest punks in Maine and have been playing in Bands since 1972 when I was 16.
Look up Big Meat Hammer or The Lynn Rebels which are two of the present day bands I do.
Anyone is welcome to my music for free.Pay me if you got money.
Fuck The MAFIAA !
Jordan Kratz...........BMH and Lynn Rebels both agree with this.
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It always ends the same though, with the monopoly destroyed.
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I agree, Bob, but much of the time they're talking about creating radical new protections that other property owners DON'T have.
It is unclear from the Guardian article exactly who the police plan to "go after" and how. Downloading without permission is legal. We all did it just now. So "illegal downloading" can't actually be the target.
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"talking points" more effective than I thought.
Here I thought it was money and influence.
BTW: yet another example of how "copyright" is evolving. Whatever your notions of what's right, you need to recognize what's happening: The Rich are buying "laws", and now getting tax-payer funded special police. Overarching lesson to learn is that The Rich don't play fair, complete myth.
Is anyone here really certain that Mike "Streisand Effect" Masnick...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Doesn't get a little thrill every time I post this link?
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And no. Why should he care about that link? It's more or less annoying than... whatever you're thinking about.
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Encouraging creativiny and innovation
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To do this we will stamp on anyone who tries to build on existing works.
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One question
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Tort reform for the rich, crime and punishment for the poor.
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I stored all my legally-backed-up copies of my files, including music from Jamendo that was fully CC-licensed and free.
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Why fight when you can just ignore the law?
Specially an immoral, useless monopoly law?
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I have nothing more to say to you.
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it'll cement the landscape for growth all right
Am I the only one who gets a mental image of a couple of big decrepit old trees surrounded my acres and acres of fresh concrete? Is it possible that Mr. Cable has the same thought, at least subconsciously?
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That's the most insane part of all this: the vast majority of these entitled rat-bastards is that they're trying to skim off of everyone, including the actual creators.
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Millions of us out here want to see that whole Industry Wikileaked to the World !
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc
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Minor correction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Police
In short, they'll be the police force who will be tasked with arresting City bankers illegally downloading porn
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..Which sounds way more rational in my other voice.
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All it takes a nice, brown envelope or two..
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None of this helps
www.voltagepictures.com
Will I ever watch any off their movies? None of your business and I don't know. But I will never pay for them. That is for sure, and that's the golden snitch.
If the London police help me expand my list, well, that's their business, I guess.
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Money in who's pocket?
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